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Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 9 2006, 04:50 AM

i think i might buy a console system by the end of the year, i'm trying to decide which one i should go with. Xbox seems to be more shoot'em up games and sports games. I love rpg and stragety which i dont' know if the playstation will keep it's dominace in the field. Yeah they got Final Fantasy series, but since the last great one (tactics) I haven't held much confidence (though the new one looks good). WII will be the cheapest, with 2 kids and a nagging wife I"m constantly strapped for cash, and i think it would have more kid friendly games as well.



thoughts?

Posted by: Garrowolf Nov 9 2006, 08:42 AM

I'm going to get the wii because I like the controllers. I've been wanting those kind of controllers for years now. Plus it's alot cheaper thn the others.

Second choice is the PS3. I just can't EVER afford it.

Posted by: Firewall Nov 9 2006, 10:25 AM

Wii first, then I might buy a 360. There is nothing about the PS3 that excites me, nothing that won't have a release on the other consoles. I never got into Final Fantasy, I was too busy playing Zelda. My wife likes the Suikoden games but I can grab her a PS2 to play those on. Well, a PS1 if I am honest; she prefers the older ones to the newer ones.

I played the 360, though I don't like its emphasis on FPS games. If I want an FPS, I will buy it for my PC.

Posted by: eidolon Nov 9 2006, 02:58 PM

PC.

Best, console, ever.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 9 2006, 03:56 PM

I already have a great PC, an XBox, and a Gamecube. (just for background)
I have a Wii on reserve. They seem to be more focused on innovation and gameplay, rather than OMFG-GRAFFIX!!!!1
I plan to buy a 360 when they get a larger game base, and I might pick up an old PS2 when they're super-cheap, 'cause they do have some good titles.
A PS3 would pretty much have to fall on me. I don't plan on buying one, ever.

Posted by: Casazil Nov 9 2006, 09:11 PM

Wii to start with till say 3 or 4 years from now when the PS3 is finally reasonablely priced. till then I'll stay with my PC and PS2 and yes Hocus Pocus I do like FF12

Posted by: 2bit Nov 9 2006, 11:14 PM

Chances are you won't be able to get a PS3 this year anyway, just considering their ridiculous shortage. 360 and Wii you'll have no problem getting ahold of.

360 will have good rpg and strategy titles, but is really a "boy's club" system just like the xbox was. Depending on your home situation, that could be disruptive.

Wii will have a lot more family friendly games, and will have more of a "toy" feel to it. It's also the only system of the three that doesn't feature a DVD player, if that makes any difference to you.

Posted by: PBTHHHHT Nov 9 2006, 11:19 PM

boy's club?! whatever do you mean? I mean, sure they had that DOA volleyball game...

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 10 2006, 04:56 AM

what's the deal with the controlers of wii?

wii has no dvd player?, been using my PS2 as the dvd player ever since our dvd/vhs one gave up the ghost



PC-i really want to be able to play with my older kid. My wife used to play games while we were going out. I want to try to get her interested (if she ever was to begin with or was just faking) and have something else we enjoy doing together. And the only thing I'ved noticed that i might need to use a PC is online games which I've realised monopolized my time away from the family


overall if i can get a system with alot of kid and family games first, and then my favorites of stragety and rpg along with the cheapest I"d be happy



Final fantasy- never got into it?!?! then you must not have played 1,2,3(the best) i highly reccomend it, then you'll know what a video game masterpiece is yes indeedy!
(oh celes my darling I'm here for you!)

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 10 2006, 06:38 PM

For what it's worth, I'm probably going with a PS3. Amazing first-party titles, backwards compatibility, potential for seven simultaneous players on a single console, and the fact that Team Silent is almost certainly making SH5 for it makes it compelling, and the news that it will apparently be highly general-purpose with a Linux base just barely makes the (extremely high) price swallowable.

