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Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 1 2008, 02:29 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/large_trailer2.html
I am as far from a Ironman fan as you can comfortably get and still like comics... and yet, and yet every new trailer they release leaves me with a huge shit eating grin. What is wrong with me?!
Further analysis reveals that my subconscious considers this the Starship Troopers movie I wish had been made.
Posted by: Fabe Apr 2 2008, 12:13 AM
Son of a crap, that never even crossed my mind. We need a
"remake' of Starship Troopers only this time done right, full power suit, no pretty boys to bring in the teen age girls,lose the tact on romance, give the bug their technology back, add the skinnies now that would be proper adaptation.
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 2 2008, 01:12 AM
I'd settle for "powered body armor" and "Cap Troopers aren't huge poorly trained pussies" would be nice too.
But yeah, it'd be nice if they'd follow the book, at least make an effort.
Posted by: bibliophile20 Apr 2 2008, 03:31 AM
I am as far from a Ironman fan as you can comfortably get and still like comics... and yet, and yet every new trailer they release leaves me with a huge shit eating grin. What is wrong with me?!
Because this movie will be sheer awesomeness if they pull it off right, that's why.
Posted by: Cthulhudreams Apr 2 2008, 04:02 AM
The iron man trailers look fucking great. I hope that they really do bust people in the face to the beats of sabbath as well.
Posted by: Adarael Apr 2 2008, 05:27 AM
Out of curiosity, why do you hate Iron Man?
I ask since I am on the opposite end of the spectrum, and am a huge fan of Mr. Stark and his magical beat you down suits.
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 2 2008, 05:39 AM
Oh it's nothing in particular, I fully admit that I simply have an irrational dislike of the (make believe) man 
I think it's because I've never picked up a good run of Ironman and as a result I've never been motivated to go out and find good runs. I'm also one of those late bloomer comic geeks that never really got into them as a kid and has only discovered them now that he has the money and mobility to seek out good works. As such I don't have all these fond memories of Ironman in the same way I have of Ghostbusters or Tail Spin.
Than they did the whole "Civil War" arc, which I followed ocassionally and that just cemented my "Tony Stark is a total tool box alcoholic."
But generally speaking I fully admit that I hate Mr. Stark because I need someone to dislike and not because there is something inherently wrong with the material.
And yeah, I too am a fan of the powered suits of ultimate whup ass. They please me... They please me greatly.
Posted by: apollo124 Apr 2 2008, 06:33 AM
I hadn't seen that particular trailer until just now. I am SO ready to see this movie! 
Posted by: Dr. John Desmond Apr 2 2008, 02:02 PM
At first I had real reservations about Rober Downey Jr as Tony Stark, the I heard him doing the dialog and I was hooked. Granted you can't build a movie off snarky one liners... well Joss Whedon can, but in this new trailer when he is talking about protecting the people he puts into harms way, I am really hoping it will be a character (quality of the person) driven picture similar to elements of the first spiderman. Besides how can you argue with
Reporter: Mr Stark what do you say to your nickname "the Da Vinci of our time"?
Tony: That's absurd, I don't paint.
Reporter: The what about your other nickname the Merchant of Death"?
Tony: Thats not bad. 
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 2 2008, 02:40 PM
I am going to be incredibly bitter of this movie sucks... Almost as bitter as I still am about Starship Troopers.
I still applaud Holywood for cracking the "Comic Movie's That's Don't Suck" code. It's about damn time.
Posted by: Spike Apr 2 2008, 04:19 PM
Since Starship Troopers gets name checked a half dozen times:
You do realize that the director hated the theme of the book and satirized it completely. Its a parody of Heinlen.
that said, me and the girl are warring. She's miraculously developed a hatred of Black Sabbath since the very first trailer.
Not that I'm a huge 'Iron Man' fan, comic wise, but the trailers make me giddly as a schoolgirl.
Posted by: swirler Apr 2 2008, 04:32 PM
holy crap
I had been avoiding trailers, cause thats what I do
but man!!
I am so jazzed about this now
Im not a huge IM fan but I like him.
the last several comic movies have been less than inspiring
Posted by: MYST1C Apr 2 2008, 07:25 PM
In fact, Verhoeven admitted not ever having read the book completely as he got "bored and depressed" (quote from IMDb).
And AFAIK the movie originally had nothing to do with Starship Troopers but was called "Bug Hunt on Planet P" - only when production had already started Verhoeven learned of Heinleins somewhat similar-themed book and aquired the license...
Posted by: HullBreach Apr 2 2008, 08:02 PM
I am pretty pumped about this as well. It looks like weve got three decent Comic based films coming up: Iron Man, the new Batman flick, and the sequel to HellBoy.
By the way, I'd like to see John Steakleys Armor (which Heinlein borrowed from when writing Starship troopers, the two were freinds) made into a film. Talk about a psycological mind-fuck of a film, it would be incredible with the right actor.
