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Posted by: the_dunner Dec 9 2005, 04:28 PM
In the interests of keeping SR4 campaign information separate from SR3, I've spun off a new thread.
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| How is this 4.0 handoff going to work? Is it a straight 400 point build? |
Yes, it's a straight 400 point build. Once the character is constructed, players may then spend Karma earned in SR3 Missions adventures to advance their SR4 character.
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| What happens to the Runner's equipment, both mundane and magical? What happens to certed equipment? Will new contact certs be issued with updated stats? |
- It's Gone, re-purchase it when building the SR4 character if you still want it.
- It's Gone, there are significant changes in campaign focus between SR3 and SR4.
- No. For reasons that will be revealed soon, certed contacts will not carry over.
Posted by: BishopMcQ Dec 31 2005, 05:31 PM
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Posted by: Jaid Dec 31 2005, 05:34 PM
or just be a SINner. although i expect that to cause other problems of it's own...
Posted by: BishopMcQ Jan 2 2006, 03:12 AM
I would say that the ability for law enforcement personnel to track all of your movements and activities would eventually cause problems for a career criminal, yes.
Fake SINs are nice in that they are exactly that, FAKE. If people get close, you throw them away and get a new one.
Posted by: Corporate Raider Jan 3 2006, 01:07 AM
In the interests of clarity, a list of what is considered to be skill modifications vs. skill bonuses would be nice. Per SR4 pg. 109, the character's base skill cannot exceed 6, and the character's modified skill rating cannot exceed the base skill x 1.5 (rounding fractions down). Bonus dice, however, can cause the dice rolled to exceed the attribute + the modified skill rating. Here's all the modifiers/bonus dice I can think of:
Modifiers to base skill (ie. cannot improve skill beyond base skill x 1.5)
-Improve Ability power of adepts
-reflex recorder bioware
Bonus dice (no limit to additional dice)
-skill specializations
-all foci except power foci
-Kinesics power of adepts
-all positive modifiers in the ranged combat modifiers table on pg. 140 (laser sight, smart link, aim actions, etc.)
-all positive modifiers in the melee modifiers table on pg. 148 (reach, friends in melee, etc.)
-mnemonic enhancer
-medkits
-vision enhancement
-audio enhancement
-spatial recognizer
Does this look right? I'll come back and edit the list if anyone finds any errors or omissions.
A similar list of attribute increasing powers/spells/cyber would be useful as well.
Posted by: the_dunner Jan 3 2006, 01:19 AM
EDITED:
Errata v1.3 revises the text on p109 to clarify how this works.
Posted by: Corporate Raider Jan 30 2006, 07:37 PM
For programs that are purchased during character creation, do we start the game with the copy protection already defeated, or will we have to go through a few dozen Logic + Software Tests (per SR4 pg. 228, Source Code and Piracy) after our first game to duplicate these programs?
Posted by: the_dunner Jan 30 2006, 07:44 PM
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| For programs that are purchased during character creation, do we start the game with the copy protection already defeated, or will we have to go through a few dozen Logic + Software Tests (per SR4 pg. 228, Source Code and Piracy) after our first game to duplicate these programs? |
Since, depending upon the threshold and the PC's skills, they can fail this test (and with enough botches effectively erase the software) , I'd rule that they are copy-protected at start. However, if a GM is particularly benevolent, players may have the option to discuss it with their GMs directly.
Posted by: linei Feb 17 2006, 04:28 PM
Question from one of my players:
Will the karma gained by rollover from SR3 count into the total karma - used for street cred values - for the new character?
Posted by: the_dunner Feb 17 2006, 05:45 PM
| QUOTE (linei) |
| Will the karma gained by rollover from SR3 count into the total karma - used for street cred values - for the new character? |
Absolutely.
Posted by: stevebugge Feb 24 2006, 03:06 AM
Are the rules regarding the design of new or unique traditions on pages 169 & 170 useable within the scope of Missions?
Posted by: the_dunner Feb 24 2006, 03:22 AM
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| Are the rules regarding the design of new or unique traditions on pages 169 & 170 useable within the scope of Missions? |
I'd prefer not to do that. I'd encourage players who want to play another tradition to wait for Street Magic (which should include some new traditions).