~J

Posted by: Casazil Nov 10 2006, 08:28 PM

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 11 2006, 04:30 AM

1,2,3(the best)



*disclaimer...US versions*







played my final fantasy VI soundtrack today while I was cleaning up the house. Pluperfect masterpiece.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 11 2006, 06:32 AM

I've been kinda down on pluperfect music lately. Give me a good future perfect album any day.

~J

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 16 2006, 04:41 AM

saw my first wii commercial today. kid was playing a ww2 game and pretending to shoot and punch and the controls responded and the game emulated what he did. Hmm i dunno about that...

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 17 2006, 05:35 AM

read some stories of people camping for the consoles.

Posted by: hyzmarca Nov 17 2006, 07:20 AM

Wii, from the reviews I've seen it delivers what it was created to deliever, a new type of gaming experince for both hardcore and casual gamers alike.

The Playstation 3 is tempting, but not until they've worked the bugs out. The PS1and PS2 emulators don't work right, potentially rendering hundreds of popular games unplayable.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 18 2006, 03:50 PM

Report is that about two hundred games don't work correctly, where "don't work correctly" ranges between "totally unplayable" to "cutscenes don't play sound" (which varies widely in importance by game) to "background music sometimes doesn't play" (which, granted, again can be very important for some games).

As for which games they are, some of them are popular. Most of the ones I've seen, though, I've never heard of, and a decent chunk I'm pretty certain aren't even available outside Japan. If you go for importing, though, that'd be an issue (but your first issue would be, if living outside Japan, getting a Japanese PS3—while PS3 games aren't region-locked, the console apparently obeys the region-locking on PS2 and PS1 titles.), but most people shouldn't be bothered much.

Most of the big-name problems stem from the fact that there's no emulation of the PS2 hard drive. That one's a showstopper for several big games, FFXI most notably.

~J

Posted by: hyzmarca Nov 18 2006, 08:32 PM

One of the big problems (I dare say the biggest) is that the emulator isn't really an emulator, it is an interpreter. This is true for all of emulators for all of the later generation consoles simply because emulating advanced graphics hardware is so processor intensive that it isn't feasible on any modern computers. Instead, the "emulators" are programed to interpret the game software and run it on the hardware that is present.

Sony uses their own SDKs as the basis for their interpreter and this is the most obvious solution. The only problem is that many games use nonstandard techniques in order to get the most out of the available hardware. While they would work fine on perfect hardware emulation, one must program the interpreter to recognize those programing techniques.

Because of this, they have to implement customs fixes for every nonstandard programing technique and this takes time.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 18 2006, 08:55 PM

The PS2 hard drive would have to be emulated, as unless I remember very poorly indeed, the PS2 didn't handle multiple partitions on its hard drives and the PS3 needs its own chunk of the hard drive.

As for PS2 support, it's handled with an entire hardware PS2 (actually, I think calls to video hardware are interpreted). It's not emulated, but there's no interpretation going on there either.

Short answer: apart from the hard drive issue, most major issues are due to developers doing things they shouldn't have been doing. Most developers that are willing to do things they shouldn't be are smaller outfits, hence most games that have trouble are not what you might call "widely known".

~J

Posted by: BlueRondo Nov 18 2006, 09:07 PM

At this point, I don't have much interest in any of the new consoles, but I must give kudos to Nintendo for actually making some innovative hardware. None of the games using the technology really interest me right now, but I think it definitely has potential. I hope someone figures out a way to make a game with fun swordplay (Red Steel, from what I hear, failed to deliver in that regard.)

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 18 2006, 09:57 PM

"Innovative" is debatable. It's an idea that's been done before a number of times, Nintendo just is doing it when it's actually feasible (or at least that's what it looks like).

No one used a remote-control interface for the motion-sensing before, granted.

~J

Posted by: eidolon Nov 19 2006, 02:10 AM

A man in Minnesota was shot and robbed walking out of a Wal-Mart with his new PS3. Fucking. Ridiculous.

I mean, fuck. Where are our damn priorities and how fucked up are our perspectives when we FUCKING SHOOT PEOPLE OVER A DAMN VIDEO GAME MACHINE?????

