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Posted by: Fortune Sep 4 2007, 11:48 PM
So, since Transformers did so well, I guess the powers-that-be are looking for new fodder ...
http://www.insomniacmania.com/news_default.php?id=3743
http://imdb.com/title/tt1046173/ doesn't want to play unless I pay though. 
Posted by: Critias Sep 5 2007, 07:01 AM
That article is the first I've heard that the movie will actually have anything to do with, well, GI Joe at all.
Every other article (interviews directly with the creators included) I've read about it has mentioned that it (1) won't be called GI Joe, because that term is offensive to most of the world, (2) will be primarily about the British super spy Action Man, with Duke (Wahlberg) and he working together, just the pair of them, as a sort of action buddy flick, (3) was supposed to have absolutely no mention of GI Joe as an organization, Cobra ("because they're silly"), or anything else that had anything to do with, y'know...what it's supposed to be based on.
Now, if your article does end up being more true than the other articles, I'm a happy man. I just got home from spending four days at Dragoncon, waltzing around dressed up like a blue-suit Cobra trooper, for pete's sake. I think it's obvious that I want a movie about GI Joe (and all that comes with it), not a movie about Action Man with a token American guy playing sidekick (and no Cobra, no other Joes, and nothing else from the actual franchise of my childhood).
Posted by: Zhan Shi Sep 5 2007, 07:14 AM
This reminds me of when the makers of the film "The Sum of All Fears" changed the villains from Islamic extremists (in the Clancy novel) to neo nazis (in the movie). Can't have the world thinking that muslims want to blow stuff up, can we?
Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Sep 5 2007, 08:42 AM
| QUOTE (Critias) |
| ...that it (1) won't be called GI Joe, because that term is offensive to most of the world... |
...what the Hell?
Posted by: Critias Sep 5 2007, 10:03 AM
GI Joe was my thing growing up. My favorite toys, bar none. I was into the comic (long live Hama), the cartoon, the movie, the action figures -- you name it. I'm with the Cobra 21st now not only because my loonie wife's loonie friends started the whole thing, but because I'd probably have found them and joined up by now anydamnedways.
So, yeah. I've been keeping up with rumors/articles/interviews about the movie. And hating it.
| QUOTE |
| Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura revealed recently that the title of this movie adaptation of the "G.I. Joe" toy line will not even be called that, due to the needs of marketing internationally. Instead, this will be a "buddy movie" between the G.I. Joe character of Duke, and "Action Man", a toy similar to G.I. Joe that is popular in other countries. |
| QUOTE |
| "...unfortunately our president has put us in a position internationally where it would be very difficult to release a movie called G.I. Joe internationally in a lot of places." |
| QUOTE |
| I had previously heard that the movie would be about the early formation of Cobra, but what I didn’t expect to hear was that the movie doesn’t feature Cobra at all. Instead, the villain of the movie is a guy named… get this… “Cool Dude�. I don’t see how a name like that could possibly make it into the final draft of a script… maybe it’s just a placeholder, but seriously, what the hell? He works with The Baroness (who is some hot chick with a cobra tattoo on her back) to launch a nuclear missile into Hong Kong killing thousands of civilians. G.I. Joe investigates, and eventually tracks the attack to an inside man at the C.I.A., who goes on to become Cobra Commander at the very end of the movie. Did I mention that there is a love triangle between Scarlett, Duke and Action Man? |
I could do this all day, just Googling in one window and cutting and pasting over to here, but every time read one of these I want to murder someone. So these two or three snippets will have to do. That second one is a quote right from this di Bonaventura knucklehead, by the way. So, yeah. It's, y'know, George Bush (not the film's producer) that's fucking up the GI Joe movie -- just ask him!
Posted by: toturi Sep 5 2007, 10:16 AM
You know... coming from where I come from( 
), I don't really see GI Joe as anything more than a symbol, just like Coke or MacDonalds or Starbucks.
But I liked Action Man too. 
Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Sep 5 2007, 11:41 AM
Yeah, that's what I don't get. I've traveled extensively and have lived on five different continents for various amounts of time. Not once have I ever heard "G.I. Joe" being some kind of offensive term, especially to people of non-American countries or cultures. I have no idea where that's coming from. It's about as offensive as "Yankee" or "American" is; all basically contextual synonyms of one another.
For the record, Action Man sucked. His eyes creep me out, man.