Posted by: swirler Apr 2 2008, 09:21 PM
actually Hulk looks interesting
im not sure if I'm sold on it, but well we'll see if it is better than the last one
I will Miss Jennifer Connelly though
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 2 2008, 09:57 PM
I'm aware of the sordid story that was the making of Starship Troopers. I can even accept someone satirizing one of my favorite books.
I cannot accept that someone would pass up a chance to make a movie about powered body armor and talking hand grenades.
Bastards... bastards all.
Posted by: Dr. John Desmond Apr 3 2008, 12:17 AM
The onlu thing I did not like about the Iron Man Trailers was the use of the song Iron Man.... I know I will be lynched for that, but I found it just a bit tacky.
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 3 2008, 02:27 AM
Eh, it only plays for a couple of seconds. Otherwise they win points but using Audioslave...
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Apr 3 2008, 02:35 AM
Heinlein borrowed, what? Heinlein published starship troopers back in '59. Steakley published his Armor book in '84. On top of that Steakley was born on '51.
Posted by: Crusher Bob Apr 3 2008, 08:53 AM
Ow, my brain.
They already made a Vampires movie, which is basically the same story as armor (even with the same characters, Felix and Crow are the main chars of Vampires), but with vampires instead. It sucked.
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 4 2008, 10:07 AM
I hope that wasn't a pun...
Posted by: Critias Apr 4 2008, 01:36 PM
They already made a Vampires movie, which is basically the same story as armor (even with the same characters, Felix and Crow are the main chars of Vampires), but with vampires instead. It sucked.
Well, the flick (a John Carpenter butchering of Steakley's book) was actually based on Vampire$, not Armor. But, yes, there are a few familiar character names in it.
Posted by: Whipstitch Apr 4 2008, 11:41 PM
I love rock music more than is healthy and even I think Audioslave is bland. I thought the tiny bit of Iron Man at the end was perfect, honestly. It would have been obnoxious if they drove it into the ground, but they didn't. Both songs worked well given the context.
Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 5 2008, 07:09 AM
Well Audioslave it's not exactly Lamb of God but I do enjoy them as part of a well rounded musical diet.
Posted by: Snow_Fox Apr 15 2008, 02:41 AM
Downy playing a recovering alcholic ner-do well, yeah it's a stretch. Actuallym ost of the ocmmercials didn't do anything for me. OK I'm not the target demographic but they looked so- so with the typical James Horner type score.
THEN
I saw the commercial on Sci-fi, that didn't have the James Horner score. It had him flying between two jets and then they hit the cords from Ozzie. THAT, I liked
Posted by: hyzmarca Apr 16 2008, 07:09 AM
I think it's because I've never picked up a good run of Ironman and as a result I've never been motivated to go out and find good runs. I'm also one of those late bloomer comic geeks that never really got into them as a kid and has only discovered them now that he has the money and mobility to seek out good works. As such I don't have all these fond memories of Ironman in the same way I have of Ghostbusters or Tail Spin.
Than they did the whole "Civil War" arc, which I followed ocassionally and that just cemented my "Tony Stark is a total tool box alcoholic."
But generally speaking I fully admit that I hate Mr. Stark because I need someone to dislike and not because there is something inherently wrong with the material.
And yeah, I too am a fan of the powered suits of ultimate whup ass. They please me... They please me greatly.
Iron Man is a total tool box jerkass alcoholic. That's just his character. But Civil War just butchered him, mainly by having him act so totally evil and incompetent for the purpose of shoehorning a summer blockbuster crossover that didn't make a darn lick of sense.
For good Ironman runs, I'll recommend two of my favorites, the recent Ironman: Hypervelocity miniseries and the later-80s /early 90s series in which the womanizing Stark gets shot by a pissed off girlfriend and if paralyzed from the waist down.
Posted by: Critias Apr 16 2008, 07:47 AM
The video game for this flick is looking pretty solid, too.
I'd link to a trailer and some interviews and junk I watched at home yesterday, but I can't open those web sites here from work. A quick google or something should find it, for those who're interested.
Oh, and +1 on the "Civil War might have killed Cap, but it buttfucked Iron Man" stuff. The character's pretty much just been ruined for an awful lot of us.
Posted by: Connor Apr 21 2008, 03:43 AM
For good Ironman runs, I'll recommend two of my favorites, the recent Ironman: Hypervelocity miniseries and the later-80s /early 90s series in which the womanizing Stark gets shot by a pissed off girlfriend and if paralyzed from the waist down.
The second series you mention was the one that turned me into a huge Iron Man fan back then as a kid. I was only briefly in to comics (a couple of years), but my love of Iron Man has stuck with me even though I don't keep up on the workings.
