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Posted by: ronin3338 Apr 14 2006, 01:45 AM
Question:
A gun slide is a mount for a pistol that whips it forward into your hand on demand. There is a cyber version, which I can understand for an obvious cyberarm, but IIRC it says that you can mount it in your flesh arm.
How the hell would that work? If you took your jacket/shirt off, where there be a gun clinging to your arm, or would you have a drawer-slide looking thing on your forearm.
Posted by: Voorhees Apr 14 2006, 02:24 AM
I imagine you'd have some kind of slit running down your arm, with a little grabber hand poking out.
Posted by: captainwhizz Apr 14 2006, 10:47 AM
It could either come out from inside the arm, or just be mounted on the outside and wired into your nervous system.
Posted by: Butterblume Apr 14 2006, 11:02 AM
Iirc, no cyber gun slides for bone and flesh arms, only cyberlimbs.
Posted by: Edward Apr 14 2006, 12:11 PM
Cyber arm slide lists no essence cost, only available in cyber arm.
There is a non implant version available as well, it straps to your forearm and can be activated ether threw your pan or buy muscle movements. If you were not wearing a long shirt (and preferably jacket) it would be very obvious. I would also want specially tailored clothing.
Edward
Posted by: ronin3338 Apr 14 2006, 07:34 PM
| QUOTE (Edward) |
| Cyber arm slide lists no essence cost, only available in cyber arm. Edward |
Ah, I missed that part. OK, no no slide in your meat arm, and probably some sort of groove/slit in your forearm with a little mechanism to flip the gun to your hand...
This is why I love DS!
Thanks for the help y'all!
Posted by: Akimbo Apr 15 2006, 04:51 AM
I love the non cyber arm slide. It reminds me Travis Bickel from Taxi Driver and Rally Vincent from Gunsmith Cats. The cyber ones are boring to me. 
Posted by: Edward Apr 15 2006, 11:23 AM
I saw an old western that included one as well.
At the end the guy that carried one accidentally held up the priest at his own wedding when he went to shake hands. That’s about all I remember of that movie. Its also why my characters gun arm slide is pan enabled, no accidental activation.
Edward
Posted by: Ankle Biter Apr 15 2006, 02:38 PM
| QUOTE (Edward @ Apr 15 2006, 06:23 AM) |
| I saw an old western that included one as well. At the end the guy that carried one accidentally held up the priest at his own wedding when he went to shake hands. That’s about all I remember of that movie. Its also why my characters gun arm slide is pan enabled, no accidental activation. Edward |
But PAN enabled means that the leet decker hiding in your commlink can spring the thing just as you go to shake hands with your paranoid lone star contact....
Posted by: Ravor Apr 15 2006, 02:43 PM
Well, thats why my characters use Skinlink on everything as well as get our Decker to load my Commlink up with cracked versions of IC. *winks*
Posted by: Unrest Apr 16 2006, 02:29 AM
I'm not too good at describing things but if you can see that movie Alien Ressurection one of the mercenaries uses a device like this with dual pistols. Gives you a good idea of how it would really work though the only reason I can see to have one is so you can surprise an opponent who is expecting you to reach into your coat or belt for your gun.
Posted by: Voorhees Apr 16 2006, 02:40 AM
Or the thing that Travis Bickle built and used at the end of Taxi Driver.
Posted by: Akimbo Apr 16 2006, 08:29 PM
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| Or the thing that Travis Bickle built and used at the end of Taxi Driver. |
Yes, I do believe I said that.
Posted by: Thanee Apr 16 2006, 08:40 PM
You better have loose sleeves on your jacket, though. 
Bye
Thanee
Posted by: MITJA3000+ Apr 16 2006, 08:55 PM
I'm still wondering how the hell is the cyberversion even possible on synthetic arms? They have capacity 8 iirc and the attributes alone take up 9 capacity points, so no extra-features, NOTHING. Just wondering.
