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Posted by: winterhawk11 Mar 28 2006, 03:32 PM
Who needs soy when you can grow your own meat?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060327.MEAT27/TPStory/?query=meat+starter+cells
Posted by: Platinum Mar 28 2006, 03:49 PM
Yum, Smeat.
Posted by: Cray74 Mar 28 2006, 04:04 PM
So, if you grow human meat in a vat and eat it...is it cannabalism (sp)?
And would it sustain ghouls?
Posted by: Incognito Mar 28 2006, 04:16 PM
I registered today to post that very link. I got scooped! You technomancers really do have an edge in the Matrix. 
Is it too early to buy stock in NatVat?
Posted by: Platinum Mar 28 2006, 04:25 PM
We really need to get that newsfeed that adam was looking at going.
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=12048
Adam if you read this, I volunteer. (I might as well get into this somehow.)
Posted by: El_Machinae Mar 28 2006, 05:21 PM
I'd be worried about toxins accumulating due to cell death. The live animal is much more capable of keeping all the cells alive properly.
Still, it's a neat leap forward. We can't seem to get people to eat plankton (despite it being thought of as nutritious), but maybe meat will work?
Posted by: Lindt Mar 28 2006, 05:31 PM
Its certinly an interesting idea. But something on the 3rd page just kinda threw me off a little...
In 2003, scientists in the United States announced that they had successfully grown a rabbit penis in the lab.
Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Mar 28 2006, 08:29 PM
Grow your own meat? Is that not called a..."cow?"
Posted by: PBTHHHHT Mar 28 2006, 08:37 PM
| QUOTE (Lindt) |
| Its certinly an interesting idea. But something on the 3rd page just kinda threw me off a little... In 2003, scientists in the United States announced that they had successfully grown a rabbit penis in the lab. |
Well, scientist do have some perverse sense of priority on what to grow first, though I think they gotta get out of the lab more often...
Posted by: Edward Mar 29 2006, 03:46 PM
There worried about sausages and chicken nuggets that taste like meet?
Those don’t taste like meat today.
The problem I would have with the counter top version is maintaining a viable culture. Infection would be a big issue, I don’t thin anybody cleans there dishes well enough that leaving growth medium out at optimal temperature would not trigger a massive bacterial infection.
Also I think getting sausages to grow overnight is being overly optimistic on speed, muscle doesn’t grow that fast.
If they solve these problems there will be a market, you wont get total acceptance but there are people that would buy one tomorrow (sorry not m, I’m broke)
Edward
Posted by: Grinder Mar 29 2006, 04:01 PM
Sausage-trees, finally! 
Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Mar 29 2006, 04:03 PM
Edward, about the countertop version,
I imagine that a responsible company would make it a self-sealing, self-cleaning unit.
On the other hand, a corp like AZT would just market it as "BacteriYUM", and let it kill people. 
But yeah, industrial grown meat... Be a lot better than barnyard meat, eh?
Posted by: hyzmarca Mar 29 2006, 04:04 PM
| QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Mar 28 2006, 03:37 PM) | ||
Well, scientist do have some perverse sense of priority on what to grow first, though I think they gotta get out of the lab more often... |
Its a first step toward growing human penises in a lab, which is good. As far as transplants go I would be happy to accept a second-hand heart or someone else's arm should I need one.
I would not be happy with a used penis. That's something you want to get new and unopened in the original factory packaging.
There is more potential here than just food.
Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Mar 29 2006, 04:11 PM
Ahhhhhhh, gotta love the old "Play upon the human psyche's mores and mires for profit" approach to technological advancement.
That said, I happen to agree with you. >_<
Posted by: nezumi Mar 29 2006, 06:27 PM
Hmm... I dream of the day when every man has replaced his meat with something a foot and a half long, and I find I am the only one still able to copulate with other humans.
Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Mar 29 2006, 09:11 PM
Nezumi, they'll just replace every woman's digestive tract with a shorter and more efficient version, and expand her reproductive areas. 