Posted by: eidolon Sep 5 2007, 01:38 PM
| QUOTE (critias) |
| I'm a happy man. I just got home from spending four days at Dragoncon, waltzing around dressed up like a blue-suit Cobra trooper, for pete's sake. |
Was that you at http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/grungydan/Gencon%202007/CobraCommanderHasMeSmall.jpg as well?
And yeah, if the movie is actually GI Joe and not "we took everything 'offensive' out of GI Joe and are going to call it Happy Bunny Fun Time", then it might rock.
Bull's huge into GI Joe, too. Maybe he'll jump in here.
And Doc has a good point. So many times you see a bunch of Americans talking about what "offends" somebody else...and then you ask the somebody else and it doesn't. On top of that, how about "GI Joe was American, what's stopping you from making a movie about it for Americans?"
Posted by: hyzmarca Sep 5 2007, 05:13 PM
Really, there's already been a good G.I. Joe Movie. Charlie Sheen Starred in it. It was called Platoon.
Nothing can really compare to the good G.I. Joe Marvel comics, which actually treated it like a serious war. The beauty of G.I. Joe is that, when it was done right, it allowed a real brutal gripping emotional war story to be told in media that traditionally did not cater to such things. Robotech was generally superior in this regard when it comes to television, due to the fact that the G.I.Joe television series heavily waters down the violence of war, with no one dying but robots in most cases, but there is still the brutal bit of pure psychological torture known as There's No Place Like Springfield to show people just why being a P.O.W of an enemy that never agreed to the Geneva Convention sucks horribly.
Turning it into a live action movie is somewhat counterproductive, since it would be difficult to do it justice without garnering a PG-13 or R rating in today's climate.
Posted by: MYST1C Sep 5 2007, 06:47 PM
I had a lot of GI Joe stuff as a child - but that toy line was actually known as "Action Force" here in Germany (and the rest of Europe, I think).
Posted by: Cthulhudreams Sep 6 2007, 12:11 AM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Sep 5 2007, 12:13 PM) |
| Really, there's already been a good G.I. Joe Movie. Charlie Sheen Starred in it. It was called Platoon. Nothing can really compare to the good G.I. Joe Marvel comics, which actually treated it like a serious war. The beauty of G.I. Joe is that, when it was done right, it allowed a real brutal gripping emotional war story to be told in media that traditionally did not cater to such things. Robotech was generally superior in this regard when it comes to television, due to the fact that the G.I.Joe television series heavily waters down the violence of war, with no one dying but robots in most cases, but there is still the brutal bit of pure psychological torture known as There's No Place Like Springfield to show people just why being a P.O.W of an enemy that never agreed to the Geneva Convention sucks horribly. Turning it into a live action movie is somewhat counterproductive, since it would be difficult to do it justice without garnering a PG-13 or R rating in today's climate. |
Pfft. G.I. Joe was all about hilarious cobra bad guys and saying "I'll get you next time Joes!" and stuff. Platoon is all about seriously confusing editing and bad dudes shooting at you you cannot see and fear and stuff.
In all seriousness though I think the saturday morning cartoon series is a more common cultural touchstone on the subject.
Totally opposite ends of the spectrum.
Posted by: Wounded Ronin Sep 6 2007, 12:52 AM
When I was a little kid my parents never let me watch GI Joe, fearing that it was military propaganda. Both my mom and my dad held extremely negative views towards military service. My dad was a little kid in Japan during World War II so his most formative experience with the military was the Japanese Imperial Army; I've even seen old photos of paternal relatives of mine from that time period with their katana and such. The only thing my mom ever told me about the Vietnam War was how young men she knew from art school came back addicted to heroin and utterly destroyed. They both reacted very emotionally when I had to sign up for that selective service thingie.
So, for a long time, I never understood the awesomeness that is the show GI Joe. Until I read these articles: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/feature-articles/world-war-an.php
Posted by: Critias Sep 6 2007, 06:32 AM
| QUOTE (eidolon) | ||
Was that you at http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/grungydan/Gencon%202007/CobraCommanderHasMeSmall.jpg as well? |
What? Pfft, no way. That guy's just some loonie in a black hood. What sort of Cobra madman would run around all by himself? No, no, no. He's got it all backwards. The strength of Cobra lies not in quality alone, but in quantity. We don't call our costumes "costumes," they're uniforms! Yay conformity! Yay swarms of evil-doers! Yay, more people to hide behind when the shooting starts!
Nope, that guy's not one of us. http://www.cobracares.com/ members are far more likely to be found traveling in http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6549/dragoncon20070104hi1.jpg for starters (this shot is about half of us that were at D*Con). A single Cobra soldier waltzing around by himself is just asking for trouble. Our strength lies in numbers!