Disgusting.

Posted by: clegrady Nov 19 2006, 03:46 AM

There were also three similar incidents in WI, KT, and CT.

Posted by: Fortune Nov 19 2006, 04:04 AM

Is it bad to say that I am not in the least surprised?

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Posted by: Adam Nov 19 2006, 05:22 AM

There are probably 50+ awesome games I haven't played for the PS2, all of which could be found used for under 20 bucks at this point, and with the amount I play video games, I'm good for another 10 years or so...

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Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 20 2006, 05:21 PM

The Wii is amazingly fun. Wii sports are pretty simplistic, but they're designed to be accessible, not 100% realistic. There will be more realistic sports game coming for those who want to worry about the difference between an 8-iron and a 9-iron.
Zelda: Twilight Princess is really fun. I've heard it being critisized as 'dated', but accusing it of being too much like Ocarina of Time, arguably one of the best console games ever made, isn't all that bad.
I'll admit Red Steel isn't quite what I'd hoped it would be, but it is still a lot of fun. Definitely worth renting for the experience of playing it, even if you don't buy it.
The Wii has worse graphics than the other next-gen consoles, and a heck of a lot less processing power, but it is, IMHO, the most fun console I've ever laid my hands on.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 20 2006, 08:49 PM

Posted by: eidolon Nov 20 2006, 09:37 PM

If you honestly thought that what Sony did doesn't count as deliberate, maybe you're just not paying attention. Do you really think that nobody at Sony knew, prior to the release date, that having less than a half a million consoles ready to ship at release was a bad idea? Or do you think that nobody bothered to check to see how many there were and how much demand there would be?

These are the guys that made the PS1, the PS2....they're not exactly new to this.

Don't agree if you don't want to, but I don't think I'm the one that has to prove anything here.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 20 2006, 09:43 PM

I'll ask the naive question, Eidolon. What's the purpose in this? Why create the false shortage? Doesn't that cause them to make less money, by selling less units? If PS3s are selling for $9,000 (I almost put 9000 nuyen) on ebay, Sony isn't seeing anything past their initial sale anyway. So why?

Posted by: Witness Nov 20 2006, 09:46 PM

Despite being a Playstation fan and owning a PS2, I weakened and treated myself to a X360 last month (reward for having completed my thesis at last).

First X360 unit was faulty and had to be returned in about a week. Not had that problem with a console before, but the replacement has been fine.

I got it mainly for Oblivion, which I couldn't have run on my PC or laptop without massive investment (that and in some ways I prefer gaming on consoles- it's just a more social activity that way).

The wireless controllers are great. But you'll get them for PS3 as far as I know.

Have played Oblivion for hours and hours. Great game- though would presumably be just as good or better on a top-level PC or PS3.

Borrowed various original xbox games off friends, and managed- for most of them- to do the downloading nonsense necessary to make them playable on the X360. No way to get Chronicles of Riddick working though, which is a shame, as I'd heard good things.

Other X360 games acquired so far: Test Drive Unlimited- which is huge and looks great but hasn't entirely held my attention; Dead Rising- which is fun and wonderfully cinematic, and it's great to see hundreds of zombies on screen at the same time, but it's seriously hampered by almost illegible text (we don't all have HD TV's, Capcom), and an annoyingly sparse savepoint system.

Nevertheless, all these games are good showcases of next-gen console gaming.

Just acquired Gears of War. Yes it's another FPS, albeit with tactics, but it certainly is very very good, beautiful to behold, and almost painfully intense.


So thats the X360. I don't regret buying it, and I think there are some good games out there for it. What worries me about the PS3 is that I haven't seen any particularly appealing games for it yet. But knowing Sony that'll change.

Still, not sure I'll bother getting a PS3 unless I've got an HD TV (which won't be for quite a while) and can take full advantage of the blu-ray. May well pick up a Wii at some point, just because it looks like a fun thing. Will depend on the games though. It's all about the games.