Hopefully they pull the movie off.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus Apr 21 2008, 05:34 AM
With G.I. Joe being hippiefied I can not in good consciene see it. So all my hopes rest with my favorite comic book character IRON MAN!
not too keen on doweny jr being stark, but since he has a drug problem and stark a booze problem I guess he could relate. From the priviews I think they are doing IM justice, looks pretty good. lol, he rich and has a hot chick for every day of the week, that lucky SOB.
Posted by: wanderer_king Apr 22 2008, 10:11 AM
I can't wait to see it.... Iron Man was my second favorite comic as a kid... Ghost Rider was my first...
As for Starship Troopers, I always thought that they had named it after the Heinlien book after they couldn't get movie rights from Warhammer 40k. It felt like some games I have watched (Nids vs Guard.)
Posted by: Earlydawn Apr 28 2008, 04:04 PM
That HUD is way awesome.
Posted by: Tobias May 2 2008, 10:40 AM
Watched it last night. I found it quite enjoyable.
Posted by: Seriphen May 2 2008, 09:04 PM
I was very good. The armored suits are also depicted very well. I enjoyed it a lot.
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 3 2008, 12:19 AM
ZOMG ROBERT DOWNEY JR!!!!
Yeah, I can't wait for it to come out over here or at least on my base. My wheelman went on leave and now I can't get around for shit.
Booo Madrigan! Boooo!
Posted by: Stahlseele May 3 2008, 10:32 PM
reporting in from the front
i just watched the movie . .
nothing too spoilery, but just in case . .
Posted by: hyzmarca May 4 2008, 10:12 AM
It isn't Ultimate Iron Man. Ultimate Iron Man is a teenager and doesn't have shrapnel in his heart. It is Ultimate Nick Fury, which is a good thing considering that Samuel L. Jackson is substantially more baddass than David Hastlehoff.
The Afganistan thing is pretty much comics canon now, anyway, due to the sliding time scale. Originally, Stark was wounded in Korea during the Korean War and was in his late 30s/early 40s. He's still in his late 30s/early 40s.
Posted by: Patrick Goodman May 4 2008, 08:46 PM
Tony was originally injured in Vietnam, not Korea.
And I like seeing a 40-something superhero (Downey's all of a year older than I am). The movie was incredibly, incredibly cool. It will be mine upon DVD release.
Posted by: Fuchs May 4 2008, 09:21 PM
And I like seeing a 40-something superhero (Downey's all of a year older than I am). The movie was incredibly, incredibly cool. It will be mine upon DVD release.
Yep.
Posted by: Daier Mune May 4 2008, 09:48 PM
never been a fan of comic book superheroes, but this was a good movie. in all honesty, though, the movie could have been an 80 minute documentary on the mechanics of the power armor and i'd have been just as entertained.
Posted by: Critias May 4 2008, 11:57 PM
*grumbles and kicks stuff* Dammit, I wanna check this flick out somethin' fierce, but all my douchebag friends are being douchebags, and are out of town and/or busy this weekend, and my wife got called into work pretty much the whole weekend at the hospital.
Is seeing the flick worth being that guy, who goes to a movie by himself?
Posted by: PBTHHHHT May 5 2008, 12:14 AM
I enjoyed the movie, didn't care if that they had to rewrite the story to afghanistan to keep up with his origins. Just gotta keep up with the times if you're gonna have it in present day time.
Posted by: hyzmarca May 5 2008, 12:16 AM
It is worth illegally downloading the Spanish version a day before it is released in the UNited States in spite of the fact that you can't understand Spanish. So I'd say that yes it is. But it is substantially better watching it with someone else. Luckily, it is also worth being that guy who watches the same movie twice in a short span of time.
My Mistake. It was Xavier who was in the Korean War.
Posted by: Stahlseele May 5 2008, 09:22 AM
i'd been the guy who goes alone, if my buddies had not showed up . . but something curious occured to me . . aside from one or two little references in the movie we did not talk about the movie afterwards somehow O.o
Posted by: KarmaInferno May 5 2008, 11:43 AM
"Okay, 10% thrust test, take one..."
<wham>
-karma
Posted by: Stahlseele May 5 2008, 04:34 PM
yes, that was funny ^^
i liked how he treated his bots basically as pets *g*
Posted by: Critias May 6 2008, 05:33 AM
This was probably the best (or maybe second best, to Spider Man 1) comic book movie I've ever seen. The new Hulk flick isn't looking too bad, I got to see a new Dark Knight trailer on the big screen, and just to top off The Summer of Geek Flicks, Indy's getting closer, too. I'm a happy fella.
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 6 2008, 05:39 AM
So it was worth being that guy? That almost makes me want to brave the 2 hour bus ride to the theater where it's being released this weekend.
