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Posted by: Kurb Jun 5 2006, 06:18 AM

First off, I've been out of the loop for at least a year. Second, if this has been discussed somewhere else, please just point me in the right direction.

I was just wondering what your thoughts, ideas, snide remarks, or inside details about the upcoming Shadowrun game for the Xbox 360.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jun 5 2006, 06:24 AM

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=9190, http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=12897, and http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=12939 are good places to get started.

~J

Posted by: Kurb Jun 5 2006, 06:26 AM

Thanks a lot chum.

Posted by: Toptomcat Jun 5 2006, 12:03 PM

To summarize, the general reaction of the community is "KILL IT WITH FIRE!"

Posted by: Grinder Jun 5 2006, 12:17 PM

And unleash a special trained platoon Drop Bears to the developer team/studio.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 5 2006, 01:35 PM

Microsoft has its own forum at the shadowrun website, shadowrun.com

Posted by: SL James Jun 5 2006, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Toptomcat)

To summarize, the general reaction of the community is "KILL IT WITH FIRE!"

Sweet, sweet cleansing FIRE.

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 5 2006, 03:00 PM

my reaction is in the area of:

GRR, FAN SMASH!

Posted by: mmu1 Jun 5 2006, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (nezumi)

Microsoft has its own forum at the shadowrun website, shadowrun.com

Well, that's one way of putting it.

Anyone remember the copier scene from "Office Space"?

If the SR fans are the heroes of the movie, then the forum, the developers, and the community manager are the xerox copier...

Posted by: Witness Jun 5 2006, 04:16 PM

I am particularly amused to read a new article on the Shadowrun video game website entitled http://shadowrun.com/behindthescenes/teamblog/TomHolmes053106.htm. The author, who is 'Graphics Lead' on the game, is gutted about the new X-men 3 film, apparently.

QUOTE

The movie took a storyline I deeply liked and stomped all over it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 5 2006, 04:27 PM

posts like that makes me wonder who it is that have pushed this mockery thru...

if its the production lead (he have stated that he more or less hated shadowrun) then im (sadly) all for declearing a jihad om him...

Posted by: Brahm Jun 5 2006, 05:19 PM

Did you read to the bottom?

QUOTE

For most people, and actually most X-men fans, this probably doesn’t matter. Just because X3 drives me crazy doesn’t make it a bad movie.

He doesn't even consider it an abomination that Juggernaut is changed from magical to a mutant. Which is exactly the type of details that many people are ranting about the Shadowrun FPS. An Elf goblinizing instead of UGE? Detail that large percentage of the rank-and-file Shadowrun players aren't even likely notice. I'm not talking about people that come here and post. I'm talking the large group that includes all those people that just play the game 2-4 times a month instead of breathing it like people here do.

EDIT Somewhat of an Xmen 3 spoiler.

[ Spoiler ]

Posted by: Austere Emancipator Jun 5 2006, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (Brahm)

He doesn't even consider it an abomination that Juggernaut is changed from magical to a mutant. Which is exactly the type of details that many people are ranting about the Shadowrun FPS.

The "details" most people seem to be ranting about are like if X3 portrayed a grim, dark and dirty world where the X-men are psycho killers who pray on the weak and innocent.

"Quick, grab your 1337 pwnstick and let's go paragliding to free magic from evil people and fulfil our destiny as saviors of mankind!" That's totally like my last SR campaign.

Posted by: Brahm Jun 5 2006, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Jun 5 2006, 12:31 PM)

The "details" most people seem to be ranting about are like if X3 portrayed a grim, dark and dirty world where the X-men are psycho killers who pray on the weak and innocent.

Then "most people" must be smoking something really rank.

QUOTE

"Quick, grab your 1337 pwnstick and let's go paragliding to free magic from evil people and fulfil our destiny as saviors of mankind!" That's totally like my last SR campaign.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, even if they are really just rationalizations for your own greed. So you believe all the spin that RSA/Lineage is feeding you?

Posted by: Brahm Jun 5 2006, 05:45 PM

Ignore this post, because buttons confuse me.

Posted by: Calvin Hobbes Jun 5 2006, 05:51 PM

Ignore this post, I was distracted by the last post.

Posted by: hyzmarca Jun 5 2006, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Brahm)

Me, I was just as OK with the Xmen 3 movie as the rest. Well the back from the dead at the bottom of the lake thing bothered me some.