Posted by: hyzmarca Mar 29 2006, 09:33 PM
Obviously, nezumi and Shadowdragon aren't watching the right internet porn or they would know that such extreme measures aren't required for a piddly foot and a half.
Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Mar 29 2006, 09:37 PM
Wah-hah-hah-hah-haah.
No, I've seen it. But that requires a lot of conditioning on her part to do that without splitting.
Posted by: El_Machinae Mar 29 2006, 10:15 PM
| QUOTE (nezumi) |
| Hmm... I dream of the day when every man has replaced his meat with something a foot and a half long, and I find I am the only one still able to copulate with other humans. |
Um, aren't you just going to get two of them? That seems to be the better option, doesn't it?
(ewwwww)
Posted by: Wounded Ronin Mar 29 2006, 10:22 PM
| QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) |
| Wah-hah-hah-hah-haah. No, I've seen it. But that requires a lot of conditioning on her part to do that without splitting. |
Well, soft tissue has unlimited stretching capacity. That's why phimosis can be cured by stretching, and why people who wear heavy earrings all the time get long earlobes.
So, I'm pretty sure that with stretching any custom appendage could be accomidated.
Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Mar 30 2006, 01:14 AM
I'm pretty sure the stretch limit of soft tissue is equal to it's tensile strength, IE the point at which it is easier to tear apart than to stretch.
That's when ouchies happen.
Posted by: hyzmarca Mar 30 2006, 01:50 AM
The thing about most human soft tissue is that the body makes more of it as it stretches. This is why very obese people have drastic fat reducing treatments such as liposuction end up gigantic folds of excess skin which have to be removes surgically.
Of course, the pelvis is a limiting factor in this case.
Posted by: Shanshu Freeman Mar 30 2006, 02:16 PM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
| Of course, the pelvis is a limiting factor in this case. |
If I had a nickle for every time I heard this...
Posted by: Edward Mar 30 2006, 03:28 PM
| QUOTE (Shanshu Freeman) | ||
If I had a nickle for every time I heard this... |
I am curious to the other circumstances.
Edward
Posted by: nezumi Mar 30 2006, 04:52 PM
| QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 29 2006, 05:22 PM) | ||
Well, soft tissue has unlimited stretching capacity. That's why phimosis can be cured by stretching, and why people who wear heavy earrings all the time get long earlobes. So, I'm pretty sure that with stretching any custom appendage could be accomidated. |
I suspect inserting a foot and a half of meat from between the pelvis and into the abdominal cavity WITH stretching would be dangerous and would take lots of time to prepare for. Inserting said meat without years of stretching would likely result in... dissatisfaction for one party or the other (or both). I also suspect most women are not especially interested in getting a foot and a half long vagina installed (or stretching their existing one out to that length) in order to allow us to indulge our male egos.
Posted by: ronin3338 Apr 1 2006, 09:39 PM
Wow... really, really, REALLY off topic. 
Still, manufacturing meat in your home for consumption is scary.
Joe Dropout making meat at the local McWendy King, that's gonna give me nightmares. Think about it, there'll be a commercial version before a home version, and they won't have to ship frozen patties (of whatever meat they DO use). That means your Double Whopping Cheese McGreaser is gonna be made by the flunkie in the back that you just saw picking his nose in the parking lot on his smoke break. And I don't mean cooked, I mean made with whatever "meat starter" they decide to use...
Uggh. I think I'll skip lunch today.
Posted by: hyzmarca Apr 1 2006, 09:53 PM
| QUOTE (nezumi) | ||||
I suspect inserting a foot and a half of meat from between the pelvis and into the abdominal cavity WITH stretching would be dangerous and would take lots of time to prepare for. Inserting said meat without years of stretching would likely result in... dissatisfaction for one party or the other (or both). I also suspect most women are not especially interested in getting a foot and a half long vagina installed (or stretching their existing one out to that length) in order to allow us to indulge our male egos. |
Actually, most nerve endings in the penis are in the first 1/3, same for the vagina so shallow strokes can be satasifying. For the most part length doesn't matter for that reason. Now, girth, on the other hand....