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Posted by: eidolon Nov 21 2006, 03:11 PM

Okay. Agree to disagree.

Whale's vagina.

Anchorman quote, in case someone sees it and is wondering double-you tee eff.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 21 2006, 03:32 PM

Could be. I don't know enough to form a strong opinion, so I'll just stockpile rumors in my head.
Personally, I think Sony is going to lose this round of console wars, and their next console won't be called the PS4.
I doubt I'll ever buy a PS3, because for the money I could get 12+ Wii games. I can't say enough good things about the Wii. It's just more fun. (more fun than any other console I've played, although I admit I haven't played a PS3, and have barely touched an XBOX 360, so take that for what it's worth)
Oh, and I picked up Trauma Center: Second Opinion yesterday. I never played the DS version, but this game is also extremely fun.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 21 2006, 03:34 PM

Posted by: eidolon Nov 21 2006, 03:49 PM

@Moon-Hawk,

It'd be interesting. I wonder what they'd call it? NPS4?

What games have you played on the Wii so far?


edit: Oops, a few posts up. I can read...

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 21 2006, 04:18 PM

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 21 2006, 04:22 PM

Well, it would be worse than that—it would be how Nintendo "lost" with the N64 (overwhelming market dominance to merely existence within the market). That said, I was trying to clear up whether you meant that kind of loss, the Dreamcast kind of loss, the XBox kind of loss (possibly-pyhrric victory), or the "came in something other than first" kind of loss, as they're all losses of a kind but very different.

Edit: I should add that the Gamecube outsold the XBox by a small margin on the worldwide front, and actually made (as opposed to losing) money. It's far from "definite" that the XBox beat the pants off of it.

~J

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 21 2006, 04:27 PM

I meant something in the Gamecube to N64 level of loss. I guess you're right, N64 is probably a better analogy than Gamecube in some ways. I don't expect Dreamcast levels of loss. Sony can weather one bad console, as long as they don't have two in a row. Nintendo was only able to get away with two weak consoles in a row because they're Nintendo, and I think the Wii is really going to either return them to the head of the pack or boot them out of the console market, 'cause not even Nintendo can handle three weak consoles in a row.
But, from the looks of things so far, Nintendo is going to come out of this round in pretty good shape.

edit: regarding your edit: Good points about the Gamecube. I just always got the impression that the XBox did better. I have both, and I've really enjoyed both.

Posted by: mintcar Nov 21 2006, 07:39 PM

Sony had troubles with manufacturing, that's a fact. I don't believe they deliberatly delayed release in Europe until March next year. Eidolon is right in a way, though. Because even if they didn't have problems with getting enough components for the blueray player, they would still have had a minor shortage that would have been deliberate. There was a delay with Sony's stand alone blueray player too, so it's not just the PS3. And the lack of a Sony blueray on the market was not a good thing for Sony, as it's their format and there were already HDDVD players out, so that delay was absolutly not deliberate.

Nintendo makes money off of every console they sell, and they rule the handheld market. They're not even bothered by this console war.

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Posted by: Fortune Nov 23 2006, 03:32 AM

Shit! We were doing runs for Tickle-Me-Dunky™ dolls almost ten years ago.

Posted by: Nikoli Nov 23 2006, 05:55 AM

LOL, I love the Wii comercials. Since I'm not yet at HD, I'll be picking one of those little doo-dads up, my soon to be roomie is getting the PS3 in a few weeks when supply is actually existing.

Posted by: Bull Nov 23 2006, 04:46 PM

I own a 360, picked it up last May or so, love it. I was hestitant to drop $400 for it, and it mostly sat and played played DVD's for the first couple months, but I've really put it through it's paces lately. Dead Rising, Oblivion, and Marvel Ultimate ALliance consumed a large portion of my free time there.