Actually, that is one of the things that bothered me the least. More recent X-Men comics have established that Jean Grey is essentially immortal due to her connection with Phoenix. She can be killed, yes, but she can resurrect herself at will.

The Juggernaut being a mutant didn't bother me, either. The X-Men movies exist in a more down-to-earth continuity where magic and aliens do not exist. The Juggernaut being a mutant is slightly annoying since they could hae left him out in favor of one of the countless other X-Men villians but it is only slightly more annoying than Xavier not being married to the monarch of an alien star-empire.

Most people who complain about X-Men 3 complain about the flavor. There was too much action, too many characters, and not enough character devolpment. The last two movies had trouble fleshing out the large ensemble cast but this one is a far worse offender.

However, all three movies kept the basic flavor from the comics.

The Shadowrun video game reboot doesn't keep the flavor of the RPG. It doesn't seem to keep the flavor at all. The problem isn't just the reboot or the original characters, no, the problem is that the reboot throws away everything previous and presents a world that is the idealogical anthesis of the original.

Posted by: Brahm Jun 5 2006, 06:15 PM

EDIT I should really wrap this in an Xmen 3 spoiler for the people that haven't seen the movie.

[ Spoiler ]

Posted by: PBTHHHHT Jun 5 2006, 06:42 PM

Oh, I think I'm gonna have to quote you on that for a sig.

Brahm on X3:
"I'm also glad they didn't have Patrick Stewart humping an alien. I've finally gotten to the point where Jean Luc doesn't enter my mind when I see Stewart on the screen, and that would undercut such progress."

Posted by: Platinum Jun 5 2006, 06:50 PM

QUOTE

The movie took a storyline I deeply liked and stomped all over it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What I find most disturbing is reading the blogs and many of the people didn't like the game when they tried it. Stupid morons were not smart enough to figure out the simple game mechanics and feel of the genre, but then you get them to work on the video game... What kind of rocket scientist production manager wants a person like that on their team. sheesh.

Posted by: Kurb Jun 5 2006, 07:05 PM

Well I appreciate the comments, there was a reason behind it. I've been toying an idea around and trying to network with a few developers (purely for the know-how) and I'm thinking of attempting a creation of a text based online Shadowrun game. Basically I am unfamiliar with this type of gaming, but several people I know are very big into Gemstone (a online text based game). It can incorporate a vast array of details, and doesn't take up a lot of space because it is only text. I am still fairly new at software development, but since I'm learning it, I figure I should put it to use.

Would the great SR fans here at DSF be interested in a text based online game?

My goal is to provide a way to totally create the character you want, play the way you want, and keep the roleplaying alive. That's been my biggest issue with the games nowadays, you lose the roleplay aspect. My ideas for this are many, but as I read on an earlier post "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". So I figured I'd throw my idea out there to sharks, and see what's left when they are done.

Posted by: Platinum Jun 5 2006, 07:13 PM

Looks like you should look up the shadowrun mud. It is actually pretty good. All textbased, and well written.

Posted by: Kurb Jun 5 2006, 07:25 PM

Can you send me a link...I never knew it exsisted. Like I've said before, I've been out of the loop for at least a year.

Posted by: Platinum Jun 5 2006, 09:05 PM

Here are two of them

http://www.awakenedworlds.net
http://www.awake2062.net/

I went to http://www.mudconnector.com
and pressed search .... and search on shadowrun. There are 8, or so results.

Posted by: Kurb Jun 5 2006, 10:49 PM

Thanks a lot for the links!

Posted by: Canis Jun 6 2006, 12:59 AM

The shadowrun game is a big disappointment to me. I can forgive minor background changes, or altering game mechanics a bit, but this isn’t close. It’s not fair to compare this to X3. In order to do that, X3 would have had to have had the Professor played by Vin Diesel (renamed to Prof XXX), and the story revolving him running (and teliporting) around carrying a bazooka and blowing up terrorists with his mind (Q: why does he have a bazooka if he blows them up with his mind, A: character development).

Posted by: Tiralee Jun 6 2006, 04:44 AM

Wow - I think this has turned into a self-help and discussion forum for "Geek Rage".

1st ever incidence for me: Reading how Shadowrun was going to be a CFT/Team Fortress clone, in South America...
...what the HELL? Where is the urban-decay of Seattle's sprawl?