Posted by: Cain May 6 2008, 05:46 AM
I was that guy, and it was a 45 minute bus ride for me. Still worth it.
Non-Spoilerish stuff:
Downey Jr. was a perfect Tony Stark. He played a drunk, irresponsible playboy to a T. (Go figure.) Jeff Bridges was unrecognizeable as himself, but he still delivered the impressive performance we expect from Jeff Bridges. Gwyneth Paltrow was a surprising, but highly effective choice as Pepper Potts, and she got to deliver one of the most memorable lines from the entire movie. In fact, the only mistake in casting was Terence Howard; he gave us less Jim Rhodes and more Cuba Gooding. He did get better as the movie went on, though.
Posted by: Critias May 6 2008, 07:46 AM
Actually, I held off and didn't go until a Monday matinee, when my wife was able to join me.
But, yes. In retrospect, I would/could/should have gone and seen it by myself, too, just to be part of the opening weekend razzle-dazzle (and to get to, y'know, see it twice). It was good enough I wouldn't have felt bad, stupid, shamed, or dorkish for having gone and seen it solo.
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 6 2008, 08:07 AM
But, yes. In retrospect, I would/could/should have gone and seen it by myself, too, just to be part of the opening weekend razzle-dazzle (and to get to, y'know, see it twice). It was good enough I wouldn't have felt bad, stupid, shamed, or dorkish for having gone and seen it solo.
But... but.. I hate bus rides...
*sigh*
Well thank god it didn't suck. I was afraid that there was a slim chance that this was going to be one of those movies where the best parts are in the trailer.
Posted by: Critias May 6 2008, 08:22 AM
Of course, while we were killing time waiting for the movie, I dropped by the Barnes and Noble at the same strip mall and picked up a few graphic novels. Upon getting home and reading the comics, I managed to re-kindle my disdain for Tony Stark and start to hate him as a character again (which the movie had pretty much washed away).
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 6 2008, 08:26 AM
Ah, well I'm glad I don't have to rush out and start reading Iron Man. I'm fairly certain I still hate the basic character but I'm going to love the movie.
Did the movie have a good ending or did it have some shitty "We are totally making a franchise out of this" ending?
Posted by: Ophis May 6 2008, 11:03 AM
Did the movie have a good ending or did it have some shitty "We are totally making a franchise out of this" ending?
The film has an ending that sets up a franchise and is pretty cool IMHO. The additional scene at the end of the credits is excellent.
Also of note is that after seeing it last night (2nd time, this one with friends after being THAT guy), I was reading Imdb and noticed that Robert Downey jr. is credited as Tony Stark in the next Hulk movie...
Posted by: Critias May 6 2008, 11:09 AM
Yeah, they're definitely setting up a few little crossover events, making for some "continuity" between the various franchises, setting things up for the Avengers.
Posted by: Cthulhudreams May 6 2008, 11:28 AM
Seriously though, they didn't use 'Iron man' the song until the end credits and even then they didnt use the vocals.
My friend and I who care about that sort of thing (the other two guys didn't know wtf we were on about) spent the entire movie going 'Come on use it now... YOU DIDN'T USE IT. YOU BASTARDS' Except quietly.
Extremely irritating.
Posted by: Tobias May 6 2008, 06:10 PM
Extremely irritating.
Yeah that was annoying. "It was like they're going to use it now.... Wait nope.... oooh now... no."
Posted by: PBTHHHHT May 6 2008, 07:58 PM
Also of note is that after seeing it last night (2nd time, this one with friends after being THAT guy), I was reading Imdb and noticed that Robert Downey jr. is credited as Tony Stark in the next Hulk movie...
It's to tie in several of the marvel movie characters so that they can bring forth the avengers movie (which is still in pre-production, who knows when that'll come out).
As for the ironman song, eh, it's been done enough in the trailers, didn't care that they did or didn't use it for the actual movie.
Posted by: Fabe May 7 2008, 01:23 AM
I missed that, mind tell me what happened ,using the spoiler code of course
Posted by: Cthulhudreams May 7 2008, 01:45 AM
It's on the youtubes in dodgy cam-o-vision, just search for 'iron man ending'
Posted by: Black Mamba May 7 2008, 02:22 AM
I thought it was friggin' brilliant, but I'm a huge Robert Downey, Jr. fan. I've been diggin' him since "Wierd Science" and "Less Than Zero."
I'm definitely gonna see it again. SFX were well done and the acting was up to snuff. Story was well paced and pretty solid. I'm definitely looking forward to the sequels.
Posted by: Fabe May 7 2008, 02:24 AM
AH thank you,I just checked it out very cool, wish I was able to catch the end when I saw it but my ride was leaving.
Posted by: Stahlseele May 7 2008, 09:47 PM
don't anybody tell me you did not see this coming . .