A buddy got a Wii at launch, and we played it for like 6 hours. It's far, far more fun than I thought it would be. I'll be picking one up after Christmas. Wii Boxing and Wii baseball for the win

No one has said or done or shown me anything to kindle any interest in a PS3, even if one were to magically appear on the shelves at Gamestop. There's nothing confirmed right now that I absolutely must own or must play for the system, and the graphics haven't stunned me. Granted, in 3 or 4 years, sure, we'll start seeing the difference between the PS3 and 360, graphically, but until then, I doubt it'll be the least bit noticable. Between the price tag, Sony's "marketing" tactics and blunders, and just the ineptitude all around has really soured me on Playstation in general.

Bull

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 29 2006, 04:03 AM

It is looking more and more like the wii for me. Low price, kid friendly games that allow my kid to excercise to a limited fashion. The only drawbacks are no dvd player and i'm not to sure if there are any stragety/rpg's slated for wii.

Posted by: Casazil Nov 29 2006, 05:44 AM

got courious today looked over on ebay you too can own your own PS3 for a mear 900 to 1100 bucks.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 29 2006, 06:49 AM

*Waves little flag in air*

~J

Posted by: KarmaInferno Nov 29 2006, 04:09 PM

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212


-karma

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 29 2006, 04:20 PM

No, it's been fucking stupid since VGCats posted it, but don't let that distract you.

(See shortage discussion above)

~J

Posted by: eidolon Nov 29 2006, 04:24 PM

Meh, says you. I think it's hilarious.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 29 2006, 04:28 PM

Posted by: Warmaster Lah Nov 29 2006, 04:53 PM

1.) I always wait a year when a new system comes out. So it is now time for me to pick up an Xbox360.

I've been impressed with the system.

And a year from now I'll pick up a PS3. It doesn't cost that much if you plan and dont impulse buy.


2.) People were really shocked by the PS3 violence. But people are not being robbed and killed for PS3s... they are being robbed and killed for MONEY, on the whole. Friend of mine made $1500 profit on X360 resales. The PS3 resales were just as rediculous.

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Nov 30 2006, 03:52 AM

have a dvd/vcr combo thing where the dvd player part of it gave up the ghost. Whenever i tried inserting a cd it spits it back out. Had my PS2 hooked up anywho and just watch dvds on that now. Might have to buy a new player when/if i get the wii.

i've leared more and more to stragedy than rpg as i feel the final fantasy series has steadily moved from game enjoyment to fmv sequences and the like. The only game I'm still playing for PS2 is romance of the three kingdomss 8 and civilization III (picked it up and Freedome force vs the thrid reich for 7.99 each). That's kinda what I"m looking for for myself, but like i said before i want a system my 5 year old and the wife can enjoy as well.

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Posted by: Lindt Nov 30 2006, 06:53 PM

Here is the biggest problem. And its why Im not bothering with either of the expensive 7th gen boxes. Blue Ray vs. HDDVD. One of them is going to loose big, and I all ready have enough dead end tech in my PC (phucking switch away from socket 939...), so Im going to get a Wii and enjoy my self. We all remember Betamax, or laser disks. or if you don't, well this is your time to watch.

Posted by: 2bit Nov 30 2006, 08:30 PM

hmm... would you call zelda more of an adventure game then? It's not the final fantasy template, but I thought of game like that as rpg's in the console world.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 30 2006, 08:36 PM

Well, I'm not sure what, exactly, constitutes an RPG, but you don't "level up", you don't get to make your character, you don't have any decisions to make in a completely linear plot. Not that an RPG necessarily needs all of those things, but most of them have at least one of them.
For what it's worth, gamespot categorizes Twilight Princess as a "Fantasy Action Adventure".

And just to be clear, I am not ragging on Twilight Princess. It's a fantastic game. Wonderful. I just wouldn't categorize it as an RPG.

