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Posted by: emo samurai Apr 9 2006, 04:17 AM

In the Aztlan sourcebook, when talking about various means of mind control available to the blood mages, Nigel writes,

Posted by: Cold-Dragon Apr 9 2006, 05:32 AM

I don't know of any, though the 3rd ed books technically had rules or finding things - you cloaked them.

I don't see a harm in permitting any sort of masking to also hid quickened spells on you - quite frankly, I'd prefer the cost of quickened not be so harsh. With them at chancy and all...But hey, they are powerful in their own way too. You may simply have to learn to be on the defensive in case of dispellers.

Posted by: emo samurai Apr 9 2006, 05:41 AM

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Posted by: Edward Apr 9 2006, 11:47 AM

Azetlan book was SR3 (of not earlier). as I understood SR3 quickening and masking you could not do that. Active spells have easily recognised (at least noticed) auras. This includes quickened spells, masking hides spells but you can only do it on yourself.

The line “become part of the subject’s aura” is not possible under any rule I have ever seen

Edward

Posted by: fistandantilus3.0 Apr 9 2006, 12:21 PM

I think Aztlan was second edition, so the masking rules may have chagned a bit from 2nd-3rd. I don't have grimoires or awakenings any more , so I can't be sure on that . Heck, in 4th edition, no where in masking does it say that it hides spells in effect or foci like it did in 3rd edition (a change I'm really not a fan of, but that's just me).

You can always hand-waive it and say that they had a better/unknown metamagic that did that I suppose. But in the text it doesn't say anything (at least in the quote) about passing an astral scan. He could have just been talking about what a regular observer would see. Can't really say for sure without the full context.

Posted by: fool Apr 9 2006, 07:09 PM

quickening is already extremely powerful, I think taht it's goood that the spells cna be blown out pretty easily.

Posted by: emo samurai Apr 9 2006, 07:39 PM

But there's, like, no reason to choose quickening over having your spirit sustain the spell themselves under my houserules and the general consensus on bound spirits sustaining spells.

Posted by: Dissonance Apr 9 2006, 11:21 PM

In SR3, tattooing metamagic resulted in a quickened spell that dispells at 2x the force.

Posted by: emo samurai Apr 9 2006, 11:42 PM

You can do that now, though. Or was there a large karmic reduction?

Posted by: Dissonance Apr 9 2006, 11:50 PM

There's no karmic reduction. In fact, learning the technique would cost more. And if Quickening gives that bonus _now_? I'd bump it up to 4x, then.

Posted by: emo samurai Apr 10 2006, 12:17 AM

Quickening allows you to add karma to the spell to allow it to have a dispelling resistance of up to 2x its force.

Posted by: Kremlin KOA Apr 10 2006, 02:09 AM

Tattooing allowed 4x force
which made Tat adepts and Tat sammies a nasty concept, esp if cash for karma was in use

Posted by: Edward Apr 10 2006, 12:43 PM

I always wanted to have a force 12 spell tattooed my body spending 24 karma and dispelling as force 48.

Want to bring by foci into warded building, not a problem, I poke the ward with my tattooed spell.

Its not subtle but it will bring down any ward created buy less than a great dragon, blood gestalt or a immortal elf. (and in those cases they would need to be unusually paranoid)

The question is what spell.

Edward

Posted by: Nikoli Apr 10 2006, 12:56 PM

Levitate

Posted by: Azralon Apr 10 2006, 02:26 PM

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Posted by: fool Apr 10 2006, 09:05 PM

One big reason not to have a bound spirit sustain your spells for you is they hate it. And pissing opff your spirits is a good way to get teh spirit bane flaw without any bonus build points.
I haven't actually had to apply this flaw to anyone yet because generally they've been pretty decent to their spirits.
all good choices on spells, though for the aforementioned use of bringing down a ward, I'd go with magic fingers.

Posted by: Azralon Apr 10 2006, 09:13 PM

Resist Pain: Permanent indeed.

Armor: That reminds me that I miss the "Nutrition" spell (I think it was called that).

Physical Mask: Hrm, alright. There might be a GM contention on that, but I see the point.

Mob stuff: I suppose it depends if I'm considered to have LOS to myself. My initial assumption would be yes.

Shapechange: Well, yeah. I'll happily run around as a sentient spellcasting tiger. Remind me to minimize my physical stats at chargen.

Posted by: James McMurray Apr 10 2006, 09:32 PM

If you don't have LOS to yourself, several problems arise with magic as written, os I think it's safe to assume you do.

Posted by: fool Apr 10 2006, 09:36 PM

that brings up an argument I had with a player of mine, he said that he never had line of sight on himself for area effect spells (specifically stun balls he wanted to cast on people right in front of him.) I pointed out that he always saw the inside of his cornea as well as the jelly like fluid filling the inside of his eyeballs. Pissed him off something feirce, but it did make sense to me.
wouldn't physical mask permanently mask you in one face only... i.e. you couldn't continually change your face like you can by recasting the spell. Sure it's useful if you want to take over someones life, but not good for blending into a crowd (quickened that is)
fast and nutrition combined would be good nutrition alone and you'd always be hungry and probably eating so getting fat.

Posted by: tisoz Apr 30 2006, 11:20 AM

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Posted by: tisoz Apr 30 2006, 12:46 PM

Right. I was reading a bunch more threads about the spirit of man sustaining the summoners assigned spell it had cast as a remote service. Confusing it with the service that lasts just a few combat turns and is about worthless.

Sorry.

Posted by: jklst14 May 3 2006, 03:04 PM