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Posted by: Sengir Mar 12 2010, 01:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn2yCe7BAT8
I want. And someone else have mercy with them if it's another Invisible War.

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 12 2010, 05:53 PM

hmm, square enix. loved the sunglasses, but that xbox and ps3 shows up in the systems it will be available for makes me fear consolitis...

also, a prerendered sequence like that tells us zero about the actual game content.

Posted by: Blackb1rd Mar 12 2010, 08:09 PM

That was practically a highly funded trailer for shadowrun...

Posted by: Backgammon Mar 12 2010, 11:29 PM

Wow, very nice.

I too am very cautious about having high expectationsfrom a franchise game, but so far, so good!

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Mar 13 2010, 12:12 AM

Well I'm just hoping that Warren Spector will give us another good game, and that it can run on my computer.

Posted by: Fatum Mar 13 2010, 05:54 PM

Well, Deus Ex is a good franchise, and I for one trust Square Enix enough not to expect a failure.

Posted by: Sengir Mar 13 2010, 06:03 PM

But only because the original was good enough to preemptively make up for part two...

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 13 2010, 07:10 PM

part two contracted a bad case of consolitis basically. If it had a proper inventory like the first one, and maybe some basic skills (tho the selection of implants gives some level of "rpg"), it would be more acceptable i think.

Posted by: Sengir Mar 13 2010, 07:41 PM

I could have lived with the inventory, that's something a lot of good RPGs and adventures have done. Unified ammo, no books and messages, no skills, consolish gameplay et cetera were far worse.

Posted by: Dumori Mar 13 2010, 11:02 PM

Unified ammo would have beet better if some guns didnt eat it like mad...
but the game play and lack of skills where the killers for Invisable war and there where books I sware.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Mar 14 2010, 04:02 PM

And the fact that the environments were tiny, whereas the environments in the original Deus Ex were large, beautiful, and allowed for a lot of overall strategy. I think even some of the game designers admitted that the AI in 2 didn't even work very well for the tiny cramped levels they had.

Deus Ex 1's environments were modelled on real world locations and I had always been a huge fan of their New York City stages; I grew up in New York City. Deus Ex 2 just felt like arbitrary fantasyland levels.

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 14 2010, 04:26 PM

as i think about it, i suspect the unified ammo is there to please the sharpshooters, rather then the casual gamer with spray and pray tactics. This as the high powered weapons probably works wonders in the hands of the adhd tween on a sugar high that can place head shots while jump running in circles (both physically and in game). The rest will make do with the others and hope one can land enough of the spray before it runs out.

mass effect 2 have the same issue btw, to such a degree that i ended up using a power for boss fights rather then weapons, thanks to its target tracking and infinite recharge (and basically stayed behind cover while the team mates mopped up the distractions).


there was some environments in number 1 that had issues with space as well. Specifically hong kong comes to mind. But yes, overall the first game allowed for more varied tactics and retreats, tho it also sometimes made the missions damn hard to figure out as one got lost if one missed that one turn or door in the path description.

Posted by: Stahlseele Mar 14 2010, 08:07 PM

Looks good so far. If it's not too dumbed down for the joypad people, i might give it a try.

Posted by: Dumori Mar 14 2010, 08:38 PM

IIRC I was a good sot in Ivisable war but due to a bad choice of weapons for the last few lvls the game was un-beatable my huge damge guns where good but there where more high power NPCs than round to put in there skulls.

Mass effect 2 didn't have universal ammo it just had a universal ammo pick up. If you ran out for one gun you had back ups in Invsiable war you run out of ammo your out of ammo.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Mar 15 2010, 02:04 AM

IMO System Shock 2 had the true way of the jedi, where ammo was an inventory item. One of the goofy things about a lot of games nowadays is ammo is weightless and takes up no space so if you run out of ammo for one gun you just pick up another gun you hadn't been using before and somehow you now have 500 rounds for it all neatly loaded up in magazines.