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 1 2006, 03:39 AM

I'm down home for the "classic" rpg ala the early FF titles. I long for the pixelated versions of yore and although the lastest edition looks interesting, it doesn't have that jump up and grab your crotch kinda feel like the old ones did.


echo that on the price. PS3 priced itself out of contention for me. I could just buy a new comp sans the monitor for a hundred more bucks or so that is pretty top of the line. Plus my wife would go ballistic.

xbox is a long shot possibility, but i don't see any kid like games my 5 year old would enjoy...

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 1 2006, 03:44 AM

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 1 2006, 06:25 AM

yeow! 2 thousand bucks?!?! looks like my definition of i upper end model differs from most. Put one together for 600 bucks roughly not too long ago. Man if i spent 2k my wife would kill me!

Posted by: hyzmarca Dec 1 2006, 10:03 AM

A GeForce 8800GTX with 768MB of GDDR3 with a PCI Express x16 interface goes for about $630. That's pretty much the top of the line of gaming cards. Any more than that and you're looking at a graphics editing workstation.

But in the PC Gaming world "Top of the line" is generally unnecessary. No current game is going to push that graphics card to its limits.

But, one thing to remember about home consoles is that they are not top=of-the-line. Sure, they've got powerful hardware but they aren't nearly as powerful as a home PC can be. The big advantage is the hardware uniformity combined with far less abstraction. This allows the programmers to write for the hardware specifically instead of writing generically and the lack of the abstraction layers provided by an operating system greatly reduces the overhead.

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Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 1 2006, 05:11 PM

Yes. Not, however, necessarily cheaper than card now + card then.

Besides, my point isn't that anyone needs a top-of-the-line gaming graphics card, but that a computer in the pricerange Hocus Pocus is talking about is less expensive than a top-of-the-line graphics card, making it clearly not top-of-the-line. How much that matters is an entirely different discussion that I'm not going to get into.

~J

Posted by: 2bit Dec 1 2006, 08:32 PM

Yes, i think Sony priced themselves out of 1st place in the market, even if they had managed to produce a respectable number of consoles for launch. The only way you can really see the machine as having a good price would be to compare it to today's Blu-Ray disc players.

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Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 3 2006, 07:26 AM

i saw a special lastnight on spike tv. a gameshow highlighting the nentindo wii and saw that you could downloand the old games. That has pretty much sealed the deal for me purchasing one (though i already have the cartriges of my favorite games) playing and then sometimes seeing all the info erase when the screen blaks out when starting up the systems sucks.


playing games like act raiser. The first beautiful song i ever heard, when they make the song for the man who died.


FF4? seeing edward play the harp and pine for anna. palom and porom sacrificing themselves to stop the walls from closing in. Tellah...poor tellah casting meteo to try and kill goblez in revenge for his daughter anna dying by golbez hand.

ff6 cyan loosing his family and runing after them on the ghost train. Relm and he sweet innocents. locke losing his woman. terra being used. celis my sweet celis, so alone and singing the beatiful song at the opera house! dont' fret my love! come to my arms and I"ll hold you till the end of time JUST SAY YOU LOVE ME!!!! ultros...ha ha ha ultros..."it'll take me eactly 5 minutes to drop this weight" kefa the best ff villan of all time. general leo...i can go on!


suffice it to say. go wii!


now if the ps3 can do the games of suikoden (awesome game all around), wild arms (beautiful begining), vandal hearts (that woman singing is beatufil). I"d even consider ps3

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 3 2006, 03:10 PM

FF4 and FF6 will probably end up on there, as Square Enix is confirmed in support of the Virtual Console, but Act Raiser will almost certainly not end up on the VC—Quintet, IIRC, owns at least part of the rights to it, and they're probably defunct (while the company still exists, there hasn't been any news out of them since early 2002).

~J

Posted by: JongWK Dec 4 2006, 02:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Console_titles_%28North_America%29

Posted by: Eldritch Dec 6 2006, 02:18 AM

I currently have in my household (For my four kids ) A PS2, GameCube and an x-box. We play them all fairly frequently. But for this next round, I'm afraid Sony and MS has priced me out of their market.