A couple years ago we even headed up the D*Con parade. Plus? We've got http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1241/1316902718_74db1126b2.jpg?v=0 to help with recruitment. Who can argue with cheerleaders?
Posted by: fistandantilus3.0 Sep 6 2007, 12:22 PM
Crit, which one's you in the pic?
Posted by: Fortune Sep 6 2007, 12:28 PM
The one in the middle, with the mask and hat?
Posted by: eidolon Sep 6 2007, 01:56 PM
That's pretty sweet. 
Posted by: Wounded Ronin Sep 6 2007, 09:49 PM
...so awesome. Now I really wish I could watch the old cartoons.
Posted by: mfb Sep 6 2007, 10:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=salometoy&search_query=GI+Joe&search=Search
Posted by: Wounded Ronin Sep 6 2007, 11:39 PM
| QUOTE (mfb) |
| http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=salometoy&search_query=GI+Joe&search=Search |
My terrible Micronesian internet connection. That being said I'll still try and load a few up.
Thanks for the link. I can hardly wait to try and sample this forbidden fruit which my parents tried so hard to defend me from back when I was a little kid.
Posted by: Critias Sep 7 2007, 05:02 AM
| QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) |
| Crit, which one's you in the pic? |
Under the pic linked to with "packs," I'm the one on the far right (as you look at the image). The one with his finger on the trigger guard, rather than on the trigger, for anyone used to looking for that sort of thing.
Most of our pictures from this year (to the tune of ~800 or so, last I checked) aren't on-line yet. They're all sitting on my wife's laptop, slowly but surely being renamed, resized, turned right-side-up, etc, etc. The stuff I'm finding on-line so far is either old stuff (on the Cobra Cares website) or random photos from other con-goers that we've found on flickr and junk.
But, anyways. Yeah. I like to think that, if nothing else, such photographs show just what scale of GI Joe geeks my friends and I are, and as such how much attention we've been paying to all the rumors of the upcoming film. And y'all can't even see the temporary tattoos or stickers or anything else we've ahd made on photos this size. Or the "CBRA 21" vanity plate one of my buddies has. Or the actual tattoo another guy has.
Posted by: Fortune Sep 7 2007, 05:04 AM
Then why haven't you said something about it before now?
Posted by: Critias Sep 7 2007, 05:09 AM
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| Then why haven't you said something about it before now? |
'Cause I wasn't sure what the GI Joe flick had to do with gaming, I guess?
Posted by: Fortune Sep 7 2007, 05:12 AM
Well, it has guns ... that's less tenuous than some other connections we've both seen. 
Posted by: fistandantilus3.0 Sep 7 2007, 05:23 AM
@ Crit - awesome man. GI Joe and general gaming connections? Get hyzmarca or WOunded Ronin started on it. I'd love to see Cobra Commander stats.
Posted by: Critias Sep 7 2007, 05:23 AM
And code names. And ninjas!
Posted by: Hocus Pocus Sep 11 2007, 12:08 AM
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| So, since Transformers did so well, I guess the powers-that-be are looking for new fodder ... http://www.insomniacmania.com/news_default.php?id=3743 http://imdb.com/title/tt1046173/ doesn't want to play unless I pay though. |
brace yourself forty, scuttlebutt says that it ain't even gonna be G.I. Joe but modeled after the european version called action force. I didn't know of such a thing until i saw it on youtube a few days back. horrible it is. It's like eating prime rib and being fed by two hot 18 year old bi curious catholic schoolgirls that will do anything you wish, compared to selma and patty feeding you german patato salad! check out the intros to the show and the movie
check it
show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ueHzMwxt0 version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1RBEqRt52Y version
movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN034sBeF4c&mode=related&search= version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRf4c-p6VWg&mode=related&search=
man yet another thing they want to water down to make it more appealing to international audiences. One of the cartoons I grew up with, land-o-lakes! where is my hippie strength mace and baton?
Posted by: Fortune Sep 11 2007, 12:21 AM
Sucks!
Posted by: Wounded Ronin Sep 15 2007, 02:52 AM
| QUOTE (mfb) |
| http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=salometoy&search_query=GI+Joe&search=Search |
I am dilligently watching these episodes. I'm just polishing off episode 3.
I have to say: it really *is* military propaganda! As much as I'm enjoying watching right now I actually am sort of glad I didn't watch the show when I was a little kid.
