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Posted by: JTNLANGE Jun 16 2006, 07:08 PM

I saw on another thread here that a GM was letting his magical characters manifest and cast a spell at the bad guys and this was not letting his gun bunnies have any fun. Is this legal? From what I read, you can cast mana spells but only if the target is on the astral or dual natured. I don't think that it is being handled right. You have to have LOS to use a spell correct? If you are astrally projecting and you manifest it states that you cannot interact physically with the real world, so you could appear and see them and talk but you could not attack unless they are dual natured or astral themselves. So if you pop up in the middle of a bunch of mundane ork guards, for instance, then all you could do would be talk or look at them but not attack them correct? this is assuming you are astrally projecting and your meat body is a ways away and is not in close proximity.

Thanks in advance

Trevor

Posted by: Lagomorph Jun 16 2006, 07:11 PM

No it's not legal. The thread in question explained that later on.

Posted by: JTNLANGE Jun 16 2006, 07:16 PM

Thanks I can't seem to find the thread again. Could you point me in the direction?

Posted by: Lagomorph Jun 16 2006, 07:32 PM

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=13376&hl=astral

Posted by: Nim Jun 16 2006, 07:39 PM

Right. The only way I've found so far for an astral entity to attack physical characters without materializing is to use a mental manipulation spell/power on a dual-natured character nearby An astrally-projecting security mage could, for instance, try to use Control Thoughts on the runner team's astrally-perceiving combat mage, and compel him to Powerball the team. Whoops!

Posted by: Nim Jun 16 2006, 07:41 PM

Which reminds me, actually: Is a Materialized spirit wholly physical, or are they dual-natured?

Posted by: Serbitar Jun 16 2006, 07:51 PM

dual

Posted by: Hunga Jun 16 2006, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Nim)

Which reminds me, actually: Is a Materialized spirit wholly physical, or are they dual-natured?

Dual-natured, page 176.

Posted by: Apathy Jun 16 2006, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (Nim)

Right. The only way I've found so far for an astral entity to attack physical characters without materializing is to use a mental manipulation spell/power on a dual-natured character nearby

An astrally-projecting security mage could, for instance, try to use Control Thoughts on the runner team's astrally-perceiving combat mage, and compel him to Powerball the team. Whoops!

Is possession still a valid meta-magic for dual-natured targets, or did that go away in SR4?

Posted by: Nim Jun 16 2006, 08:00 PM

Ah ha. Thanks; I was looking in the description of the power.

Hmm. Now we just need a metamagic conjuring technique to spoof a command to a spirit, as if it had come from the summoner. It would be in keeping with the SR4 love for parallel structure....

Posted by: Nim Jun 16 2006, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (Apathy)

Is possession still a valid meta-magic for dual-natured targets, or did that go away in SR4?

It's not listed. Figure it might make a comeback in Street Magic, especially if SM includes some alternate traditions.