With the Wii able to play Gamecube games, and the downloadable 'classic' games on tap, we will go with that - some time next year after the first couple batches have sold out. (We have had issues with bot the PS2 and GC's cd player crapping out after a couple years. Sony fessed up and fixed it for free. Nintendo wants $50 regardless to fix it.) *Shrug* We'll put the money to the Wii next year.

I really hope the Wii out sells them all - and send some sort of notice to MS and Sony that five to six hundred bucks is a bit much.

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 9 2006, 06:32 AM

my birthday is a few days before chirstmas so i think I'll buy the wii around the probably if there are any left.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 9 2006, 06:36 AM

Just get some real games for it. I've been doing some thinking lately, and have become seriously worried that Nintendo's strategy of targeting non-gamers may kill off gaming. For evidence of this, look at board gaming—anything outside of Monopoly, Risk, and other low-quality, simple games is very solidly a niche market.

On the other hand, I can get some amusement value out of saying that party games scare me.

~J

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 9 2006, 08:05 AM

it is a novel stragety admitedly. targeting the audience that doesn't typically play video games a bunch. Girl gamers (i still say that is any oxymoron) and people more concerned with substance than graphics they'll hoping to woo. Me personally i have strayed away from console gaming to pc gaming but the wii has me intereested again. Nintendo to me seems more "kiddy fied" and "wholesome" more align with familys and such. It looks to be a system where my kids and i can play without to much button smashing and complicated techinques to do things. I hope to get the wife playing again as well and racing games is what she likes. I find today's games don't really take much time to beat and miss the days where you actually immerse yourself with the game, not just play it for it's flashiness. both my kids were playing this dance thingy for the game cube today and they LOVED it. I would have like to have goteen a ps3 but their price is too high, maybe they'll come down a bit later. for me first and foremost my kids gotta be able to play it. If their happiness means i have to give up final fantasy titles then so be it.

board games i attribute to more "adult" type of entertainment whereas you go over and have a nice social gathering and you play something like that.


i apologize if i seem to ramble on but i've been drinking and watching naruto episodes

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Posted by: Adam Dec 9 2006, 10:43 PM

Tangenting back to board games, they're actually doing better now than they have in years, with games like Settlers of Catan, Ticket to Ride and several others getting widespread acceptance beyond board gaming geeks.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 9 2006, 11:00 PM

That is true, and a hopeful sign. It's entirely possible that there's going to be a societal shift towards general acceptance of more varied and complex forms of play, or that I'm simply trying to read patterns where there either are none or where the ones that exist are beyond my ability to perceive without significant research.

Still, a world where Age of Renaissance can be out of print worries me.

~J

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 12 2006, 04:13 AM

well over the weekend and today i went looking for a wii and as expected no dice but I'm as patient as a noiseless paitent spider, i can wait.


lol my wife found out i was looking for one and she was like "why are you looking for it you are not gonna get it"

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 14 2006, 06:13 AM

no plans for shadowrun? i don't have the genesis version

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 14 2006, 12:55 PM

What?

~J

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Dec 14 2006, 03:20 PM

I believe Hocus Pocus is wondering if either SNES or Genesis Shadowrun games will be available for download and play on the Wii, since the Wii is supporting classic game downloads from both consoles.
I, too, am wondering this.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 14 2006, 03:50 PM

No public plans. I don't know if it'd take Microsoft/FASA Interactive's go-ahead to make them available, but if so you can expect it to happen just after Hell freezes over and just before Redmond deals with its flying pig problem.

If it doesn't rely on that, the question gets more complex. The Genesis game was published directly by Sega, so it would have a pretty decent chance of coming out. The SNES game, on the other hand, was published by now-defunct Data East, who are now owned by a company focused on providing games for mobile phones. I find it pretty unlikely that that one's going to resurface.