Iron Man 2 announced for a release on April 30, 2010
Matthew Vaughn’s Thor is set for a release on June 4, 2010
Captain America will kick off the summer of 2011 on May 6 2011
The Avengers scheduled for July 2011.
Posted by: fistandantilus4.0 May 8 2008, 01:09 AM
At least it'll be before the Awakening.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus May 9 2008, 03:00 AM
I plan on seeing tomorrow. the wife has twarted me thrice last week. but I'm determined to see it tomorrow, so much so that I might take off work a little bit early
SUPERIOR TECH!
Posted by: Hocus Pocus May 10 2008, 03:39 AM
woot! finally saw it today. Great movie!
i recomend seeing it. I give it 5 thumbs up!
Posted by: Hocus Pocus May 15 2008, 05:28 AM
nobody talking about the easter eggs?
Posted by: Stahlseele May 15 2008, 08:17 AM
iron man is kinda funny in that aspect . . nobody really talks about it, even if they have seen it O.o
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 15 2008, 11:49 AM
Damn you all! Soon! SOON I shall have my Iron Man viewage!
Posted by: Moon-Hawk May 15 2008, 05:20 PM
You still haven't seen it? I hope you don't mind if I point and laugh.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus May 15 2008, 11:02 PM
dude man take a flight back here to see it right now!
Posted by: Cain May 16 2008, 01:37 AM
Give him a break, he's not even on US soil. He deserves at least one more week before we can mock him properly.
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 16 2008, 01:56 AM
The worst part is that when I finally do get to see it, I'll be watching it on "built by the lowest bidder" screens and "I think we still have 2 speakers that work" sound.
*Cries*
I hate you all, I hope you all appreciate the sacrifices I make for your freedom.
*ducks and weaves*
Posted by: Stahlseele May 16 2008, 08:59 AM
heh, i watched it in the biggest cinema, on the biggest screen in the whole of hamburg . . and it's still not something worth talking about somehow O.o
it's a good and funny action-flick, but nothing more x.x . .
Posted by: Critias May 16 2008, 09:01 AM
Not true.
It was also a 10% increase in the price of Marvel stock.
Posted by: Moon-Hawk May 16 2008, 06:01 PM
As a matter of fact, I do. Very much.
And I hope my mocking and derision was taken in the good-natured way that it was intended.
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 18 2008, 12:00 AM
Hehe... The day that I stop going to work because somebody made fun of me on DS, is the day I turn in my organs of reproduction.
But seriously, ya'll suck for living in the states during the Summer of Movie Awesomeness. It's rolling into typhoon season out here and our mobility is going to be greatly reduced if things start to get rough. *Points to his flak and kevlar in his ambulance*.
We had a freakin tornado last year. No you heard that right, a tornado. It was ridiculous.
Posted by: hyzmarca May 18 2008, 06:44 AM
Incidentally, Speed Racer is out now, as well. The vast majority of critics say it sucks. I say that it is the Citizen Kane of out time.
Posted by: fistandantilus4.0 May 18 2008, 07:01 AM
I feel your pain Doc. I'm going into the Navy in two weeks. Missing a lot of great movies that will be coming out because of boot and the like. No Batman, no Mummy 3, no, well you get the idea.
Posted by: PBTHHHHT May 19 2008, 05:43 PM
*Cries*
I hate you all, I hope you all appreciate the sacrifices I make for your freedom.
*ducks and weaves*
We appreciate it, in fact, if you're ever in DC, lemme know, I'll treat ya to a steak dinner.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus May 19 2008, 10:11 PM
I am Iron Man!
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 19 2008, 11:57 PM
I am on DUTY when Iron Man plays at my base!!!
THERE IS NO JUSTICE!
Maybe I can uhm... restation on ambulance at the theater... for uhm... training. Urban, extrication training lasting... oh 2 hours or so...
With popcorn.
@PBTHHHHT=Free steak? You freakin rock man.
Posted by: PBTHHHHT May 20 2008, 05:43 AM
ayup, free steak, good thing I can afford it, the steak is cheaper here than where you are...
oh by the way, to keep this relevant...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlLeCu63HCA
The video is funny and get me hyped for the summer movies.
and this is part 2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiBhLayXlwA
Heh heh
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 20 2008, 06:13 AM
I'd imagine so, there are a few places to pick up a good steak on island but it's certainly not like back in the states where I can roll down to Costco and pick up 4 steaks the size of my head for a couple of bucks.
*sigh*
I have seen a place that served a ~120 dollar stake. To this day we have no idea what the hell made it so expensive (my buddy said it wasn't Kobe, or at least it was listed seperately. Super kobe? Dikoted kobe?)
Posted by: PBTHHHHT May 20 2008, 06:38 AM
*sigh*
I have seen a place that served a ~120 dollar stake. To this day we have no idea what the hell made it so expensive (my buddy said it wasn't Kobe, or at least it was listed seperately. Super kobe? Dikoted kobe?)