Posted by: Voorhees Apr 16 2006, 10:54 PM
| QUOTE (Akimbo) | ||
Yes, I do believe I said that. |
*Looks up in thread*
Pff, you can't expect me to pay attention to everything everyone says.
Posted by: Jhaiisiin Apr 17 2006, 05:39 AM
| QUOTE (Unrest) |
| I'm not too good at describing things but if you can see that movie Alien Ressurection one of the mercenaries uses a device like this with dual pistols. Gives you a good idea of how it would really work though the only reason I can see to have one is so you can surprise an opponent who is expecting you to reach into your coat or belt for your gun. |
Or the movie Equillibrium, which also features a built in forearm reloader. That part I think was more nifty than the gun slides...
Posted by: Shrike30 Apr 17 2006, 06:48 PM
| QUOTE (MITJA3000+) |
| I'm still wondering how the hell is the cyberversion even possible on synthetic arms? They have capacity 8 iirc and the attributes alone take up 9 capacity points, so no extra-features, NOTHING. Just wondering. |
I'm pretty sure you don't pay for the baseline threes on attributes in your cyberarms, it's the increased attributes BEYOND that you pay for.
Posted by: CrimsonHawk May 10 2006, 12:18 AM
well reguarding gun slides in general whats the bigest gun and whats the concelabilty factor pat dows and such?
Posted by: Geekkake May 10 2006, 12:35 AM
| QUOTE (CrimsonHawk) |
| well reguarding gun slides in general whats the bigest gun and whats the concelabilty factor pat dows and such? |
I allow for heavy pistols, because I'm a big softie. Provided the player isn't explicitly wearing constricting clothing that would impact the free action of the slide.
If I were to be a bitch about it, I'd say light pistols and hold-outs. Essentially, a little surprise when your standard sidearm is dry or seized.
Posted by: Shrike30 May 10 2006, 01:06 AM
I'm thinking of basically only allowing them with hold-outs unless you've got a bigass loose jacket on. Trying to conceal something noticeably taller than your forearm while wearing form fitting body armor can be a real pain in the ass.
Posted by: Geekkake May 10 2006, 01:25 AM
| QUOTE (Shrike30) |
| I'm thinking of basically only allowing them with hold-outs unless you've got a bigass loose jacket on. Trying to conceal something noticeably taller than your forearm while wearing form fitting body armor can be a real pain in the ass. |
That's why it goes over the FFBA. Also, who has a pistol bigger than their forearm? I'm looking at my forearm, and while I'm a tall guy, I have a more than reasonable amount of space for a compact or semi-compact, large-caliber firearm strapped on, without the barrel poking out the sleeve.
Posted by: ronin3338 May 10 2006, 01:40 AM
He's not talking about length. Your forearm, from top to bottom, is probably not as tall as a larger .38, and a Colt .45 will show as a big bulge in your sleeve.
I wouldn't allow larger than a light pistol, unless it was something custom made for the slide and the user.
Posted by: DrowVampyre May 10 2006, 04:00 AM
Depends on how cinematic you want to be. In the movie Equilibrium, for example, the main character has full auto heavy pistols on the slides, and wears a not incredibly loose jacket over it without noticable bulges. Course, the magic of Hollywood works wonders...
Posted by: Shrike30 May 10 2006, 06:59 AM
Yeah, and he's also got those spare magazines on the OTHER spring-loaded armature on his forearms...
Love that movie. Anyone who throws two weighted mags into a room so that they're upright, on the floor, in the place that he knows he's going to run out of ammunition is a hardass.
Posted by: DrowVampyre May 10 2006, 07:08 AM
Oh yes, definitely. Hmm...wonder how we could make those reloading slides...
On a sidenote, I talked to my GM about converting a Predator IV into one of those guns (Predator IV converted for full auto, gas vent 3, an underbarrel weight to counteract a -1 "not made for autofire" modifier, and double capacity clips). For the low, low price of 1,600 ¥, you too can be a Grammaton Cleric!