Posted by: hyzmarca Sep 15 2007, 05:11 AM
The DIC episodes sucked horribly compared to the Sunbow episodes. The best was There's No Place Like Springfield, the two-part season 1 finale of which about 80% was dedicated to the sadistic, brutal, and elaborate psychological torture of a P.O.W. by Cobra, using painful mind-probe machines and an entire town full of Synthoids pretending to be his friends and family while occasionally trying to kill him and melting into puddles of goo and then going back to normal as if nothing has happened.
I'd love to see a perfectly exact live-action rendition of the original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN034sBeF4c It would be particularly good for the new film since it would require them to sign on Sergent Slaughter.
Posted by: Adarael Sep 15 2007, 05:19 AM
Jesus, I remember that one. It freaked me the hell out as a kid.
Posted by: Counter Weight Mar 12 2008, 07:24 PM
Cool pictures Critias, I had no idea there was such a loyal following out there. (Even after talking with Bull on several occasions.) I'd love to get to one of these Cons one of these days-damnedable jorb and it's damned rotating days, and mandatory overtime.
I just picked up most of the GI Joe books done by DDP the other day, and I am looking forward to reading them-being a fan of the original Marvel series, and of course growing up with the toys and the cartoons! I'd like to hope they'll make a good play at a GI Joe movie, but it just doesn't seem ready to happen yet.
Posted by: Blodgett Mar 13 2008, 02:09 PM
If you look around there is a partial cast list that includes Scarlette, Road Block, Cobra Commander, the Baroness and a few others
Posted by: Wesley Street Mar 21 2008, 02:53 PM
Well, I don't know if this movie is going to be any good or not but at the very least Snake-Eyes LOOKS like Snake-Eyes: http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/03/20/first-look-snake-eyes-from-gi-joe/
Posted by: Backgammon Mar 22 2008, 02:44 AM
OMG me too. I was disturbed for YEARS. Ahh the 80s.
Posted by: Bull Mar 22 2008, 10:05 AM
A lot of the early reports immediately following the greenlighting of the movie was... Terrible. Fortunately, everything in the last few months has given me a lot of hope.
Ray Park as Snake Eyes. Kick Ass Martial Artist and doesn't need to speak? This is the role that Park was born to play 
Posted by: Critias Mar 22 2008, 04:33 PM
I'm fine with Ray Park as Snake Eyes (perfect casting, IMO, and the first costumed shots I've seen of him look badass). I'm fine with Quaid as General Hawk. He's among my favorite actors (in the "reliably gives a solid performance but not often remarkable" category), he's the right age, and I could buy him as a grizzled but still kick-ass old officer. I was thrilled when I heard Larry Hama was on board. He's The Master, hands down. Those comics shaped me in likely unhealthy ways, instilling in me a profound respect for our men and women in uniform, an insane fear of ninjas, and an uncanny sense of small unit tactics for my age at the time I read them.
But.
I'm...just not feelin' it. Baroness is a blonde (and in the first screenshots, she IS a blonde, right there at a serviceman's funeral). The kid playing Duke looks like an extra on Dawson's Creek, not one of America's finest NCO's. It just looks bad.
I imagine I'll like Ray Park and Dennis Quaid's screen time, out of the...what? Twelve, fifteen, character that are likely to share the movie with them significantly? So, uhh, yeah. About one sixth of the time, I guess I'll be happy.
Though I am thinking of showing up at the theatre in my bluesuit. 
Posted by: Bull Mar 23 2008, 08:21 AM
If you do, you totally need to get pics and post them
Dammit. This is making me want to buy more toys. I've been avoiding the 25th anniversary stuff like the plague cause I have NO more freaking room for Joe stuff, but... Grrr. 
Posted by: Critias Mar 23 2008, 09:15 AM
One of my buddies (also in the 21st) has been making "custom 25th anniversary" figures of a bunch of us. He's way into the modeling/painting side of wargaming, and has been buying extras of certain figurines and then modding them up (with goatees, cigarettes, alternate paint schemes, whatever) to make 'em match us. It's been pretty cool stuff, and I've been impressed with the quality of figurine (even before he got his paws on 'em).
So far, though, I've also been able to resist the sweet siren's call of buying anything. Largely because I just don't know where I'd put them.
Posted by: fistandantilus4.0 Mar 23 2008, 03:20 PM
*cries softly*
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Mar 23 2008, 07:39 PM
Cool dragoncon pics, heh it's bad that I recognized y'all were eating at the Vortex before I saw the picture of the front door. Man, that brings back memories of that place, it's been years since I've eaten there. Maybe I'll go to dragoncon again one of these days.
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