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Dumpshock Forums _ Shadowrun _ Invisibility and infilitration?
Posted by: Dv84good May 1 2006, 11:06 PM
Why was wondering if an invisible person can use infiltration to hide from astral perception? My reason for someone to do so is because people who astrally project can hide from watchers or people watching astrally.
Posted by: Geekkake May 1 2006, 11:08 PM
| QUOTE (Dv84good) |
| Why was wondering if an invisible person can use infiltration to hide from astral perception? My reason for someone to do so is because people who astrally project can hide from watchers or people watching astrally. |
Quite the opposite; a sustained invisibility spell is extremely noticeable on the astral plane. I don't know if it's literally the "beacon/light of the Sun" some folks on the forum make it out to be, but I reckon magical activity certainly draws an astral eye or two. As it were.
Posted by: Kanada Ten May 1 2006, 11:09 PM
Infultration can be used against astrally present beings. However invisbility does not hide auras, so it does not aid here.
Posted by: Rotbart van Dainig May 1 2006, 11:10 PM
| QUOTE (Dv84good) |
| Why was wondering if an invisible person can use infiltration to hide from astral perception? |
By the RAW, they can... even if not perceiving astrally.
Just, the fact that they are invisible physically doesn't mean a thing on the astral plan.
Posted by: Geekkake May 1 2006, 11:11 PM
| QUOTE (Kanada Ten) |
| Infultration can be used against astrally present beings. However invisbility does not hide auras, so it does not aid here. |
Does the much-vaunted astral obviousness convey any sort of modifiers you're aware of?
Posted by: Kanada Ten May 1 2006, 11:13 PM
In SR3 [active spells] reduced the TN for astral patrols, but did not affect astral perception tests. Foci, spells, and being astrally present all reduced the patroller's TN, but it was unclear exactly what that meant other than the spirit being aware of an intrusion.
Astral perception already has the advantage of negating darkness... However, one could argue that the astral being could make a second perception test for each spell and spirit with the character.
Posted by: Dv84good May 1 2006, 11:24 PM
Wait. Let we explain the situation. It was a heavy fog so the mage was using astral perception and there were two men in the fire escape hiding and invisible. So I am wondering if infilitration will hide them in the astral plane.
Posted by: Kanada Ten May 1 2006, 11:51 PM
Yes.
Posted by: Edward May 2 2006, 10:53 AM
Yes.
Arguably there should be a modifier to the perception (or assessing) test because the spell makes it more obvious.
Edward
Posted by: Shrike30 May 2 2006, 04:45 PM
You'd think it would lower the threshold from whatever 2 is described as ("normal" or something along those lines) to 1 (which is "obvious").
Posted by: Rotbart van Dainig May 2 2006, 10:04 PM
It would give a +2 bonus at best... the modifier for objects that stand out.
Posted by: Shrike30 May 2 2006, 11:16 PM
Ah, right.. because this is Opposed.
Posted by: Apathy May 2 2006, 11:37 PM
| QUOTE (Dv84good) |
| Wait. Let we explain the situation. It was a heavy fog so the mage was using astral perception and there were two men in the fire escape hiding and invisible. So I am wondering if infilitration will hide them in the astral plane. |
My SR4-fu is weak [shame
] but I remember in SR3 visibility modifiers other than darkness effected you equally on the astral plane as they did the physical plane. So smoke or fog would give you a modifier to astral perception as well.
Posted by: Rotbart van Dainig May 3 2006, 11:44 AM
They affected you, but to a lesser extent.
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