Posted by: Fix-it Mar 15 2010, 04:42 AM

It's called the "freeman effect"

Posted by: Blade Mar 15 2010, 10:21 AM

The Hong Kong level didn't look even one bit like the real HK. Paris, on the other hand, was ok even though it doesn't look the same outside of the Denfert Rochereau station.

Anyway, I still think that part 2 was way too underrated. The removal of skill and the use of universal ammo didn't affect the gameplay that much for me: you could still specialize in different fields and use different tactics to get things done. And I found combat much more dynamic and fun in the second one.

Posted by: Dumori Mar 15 2010, 03:11 PM

My only problem was with the universal ammo some times gimping the game. Other thank that the ebioroments being a bit crap in places.

Posted by: Sengir Mar 15 2010, 04:01 PM

That was also true for DX 1

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 15 2010, 04:16 PM

you sure its not hammer space?

Posted by: Tanegar Mar 15 2010, 08:39 PM

System Shock 2 was brilliant in so many respects. A pity we'll not see its like again.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Mar 16 2010, 04:30 AM

Well, yes. The ammo-as-an-item thing is pretty rare in games, which I think it shouldn't be.

I like the 1.13 mod for Jagged Alliance 2 the best because they've implemented specific backpacks and tac vests with pockets, and you micromanage which magazine goes in which pocket. That's really how it ought to be. Because let's face it...if you go to the gun store and blow a lot of money on tac vests, bandoliers, etc, you'll have to eventually decide what object goes in what pocket.

Posted by: nemafow Mar 18 2010, 06:11 AM

Nice clip, I'll be keeping a R3 cybereye on this one, I really liked the original Deus Ex, didn't care much for the second though.

Posted by: Tanegar Mar 19 2010, 03:32 AM

Eh... I dunno about that. I thought JA2's inventory worked just fine, in the sense that it wasn't cumbersome and you didn't have people lugging around unrealistic amounts of gear.

On a related note JA2 Gold is now on Steam for $20. I'm strongly considering picking it up even though I still have my JA2 and Unfinished Business CDs lying about somewhere, mainly because I'm not sanguine about getting the older edition to run under Vista.

Posted by: Blade Mar 19 2010, 02:31 PM

Well, your JA2 CD version could probably be patched without any trouble to the unofficial but excellent 1.13 version.

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 19 2010, 06:35 PM

i think someone is working on a open source version of the JA2 engine.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Mar 20 2010, 12:21 AM

1.13 is much better. For one thing apparently in the original the suppression fire system is bugged so that no character may be suppressed more than once in his or her lifetime.

Posted by: Tanegar Mar 24 2010, 09:28 AM

I will seriously consider taking a break from the small mountain of games demanding my attention to reinstall JA2 and try out 1.13.

In related news http://www.gamestooge.com/2010/03/09/jagged-alliance-3-enters-development-again/ Yay?

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 24 2010, 11:05 PM

one thing i would love to see would be a JA2 with the random scenario generating ability of the JA1 multiplayer version.

i never had much love for the strategic parts of JA2, as i never was much into group rpg games.

Posted by: crash2029 Mar 26 2010, 10:23 PM

In my opinion Deus Ex is one of the greatest games ever. But I also love Invisible War. I admit that it is not one of the greatest games ever but I still think it is a very good game and I like it almost as much as DX. I know that makes me a minority but oh well.

Posted by: Mortiss Mar 28 2010, 09:22 AM

Square-Enix buy eidos some time ago, its the publisher. Its the new Eidos Montreal studio that make the game (www.eidosmontreal.com). The good they get better budget with Square behind, Eidos have work for almost 3 years on the game, give them more them to perfect it.

Too bad i fail to apply with them as a tester


(pardon my simple english, am a french canadian )

Posted by: tristanh Mar 30 2010, 02:41 AM

One can only hope. I really enjoyed the JA games. If I were able to make one, I'd redo the original System Shock game, for modern machines. I loved that game. (The CD version, with the voices)

Posted by: DVSman Apr 23 2010, 01:52 AM

Very cool! Definitely street sam / solo-ish.