If you absolutely positively have to do a non-standard tradition, then you'll have to take it up with your GM. The problem is that this is open to a bit of abuse in optimizing resistance stats and choosing spirit combinations.
Posted by: Lividicus Mar 24 2006, 03:17 PM
so the qualities are now being used in missions?
Posted by: the_dunner Mar 24 2006, 03:34 PM
| QUOTE (Lividicus) |
| so the qualities are now being used in missions? |
As qualities are a core part of SR4 character creation, they are used in the SR4 Missions campaign. Without qualities, it wouldn't be possible to play a magician, adept, or technomancer.
Posted by: Regnad Kcin Apr 25 2006, 07:49 PM
I've been asked by one of my players if Karma carried over from SRM3 can be used to Initiate.
So? Can it?
As a general question, are there any restrictions placed on the carrover Karma?
Thanks.
-Greg G
Commando #106
Posted by: linei Apr 25 2006, 08:09 PM
| QUOTE (Regnad Kcin) |
| I've been asked by one of my players if Karma carried over from SRM3 can be used to Initiate. |
Carry-over karma is simply added into the karma of the new character. If the character wants to initiate, why not?
| QUOTE (Regnad Kcin) |
As a general question, are there any restrictions placed on the carrover Karma? |
As far as I know: none.
Posted by: the_dunner Apr 25 2006, 08:50 PM
As linei indicated, there are no restrictions at all regarding how rollover karma may be spent. There is one thing to remember though -- all of that karma WILL apply when calculating Table Rating for SR4 Missions.
Posted by: matblack Aug 18 2006, 04:23 PM
okay, so it is stated that SRM characters who become addicted to a substance (or BTLs, etc.) are removed from play at that time.
does this mean that the Addiction negative quality may not be taken at character generation?
if so, does that further mean that the premade characters in the SR4 book who have the Addiction negative quality (Combat Mage, etc.) cannot be chosen for a "quick-play" character?
Posted by: the_dunner Aug 18 2006, 04:27 PM
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| it is stated that SRM characters who become addicted to a substance (or BTLs, etc.) are removed from play at that time. |
I should clarify that on the web site. A mild addiction is certainly acceptable. It's when a PC gets to the latter stages of addiction and it needs to be a central focus of the adventure that it's an issue.
So, a mild to moderate addiction is perfectly acceptable as a PC flaw.
Posted by: Black Jack Rackham Aug 22 2006, 03:28 PM
While not a 'how-to' question, more of a 'how-many-of' I think this belongs here. Is there a limit to the number of characters (i.e. more than one) that you play SRM with?
Was just thinking that it might be nice, when I sit down to play and the rest of the characters are all sammys, that I can play my rigger/ decker/ technomancer/ mage/ whatever instead.
Posted by: the_dunner Aug 22 2006, 03:50 PM
You're welcome to play as many different characters as you'd like. Just, please be careful to keep each of their debriefing logs, karma awards, etc. separate.
Posted by: matblack Aug 24 2006, 12:51 AM
this is more of a general sr4 creation question.
is it possible to buy a skill group up to a certain level, then advance individual skills inside of that group (and also take a specialty in one of the individually advanced skills)? and if so, is this allowable during character creation, when using karma, or both? i couldn't find a specific ruling either way, and while it seems intuitive that this is indeed possible, some of the wording in the skills section makes me think that it might not work that way.
-mat
Posted by: the_dunner Aug 24 2006, 03:52 AM
You cannot advance a skill group separately at character creation, but that is certainly possible to do when spending Karma. See the top of the 2nd column on p.264 of SR4 for the complete rules.
Posted by: Casazil Aug 24 2006, 05:35 AM
Well just to cover all bases is there a page in the rules that says you can't advance an individual skill after buying a skill group up to a certain point during creation?
Or is this just a rule for SRM's?
Posted by: the_dunner Aug 24 2006, 11:56 AM
It's not explicitly stated that you cannot do that, but that was the design intent. Note on page 106 and 264 the comments about splitting the group explicitly refer to advancing after play.
Posted by: matblack Aug 24 2006, 04:47 PM
| QUOTE (the_dunner) |
| You cannot advance a skill group separately at character creation, but that is certainly possible to do when spending Karma. See the top of the 2nd column on p.264 of SR4 for the complete rules. |
thanks, john.
i can't believe i missed the section that specifically addressed my question.