Hmm... so it's like shadowrun world where real meat like beef will be more expensive.
Posted by: DocTaotsu May 20 2008, 06:49 AM
...and krill and soy are plentiful. Actually it is very much a shadowrun world in that respect
Posted by: WhiteWolf May 29 2008, 08:12 PM
Doc you are lucky. When I was in the Navy stationed on mainland Japan, early 90's, we had to wait almost a year to a year and a half before we were able to see the new movies. But I still sympathies with you. OH and I would kill for some authentic Japanese Ramin Noodles!!! KILL!!! 
Kobe is a very expensive, and from I have been told, very good piece of beef. The beef is very tender and is suppose to almost melt off your fork. The way Kobe beef is made is sad though. They take a cow and put them in a stall from birth, and that cow never leaves that stall; never. The cows are fed special nutrients to help build the muscle/meat, if I remember correctly.
I was dating a Japanese woman back then who wanted me to meet her family, and the place her family wanted to take me was a Kobe restaurant. We never went because I was stupid and broke up with her. 
I felt Ironman was done just as well as Spiderman, so if you enjoyed the Spiderman movie I think you will enjoy the Ironman movie.
Posted by: PBTHHHHT May 29 2008, 08:53 PM
Dude, you're mixing up your news of how kobe beef is done with what they do with some practices for veal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/6345289.stm
From the news about kobe beef, they get sake and beer in their diet and get massages also.
The never leaving the stall situation is more the stuff I've heard/read about how calves are raised for veal, they're in a tiny stall and never leave.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus Jun 26 2008, 03:05 AM
he went over 300 million domestic. go Iron Man! you da man!
Posted by: apollo124 Jun 26 2008, 04:28 AM
Been there, done that, with the serving overseas and not getting the movies until after they've hit the third run markets, so I totally relate to you guys in the service.
I was "that guy" the first time I went to see Iron Man, and the 2nd time I took my 12 year old nephew. We both enjoyed it quite a bit. I so want Tony's tech (and the stewardesses:)). Pepper was hot too, and Jarvis was a riot. I want him running my house. Liked the update to Afghanistan, as someone said it fits the current world situation. Nephew asked me when it was coming out on DVD, and when I told him probably by Christmas, he said "That'd make a great Christmas gift, Uncle Mike!" Hint taken.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus Jun 29 2008, 04:05 PM
stewardesses ftw!
Posted by: Rad Jul 1 2008, 10:16 AM
It says something about the awesomeness of this movie that, by the time you leave the theater, uber-hot pole-dancing stewardesses are the last thing on your mind.
It took independent verification to convince me I had heard right when Jackson said "Avenger Initiative". Given the unparalleled awesomeness of that movie (kicks spider man 1 squarely in the thorax) the concept of a full on avengers film done with the same quality was too perfect a thing for my mind to accept.
Lets hope they don't fuck it up.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 1 2008, 03:32 PM
Nick Fury is NOT black . . nuff said . .
Posted by: Wesley Street Jul 1 2008, 05:01 PM
http://www.comicvine.com/nick-fury/29-3202/earth-1610-nick-fury/108-50/24494-nick-fury/105-75759/ http://www.comicvine.com/nick-fury/29-3202/earth-1610-nick-fury/108-50/144245-nick-fury/105-75761/ http://www.comicvine.com/nick-fury/29-3202/earth-1610-nick-fury/108-50/108972-nick-fury/105-395773/. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: Trigger Jul 2 2008, 08:55 AM
The awesomeness of Samuel L. Jackson playing a version of a character that was based off of Samuel L. Jackson is something that this world is not prepared for.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 2 2008, 12:50 PM
ultimate continuity does not count!
it does not exist!
i reject that reality and substitute my own!
Posted by: Wesley Street Jul 2 2008, 02:55 PM
You can bury your head in the sand but Ultimate continuity is the future of Marvel film franchises. Get on the train, big guy!
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 2 2008, 09:45 PM
but i don't wanna ;_;
in ultimate continuity, CABLE is WOLVERINE FROM THE FUTURE . . if i ain't getting things mixed up again somewhere . .
and Cable is STILL Jean Grey(Phoenix) and Scott Summers(Cyclops) son . . SO WOLVERINE WOULD SOMEHOW BE THE SON OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX x.x . .
Posted by: Trigger Jul 2 2008, 10:32 PM
in ultimate continuity, CABLE is WOLVERINE FROM THE FUTURE . . if i ain't getting things mixed up again somewhere . .
and Cable is STILL Jean Grey(Phoenix) and Scott Summers(Cyclops) son . . SO WOLVERINE WOULD SOMEHOW BE THE SON OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX x.x . .
Oh the Oedipus complex! Oh the fanfiction!