Posted by: wavydavy May 10 2006, 04:04 PM
| QUOTE (ronin3338) |
| He's not talking about length. Your forearm, from top to bottom, is probably not as tall as a larger .38, and a Colt .45 will show as a big bulge in your sleeve. I wouldn't allow larger than a light pistol, unless it was something custom made for the slide and the user. |
To chime in:
I would probably only allow holdouts for humans and elves, light pistols for dwarves and orks, and heavy pistols for trolls, given the different body sizes. I might allow chars with body at their racial max to size up a level. Plus as above, a customised version would count as a class lower.
So a troll with body 11 could pop out a customised assault rifle :)
Posted by: Shrike30 May 10 2006, 08:13 PM
| QUOTE (DrowVampyre) |
| For the low, low price of 1,600 ¥, you too can be a Grammaton Cleric! |
You know, the game already has machine pistols in it
Posted by: Butterblume May 10 2006, 08:18 PM
I even allowed machine pistols in the armslide - because it's cool. If the user wears a wide cut coat or something. Really experienced security guards, however, would know of the type of the coat, that there is probably something hidden in his sleeve ...
Posted by: Shrike30 May 10 2006, 08:29 PM
"Excuse me, sir, could you hold on for a minute?"
"Sure, uh... no problem. Mind if I smoke?"
"Nah, go ahead... -Uh, Bill, there's another guy down here with one of those coats on. You wanna fire up the millimeter-wave?- ... the computer's just acting funny, been having fits trying to auth people into the building. Just gotta reboot it..."
Posted by: DrowVampyre May 10 2006, 11:30 PM
| QUOTE (Shrike30) |
| You know, the game already has machine pistols in it |
Yeah, but they fire light ammo, and I was trying to get as close to those guns as possible, and they're definitely firing heavy pistol rounds. More precisely, apparently heavy pistol APDS rounds, considering they were goin all the way through the torso of guys wearing body armor...
Posted by: Dissonance May 10 2006, 11:47 PM
I thought they called those SMGs.
Posted by: DrowVampyre May 11 2006, 12:03 AM
True, but then SMGs are much larger. If you haven't seen the movie, the guns are large pistols, probably somewhere between the size of a Beretta 92 and a Desert Eagle.
Posted by: Shrike30 May 11 2006, 06:26 PM
They're Beretta 92's with a muzzle extension built on. I believe Tauri were used at some point in the filming, too, for budget reasons (the whole thing was made for about $20 million).
9mm is spot-on for what I'd call a light pistol round. Loading APDS would make sense, given how much stuff was shot through in the movie, but you're still sitting nicely in the realm of the machine pistol.
Posted by: DrowVampyre May 12 2006, 01:18 AM
The models they used were Beretta 92s, yes, but they had far more power than a 9mm round in the movie. They're not actually supposed to be modified Beretta's, see, that's just what they chose to make the props from. Given the stuf those rounds go through, and the size of holes they leave, they've gotta be at least .40 or .45, and I'd venture to say they'd count as hot loads in modern rounds. But then, I'm no firearms expert either.
Posted by: Akimbo May 17 2006, 04:08 AM
Even though the Beretta 92 and 96 series uses a 9mm round, it still is a fat pig. Honestly, I wouldn't allow anything bigger than a light pistol for an arm slide. In both Gunsmith Cats and Taxi Driver, only very small hold out pistols were used in the first place. Anything bigger than that wouldn't fit in my forearm anyway.
Posted by: Squinky May 17 2006, 04:21 AM
Thinking about this device a while back, I held my Glock up to my forearm for a comparison. I am a moderately sized person (6 foot, 250 pnds) and it wouldn't fit at all in my opinion. Heavy pistols just wouldn't be realistic there.
Posted by: Shrike30 May 17 2006, 07:12 PM
Glock subcompacts are about the biggest gun I'd let someone put in an arm slide, and that would only be on a large-ish character. You get any bigger than that, and you've got to start wearing those hugeass robes around that just look silly...
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