Posted by: Casazil Aug 24 2006, 06:09 PM
Speaking of skill groups here is a question say I wanna play a rigger.
I can take a skill group for all the mechanic skills but not for all the pilot skills that seems off a bit.
Yes I know there are quite a few pilot skills but say ground, water, air, & anthro as a skill group?
Just a thought.
Posted by: the_dunner Aug 24 2006, 09:31 PM
Sorry, but adding another skill group would exceed the scope of changes which I'm willing to make for Missions.
Posted by: Crakkerjakk Jan 24 2007, 11:36 PM
Rigger's best friend is skill wires, IMHO.
First Post!
Posted by: Casazil Nov 5 2007, 09:59 AM
As we now have new books available I have new and old players asking questions as to what's useable for Shadowrun Missions most of which you have covered.
But I have a question we have cyberware and bioware cyber is cyber bio is bio which you have covered.
If you get 2 points bio and 1.9 points cyber the cyber is halved flip it around and the bio would get halved it all goes off of the rule of which ever is gerater again which you have covered.
So now we come to the shiny new book Augmentation which has genetic and transgenetic modifications and nanite modifications.
As I understand it gene stuff is considered bio when doing the math for essance and nano is cyber when doing the math for essance is this correct?
Also are gene and/or nano subject to the rules of grades I.E. normal second hand alpha beta delta?
Just some thoughts.
Posted by: Fortune Nov 5 2007, 10:14 AM
Not an official Missions Dudeâ„¢, but the canon rules are ...
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| As I understand it gene stuff is considered bio when doing the math for essance and nano is cyber when doing the math for essance is this correct? |
Yep. Note that it's only the nano-cyberware actually costs Essence, not the nanites themselves.
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| Also are gene and/or nano subject to the rules of grades I.E. normal second hand alpha beta delta? |
Geneware is never subject to Grades, and cannot be acquired 'used', which is technically not a Grade. Nano-cyberware (but not nanites themselves) fall under the normal Grade system though.
Posted by: paws2sky Mar 10 2008, 02:05 PM
Is there a current FAQ for people wanting to build SRM characters?
Posted by: DireRadiant Mar 10 2008, 02:59 PM
No FAQ per se.
Standard build rules, almost all the released material is allowed, read this thread for some answers to some questions.
http://shadowrun4.com/missions/index.shtml
Posted by: the_dunner Mar 11 2008, 02:13 PM
Well, there is the http://shadowrun4.com/missions/srm_faq.shtml 
Posted by: Casazil Mar 21 2008, 06:19 PM
Ok so we have errata for Street Magic and I saw this:
“Adept Initiation. Groups may consider allowing adepts
to gain 1 Power Point instead of a Metamagic at Initiation.�
So is this going to be allowed in SRM's?
I ask cause I know I'll be asked at the next event I run more than likely.
Posted by: the_dunner Mar 21 2008, 06:54 PM
to gain 1 Power Point instead of a Metamagic at Initiation.�
So is this going to be allowed in SRM's?
That's a note under the "Tweaking the Rules" section. SRM does not use that section.
Posted by: Casazil Apr 3 2008, 07:11 AM
Ok with the new news just released I have to ask.................. Are we allowed to make dragons as PC's for Shadowrun Missions?
Posted by: Cadmus Apr 3 2008, 07:35 AM
what new news?
Posted by: Cain Apr 3 2008, 07:42 AM
http://www.shadowrun4.com/wordpress/?p=220.
And while I'm not the Dunner: assuming that this isn't a late April Fool's joke, I believe that the entirety of Runners Companion is meant to be optional rules. SRM does not run with any optional or house rules, which should rule that out.
Posted by: Casazil Apr 3 2008, 09:00 AM
And while I'm not the Dunner: assuming that this isn't a late April Fool's joke, I believe that the entirety of Runners Companion is meant to be optional rules. SRM does not run with any optional or house rules, which should rule that out.
Yeah but come on I had to ask, setting the dragons to the side there are however other metavariants and you know people are going to want to use them in SRM's.
Posted by: Cadmus Apr 3 2008, 09:10 AM
Well after looking at the preview, and you did get to play one um. its a dragon? your the size of a house, and if you use the spell shape change with out masking um agian. your then a Astral billboard walkign around
you might be built like a tank but what team is going to want you around?
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