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Jul 11 2008, 07:11 PM
I might as well start watching daytime soaps, with all this convoluted stuff in the comics... sheeesh.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 11 2008, 07:58 PM
try mapping out the family-tree some time . . you will need 4-dimensional sheets of paper . .
Posted by: Rad Jul 12 2008, 02:37 AM
in ultimate continuity, CABLE is WOLVERINE FROM THE FUTURE . . if i ain't getting things mixed up again somewhere . .
and Cable is STILL Jean Grey(Phoenix) and Scott Summers(Cyclops) son . . SO WOLVERINE WOULD SOMEHOW BE THE SON OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX x.x . .
...
...seriously?
Someone needs to go "berzerker rage" on those writers, man. The "artist" who traced and altered magazine covers was bad enough.
Back to the subject, Iron Man kicks ass, no matter what anti-cannon madness they put in the film...
...wait, doesn't Anti-Cannon sound like one of Stark's weapon designs? Like a big, shoulder-fired positron bazooka or something?
>runs off to start a "Put Anti-Cannons in Iron Man II" petition<
Posted by: Critias Jul 12 2008, 05:53 AM
in ultimate continuity, CABLE is WOLVERINE FROM THE FUTURE . . if i ain't getting things mixed up again somewhere . .
and Cable is STILL Jean Grey(Phoenix) and Scott Summers(Cyclops) son . . SO WOLVERINE WOULD SOMEHOW BE THE SON OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX x.x . .
It's one or the other, man. They're two seperate universes. Stop thinking of them as the same place, filled with the same characters. Don't mix the two up, you'll just give yourself a headache and confuse the issue. Never forget the two universes are different, the characters of the two universes are different, and (especially) the backstories of all the characters in the two universes are different.
In 616 (main) continuity, Cable is the child of Scott Summers/Cyclops, and Madelyne Prior/Goblin Queen (a clone of Jean Grey).
In the Ultimates continuity, Cable is Wolverine from the future. No relation to Scott Summers. No relation to Prior. No relation to Grey.
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Jul 14 2008, 01:01 AM
In 616 (main) continuity, Cable is the child of Scott Summers/Cyclops, and Madelyne Prior/Goblin Queen (a clone of Jean Grey).
In the Ultimates continuity, Cable is Wolverine from the future. No relation to Scott Summers. No relation to Prior. No relation to Grey.
It's like the different Tenchi Muyo series, all with different timelines... noooo.... my mind explodes!
Posted by: hyzmarca Jul 14 2008, 01:38 AM
The original idea was to create a new simpler timeline to attract new readers who would be turned off by 60+ years of continuity and retcons spanning multiple titles such that you need to read thousands of books to understand expactly what's going on and even then it probably won't make any sense.
For what its worth, they've done their part pretty well. The Ultimate Universe is more streamlined than 616, though it is becoming more and more convoluted as Ultimate X-Men, Ultimate Spider Man, and Ultimate Fantastic Four get up there in the numbers and universe-shaking crossover miniseries are added.
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Jul 14 2008, 01:43 AM
For what its worth, they've done their part pretty well. The Ultimate Universe is more streamlined than 616, though it is becoming more and more convoluted as Ultimate X-Men, Ultimate Spider Man, and Ultimate Fantastic Four get up there in the numbers and universe-shaking crossover miniseries are added.
Oh I know, I've been collecting the Ultimate Spiderman series and collected a few of the hardcover collections of Ultimate Xmen. I never got into the Fantastic Four one, but I enjoyed the first bit of Ultimate Avengers, though really, the twist with the Black Widow? Bummer, I liked her character.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 14 2008, 11:52 AM
i feel your pain brother x.x . .
i once actually tried to make a chart which showed the connections between certain story lines . . hence me saying one would need 4 dimensional paper for this stuff x.x
Posted by: Fuchs Jul 14 2008, 12:04 PM
Sidetrack: There was one paper once where someone connected all the crossovers between non-cartoon TV series.
Here's the http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.pdf.
Here's the http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/cross_key.pdf.
So, all those series share one universe, and it's all imagined by an autist kid.
Posted by: DocTaotsu Jul 15 2008, 04:09 PM
Finally got to see Iron Man and... yeah, full of awesome.
I'm actually looking forward to a sequel. If only to see an all up Iron Man whup the crap out of something besides a Bigger Suit.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 16 2008, 01:28 PM
next time you see him, he will get to fight the hulk i'd wager . .
by the way, anybody notice Mr. Tony Stark walk up to the General Ross in Hulk 2 at the very end after the screen goes black and tells him that they are "assembling" a Team?
between hulk and ironman there's Cap America and Thor coming out . . and yes, there will be more hints in them to the Avengers Initiative movie
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Jul 16 2008, 10:33 PM
and it'll be yet another origins movie as they assemble the team...