~J

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 15 2006, 06:20 PM

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 15 2006, 06:21 PM

yeah i got the snes version, but since i don't have a genesie i didn't get the sega one. The sega one's mechanics were definately better

Posted by: blakkie Dec 15 2006, 07:39 PM

Posted by: 2bit Dec 15 2006, 07:48 PM

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 15 2006, 08:10 PM

Posted by: Lindt Dec 15 2006, 08:22 PM

But K, thats what I have a PC thats all ready bigger, better and badder-ass then the PS3 is. My gf 8800 is in the mail... never mind that at 2048X1536 my resolution will be reasonable better then a 1080i HDtv (1080x1920).

Im getting a wii (when I can find and afford one) because its something new and different.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 15 2006, 09:09 PM

Well, yeah. I mean, Wii included, it has been a long time since there was a console that would do better for whatever you wanted than a computer. However, not all games come out for the computer, and dedicated devices mean that when you're doing one thing, the other device can be doing another thing—CPU-intensive games don't run so well on a computer that happens to be halfway through a four-hour compile cycle.

The fact that a GF8800 is, at least at the prices I'm finding, more expensive than a MSRP PS3 (the mythical beast) also contributes

(Edit: apparently the price varies pretty widely based on VRAM capacity. Still, even the cheaper ones look to be in the same pricerange as a complete non-Wii console.)

~J

Posted by: blakkie Dec 16 2006, 10:30 PM

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Dec 18 2006, 03:31 PM

I was at the mall this weekend. There was a Wii display setup with 6 consoles playing different games, and there were lines for every one and a huge crowd.
Also, in the same mall, there was one demo PS3 set up, and it was broken.

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 23 2006, 03:53 AM

lucky, the only setup i see is at best buy and they're all on the fritz

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Dec 26 2006, 06:25 PM

i didn't get a WII for my birthday or christmas! grrr

now i don't feel so bad not getting the wife a christmas present :O

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Jan 14 2007, 12:08 AM

hmm seems that the porn industry is going with HD DVD instead of blu ray. If they throw their collecting 14 billion dollar empire behind HD DVD will the war tip to in their favor thus making blue ray betta max? format war seems to be heating up. who will win?


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8602.html

Posted by: Grinder Jan 14 2007, 12:22 PM

The people who buy the player that can read both
Iirc, the first player that can do so was shown at ECS this week.

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Jan 14 2007, 07:20 PM

yeah i heard about that. but i read that people would decide on one format instread of making two different ones and costing more money. So eventually 1 would win out. see if i can dig up that article.


and what about http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/13/water.intox.ap/index.html woman dies of water intoxication competing for a WII

Posted by: Grinder Jan 14 2007, 07:22 PM

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 14 2007, 07:42 PM

To be fair, I'd class water intoxication as being something someone can reasonably not know to be dangerous.

Not that it's not still sorta stupid, but not the "person knowingly does dangerous thing for questionable reasons" kind of stupid.

~J

Posted by: Grinder Jan 14 2007, 08:41 PM

Yeah, no chance for her to get awarded for a "Darwins Award".

Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 14 2007, 09:15 PM

I'm more concerned about the radio station for doing something so absurdly dangerous without the proper medical supervision.

In a desert environment under strenuous exercise, 0.75liters/hour is a reasonable upper limit for hydration. Even then, it is best to drink a pint or so of Gatorade every 4-6 hours or so to maintain electrolyte balance, at the very least.

Lay people, I can understand. But radio stations have lawyers who look over their contests with a fine-tooth-comb for any potential liability and those lawyers should have consulted a medical doctor about the safety of this contest

Posted by: Hocus Pocus Jan 19 2007, 03:36 AM

it's like the same people that wait outside to get a console system. They just gotta have it


by the by some http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070117/od_nm/usa_radio_death1_dc of events. and here is an http://www.radioearth.com/KDNDWaterIntox.html of the contest. Sad

Posted by: Trigger Mar 2 2007, 11:05 AM

I have found something that has helped me decide which I am going to get first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbFh2MDUxCY&NR

Posted by: the_dunner Mar 2 2007, 02:33 PM

Posted by: hyzmarca Mar 4 2007, 10:06 PM