Then I went and looked at the actual website. Gods, cleanse it with fire indeed. (At least the Mechwarrior series was 'ported quite nicely into a romp 'em, stomp 'em junk fest.)

2nd case of Geek Rage: More recently, the eagerly awaited X3... (Please gods, don't let it suck)

[ Spoiler ]

The fanbase has spoken. And has waved the torches and pitchforks.
Let's hope it works.

-Tir.

Posted by: mfb Jun 6 2006, 05:27 AM

what Canis said. X3, for all its changes, was still recognizably X-Men. it was still a band of mutants facing off against a hostile world, hated both by those they fight for and those they fight against. mutant powers and their effects on those who express them are discussed and explored. everyone's abilities can still be completely defined by a one-line description. yeah, there were changes and alterations--but it was as enjoyably and recognizably X-Men as, say, X-Men: Evolution.

the "Shadowrun" game simply isn't Shadowrun. where X-Men changed canon details to fit the overall story, "Shadowrun" makes up the story and then picks and chooses canon details that fit.

Posted by: Lazerface Jun 6 2006, 06:28 PM

What this could have looked like.

http://forums.shadowrun.com/forums/thread/4953.aspx

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jun 6 2006, 06:38 PM

Ugh, that's even worse. The Troll isn't terrible aside from his "must tilt head upwards so the viewer gets a good look at my face" poses, but… the other things? The pain, it never ends…

~J

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 7 2006, 12:04 AM

that elf is outahere, looks like a alien or something...

that orc was kinda "funny" (as long as noone request a shotgun/axe anytime soon).

but the troll, and the setting it was shown in on the second pic, oh yes!
now make that some kind of datasteal or something and we are rolling.

but please, give that elf a nose!

edit:

just spotted the image in the last post. hmm, now thats a rent-a-cop

Posted by: shadowfire Jun 7 2006, 12:30 AM

frak the 360... look if i wanted a computer i'll get a computer. if i wanted a game console i'd get either anything made by nintendo or the PS. .. the xbox or 360 however can't make up its mind and is not worth the money i could use on porn.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jun 7 2006, 01:10 AM

Have you no internet where you live?

~J

Posted by: Lazerface Jun 7 2006, 04:45 AM

The elf's eyes are too far apart. That's why he has no nose.

Posted by: eidolon Jun 7 2006, 05:29 AM

That troll is fantastic. I yoinked it and put it into my SR folder under "what the races really look like in my games". Same for the ork, although my fave ork remains the SR4 gunslinger girl.

Posted by: Lazerface Jun 7 2006, 08:17 PM

http://www.frogchildren.com/Image_Troll.html

If you liked the troll, you'll love this.

Posted by: eidolon Jun 8 2006, 02:09 AM

QUOTE (Lazerface)

http://www.frogchildren.com/Image_Troll.html

If you liked the troll, you'll love this.

Indeedy. Thanks!

Posted by: Brahm Jun 8 2006, 06:37 AM

QUOTE (Lazerface @ Jun 7 2006, 03:17 PM)

http://www.frogchildren.com/Image_Troll.html

If you liked the troll, you'll love this.

The one with the troll strangling what I think is a scribble of a elf in one hand is hilarious. That top rendered one though doesn't really work for me. It feels very cludged together. It doesn't really match up with pervious Shadowrun. But if that's what you think of when you think troll then I guess. I really like the bottom drawing. Similar in some ways to the rendered one, but IMO the horns just work with the rest of the skull and the face.

Of course that is purely concept art. No way they'd be able to put something even remotely that detailed into the game. Not sure how well it would come out once you dropped the polycount down to something usable.

Not that it really matters much in a FPS. You don't see the game in still motion when you are playing it. If you try to you are already dead. That's why screen captures, especially ones displayed on a web page in JPG, are usually not that good a gauge of how the game will look in motion.

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 8 2006, 03:32 PM

i think the problem of the render is that the horns are, well, flesh colored...

Posted by: eidolon Jun 9 2006, 02:06 AM

Ever look at fingernails? Makes perfect sense to me. A lot of exposed bone in nature has that hue (of course, it varies).

Of course, there's always horn polish. I like blood red.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 9 2006, 01:01 PM

Fingernails aren't bone. They're um... like monowire, which is why they're clear. Or something.