Ah well, it'll still be fun.
Posted by: Hocus Pocus Jul 17 2008, 03:12 AM
go Iron Man!
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 17 2008, 04:36 PM
wonder why they did not start assembling the team after X-Men 1 to 3 . .
nah, not really *g*
i have my hopes high for the wolverine movie O.o
Posted by: Critias Jul 18 2008, 06:00 PM
Because they couldn't. Marvel had a more complicated system in place (up until Iron Man) where it wasn't directly producing any of it's films, for a long time. All the Spider Man movies, all the X-Men flicks, etc? Marvel was splitting that money a lot of ways, and only getting a small piece of the pie for themselves.
Part of a result of that was no cross-pollination (for lack of a better term). They would license out very specific characters to very specific production companies for very specific movies, and that was it. You couldn't have Nick Fury show up at the end of Iron Man, because the movie company hadn't paid the license for the character Nick Fury (or, if they HAD paid for his license, they then could have made a NICK FURY: SHIELD'S MY BITCH movie without anyone from Marvel being involved in it in any way).
Now?
Now they can put their characters in their movies, any old which way they want to. The film companies still set the budget for a flick, handle distribution, etc...but they're less directly involved in the movie-making itself, and Marvel's avoiding the red tape of temporary character licensing.
Crossovers abound.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 18 2008, 07:30 PM
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield
i ain't really sure if the hoff or the man with the motherfucking snakes on his motherfucking plane is the better choice . .
as for crossovers: whyt the frag do you think the avengers are? O.o
as far as i know it started out as your regular run of the mill mayor cross-over of supers against the hulk but got it's own series some time . .
Posted by: Critias Jul 19 2008, 05:45 AM
i ain't really sure if the hoff or the man with the motherfucking snakes on his motherfucking plane is the better choice . .
as for crossovers: whyt the frag do you think the avengers are? O.o
as far as i know it started out as your regular run of the mill mayor cross-over of supers against the hulk but got it's own series some time . .
I don't understand what your post has to do with my post.
I see a little part of it where you cry about Samuel L Jackson being Nick Fury again (because you aren't up to date with the Ultimates universe, because it makes your head hurt to try and understand that they're two different places).
Then I see the really confusing part in the middle, where you talk to me like I'm the stupid one, asking me what the "frag" I think the Avengers are, if not a crossover. This part I really don't get, because you're asking me a stupid question after I just got done explaining things to you that you did not know ten minutes ago.
Posted by: martindv Jul 23 2008, 08:41 PM
For what its worth, they've done their part pretty well. The Ultimate Universe is more streamlined than 616, though it is becoming more and more convoluted as Ultimate X-Men, Ultimate Spider Man, and Ultimate Fantastic Four get up there in the numbers and universe-shaking crossover miniseries are added.
Yes, but then you get Ultimate Origins--where it turns out every superhuman origin is interconnected from the Super-Soldier Serum variants (Cap, Hulk
to mutants and aliens and fourth-dimensional interlopers.
Nothing Stan Lee and Jack Kirby did in the '60s was "run of the mill." Anyway, it was created as a series because "what the hell, why not?"
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 24 2008, 12:53 PM
ok, yeah, you're right *grins*
i knew about him and his immortality serum i think . . i ain't really sure somehow @.@
Posted by: martindv Jul 24 2008, 02:36 PM
No, that's something different.
The Ultimate version was given THE super-soldier serum Cap takes later, and ... Hulks out. He eventually got better.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 24 2008, 09:24 PM
x.x
either i have to read that whole ultimate shebang some time or i'll have to make my brain believe that this ultimate nonsense does not exist at all . .
Posted by: martindv Jul 24 2008, 10:50 PM
Except for X-Men, the Ultimate line is worth reading more than most of the 616 books.
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Jul 24 2008, 11:16 PM
not sure if I liked the ultimate galactus one. And really, I hate how they changed doctor doom for the ultimate fantastic four.
I really did enjoy ultimate spiderman (still collecting the comic) and with the avengers.
Posted by: Wesley Street Aug 14 2008, 03:39 PM
Loki. The Avengers formed as an impromptu group to go up against Loki who then decided to stay together. As a counterpoint The Ultimates were a government team created in the wake of mutations and an increased threat of superhuman terrorism and crime.
With the exception of Ultimates 3, the Ultimate-series books are of better quality and less convoluted than mainstream Marvel. Ultimates 3 is embarrassingly bad.
WASP: Don't you understand, Steve? Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are in love with each other.
CAPTAIN AMERICA: Um, I don't think siblings should have sex.
WASP: Oh, Cap, you and your conservative 1940s ways.
Posted by: Stahlseele Aug 14 2008, 05:32 PM
ok, maybe i'll read it just for the trash-factor. .
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