As for the potential for bad meat, that is true for any commercial process. Unless you kill it, butcher it, and cook it yourself there is no telling what you're getting. Statistically, you are far more likely to be intentionally poisioned by a home cooked meal than be accidently poisioned by a commercial meal. A little urine in the coffee usually isn't harmfull.
Posted by: SirKodiak Apr 2 2006, 12:59 AM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
| Statistically, you are far more likely to be intentionally poisioned by a home cooked meal than be accidently poisioned by a commercial meal. |
Considering that I cook my own home-cooked meals, that is either a terrifying or reassuring statistic, depending on how you look at it.
Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Apr 2 2006, 02:15 AM
I think we're worried about unintentional poisonings than intentional ones, Hyz.
Posted by: hyzmarca Apr 2 2006, 02:43 AM
| QUOTE (SirKodiak @ Apr 1 2006, 07:59 PM) | ||
Considering that I cook my own home-cooked meals, that is either a terrifying or reassuring statistic, depending on how you look at it. |
It should be reassuring. You probably won't intentionally poision yourself.
| QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) |
| I think we're worried about unintentional poisonings than intentional ones, Hyz. |
That's because you aren't paranoid enough.
Anyway, the big dangers with food aren't foreign objects, pests, or bodily fluids. The big danger is bacteria from undercooked meats and contamination of vegetables with meat bacteria by using unwashed ultinsils and cutting boards used on uncooked meat. This is more probable in home cooked food than in resturants but in resturants one mistake will cause many people to become ill instead of just one or a few. Likewise, bodily fluid contamination (often intentional) and foreign object contamination is more likely in resturants than in home. These are generally more shocking and disgusting but they are also less dangerous than bacteria.
Heavy metal contamination can be a concern because this can happen at a farm and remain undetected. This is why it is important to test farm soil for toxic heavy metals. (marijuna grown in heavy metal rich soil can cause heavy metal toxicity in people who smoke it, for example). Other toxic materials can enter food during growing or processing through accident, mishap, or negligence but it is unlikely.
Posted by: nezumi Apr 3 2006, 02:24 PM
| QUOTE (SirKodiak) | ||
Considering that I cook my own home-cooked meals, that is either a terrifying or reassuring statistic, depending on how you look at it. |
Then make sure your name doesn't appear as the primary beneficiary on your life insurance.
Posted by: De Badd Ass Apr 5 2006, 04:57 AM
| QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) | ||
Well, scientist do have some perverse sense of priority on what to grow first, though I think they gotta get out of the lab more often... |
Based on a random sampling of late-nite infomercials, I'd say those scientists are searching for the holy grail. Seems like one-outa-eight infomercials claims their product can make a penis grow. Ron Popeil has seven ways you can chop it up and cook it.
You want kraut on that dog?
Posted by: PlainWhiteSocks Jun 22 2006, 05:08 PM
In this article it said there was a group of people willing to fund a home incubator so they could grow human tissue for consumption. If that is the case then good ol Dunkies prize for coming up with edible synthetic ghoul chow could be redundant. Unless the ghouls need essence or something like it to feed from, in which case it could prove to be much more complicated. Something of a magical essence generator needed.
http://www.workopolis.com/servlet/Content/fasttrack/20060327/MEAT27?section=Biotech
Posted by: Shrike30 Jun 22 2006, 05:17 PM
Boy, this takes "Made when you order it" burgers to a whole new level...
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jun 22 2006, 07:20 PM
...this validates KK's allergy to meat flaw considering that it would make meat products more common.
"eeeeyuuuuu! [edit] "Frankenfurters", how totally gross!"
-Kyoto Kid [in character]
....man, no instant Karma for missing that one.
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