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Posted by: Witness Aug 1 2006, 08:49 AM
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/wordpress/?p=135
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 09:13 AM
Nice art 
And it will be hardcover (missed the fact before)
Posted by: Oracle Aug 1 2006, 09:14 AM
Old. http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?act=ST&f=26&t=13952&hl=&view=findpost&p=428877. 
Posted by: Witness Aug 1 2006, 09:59 AM
With respect, I posted first. Check your timestamps!
Yes, it does look nice.
Posted by: Oracle Aug 1 2006, 10:02 AM
Me stupid!! 
I owe you a drink if you ever make it to my part of Germany.
Posted by: Witness Aug 1 2006, 10:07 AM
Well pour me out a Doppelbock- I'm packing the car!
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 11:07 AM
The cover art is pretty fucking cool.
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 11:13 AM
Yeah.
@Witness: you're coming to Germany? Cool Have to introduce you into the mighty Astra-cult then
Posted by: Witness Aug 1 2006, 11:21 AM
Sorry I was joking. Not planning any trips to Germany for a while, but if I do I may well let you guys know! And if anyone's coming to the UK (Leicester), I'll happily say hi as well.
The cover is indeed spot on. The guy on the right looks a fair bit like the combat mage in the main book- shame his tats aren't glowing this time.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 11:59 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about that plant spirit image considering it's the same artist who drew that horrible picture on p.99 of System Failure.
Posted by: Demonseed Elite Aug 1 2006, 12:22 PM
Wow, that is some nice cover art. I really approve.
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 12:26 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| I'm not sure how I feel about that plant spirit image considering it's the same artist who drew that horrible picture on p.99 of System Failure. |
Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works.
Posted by: Jrayjoker Aug 1 2006, 01:04 PM
I am only nitpicking because I care, but does the cover look a little like a (GASP!) D&D book due to the font, or is it just me?
Posted by: Bull Aug 1 2006, 01:16 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| The cover art is pretty fucking cool. |
Agreed, I really like the way it looks. The lighting effect from the lightning is nice.
I'm also digging the Shadowrun logo running down the side of the book instead of along the top. It's a bit different from pretty much every other RPG cover design
Bull
Posted by: Bull Aug 1 2006, 01:19 PM
| QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
| I am only nitpicking because I care, but does the cover look a little like a (GASP!) D&D book due to the font, or is it just me? |
Maybe a little, but I think that's mostly because D&D has used damn near every type of font over the years that evokes any sort of mystical or fantasy imagery.
That type of font works for a book about magic, IMO. I'd expect the fonts for the titles to Unwired, Augmentation, etc to all be a bit more tech or futuristic looking.
Bull
Posted by: hobgoblin Aug 1 2006, 01:32 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| I'm also digging the Shadowrun logo running down the side of the book instead of along the top. It's a bit different from pretty much every other RPG cover design |
kinda reminds me of witchcraft...
looking forward to this book!
Posted by: The Canterbury Tail Aug 1 2006, 01:36 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) | ||
Agreed, I really like the way it looks. The lighting effect from the lightning is nice. I'm also digging the Shadowrun logo running down the side of the book instead of along the top. It's a bit different from pretty much every other RPG cover design Bull |
Yeah, doesn't look a thing like the World of Darkness covers. No not at all.
Posted by: Bull Aug 1 2006, 01:41 PM
| QUOTE (The Canterbury Tail) | ||||
Yeah, doesn't look a thing like the World of Darkness covers. No not at all. |
Heh, do they do that? Don;t really actively play any of the WoD stuff (Did a brief game when the WoD corebook came out a couple years ago), and don;t own any of the books, so... <shrug> Don;t really pay attention to what the books look like.
*goes Googling*
Hey, we borrowed some concepts of their system, and improved upon them. Why not do the same with their covers?
Ahh well. Still nice design element.
Bull
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 01:58 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| Hey, we borrowed some concepts of their system, and improved upon them. |
Really? Didn't notice it until now.
Posted by: 2bit Aug 1 2006, 02:41 PM
Very, very nice cover art. Possibly the best Ive ever seen for Shadowrun. That's the kind of cover that sells not only the book, but the core rulebook next to it on the shelf. Can't wait to pick this one up.
Posted by: JongWK Aug 1 2006, 03:13 PM
Wow, that's some amazing art. The new cover design is (IMHO) much better too.
Posted by: Jrayjoker Aug 1 2006, 03:37 PM
I am very pleased by what I have seen. And I am glad it will be hardcover.
[Channeling Mr. Burns] Excellent. [/Channeling Mr. Burns]
Posted by: Samaels Ghost Aug 1 2006, 04:00 PM
I'm glad they went with something different than the Occult Investigator picture that they showed being the cover for a while. I was afraid they would stick with that. I'm not really a fan of some of the runner pics in the core rulebook but the ones in SR3 book were worse. Not that I could do better.
Yeah, that plant spirit pic needs to go.
Posted by: BishopMcQ Aug 1 2006, 04:41 PM
I'm a fan of the cover art, though I am curious...what is the device on each of their belts?
Posted by: Bull Aug 1 2006, 04:45 PM
| QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) |
| I'm glad they went with something different than the Occult Investigator picture that they showed being the cover for a while. I was afraid they would stick with that. I'm not really a fan of some of the runner pics in the core rulebook but the ones in SR3 book were worse. Not that I could do better. Yeah, that plant spirit pic needs to go. |
I kinda like the plant spirit pic
As for the cover, because of the way solicitations for places like Amazon work, often the solicitation has to be in well before any cover art is done. Almost every SR book to come down the pipe has had placeholder art for a while before the real cover gets posted.
Barring some wierd circumstance, you should never see any art duplication for a Shadowrun Cover. Interior art, occasionally, but cover art? No.
Bull
Posted by: Brahm Aug 1 2006, 04:45 PM
Might be the artist's take on commlinks, instead of using the Indiglo style LCD screen look that we've seen in other art that likely is representing commlinks. That is something that hasn't really be nailed down in the rules or even fluff yet, what exactly a commlink looks like. It might be that they have lots of different looks to them.
Posted by: Bull Aug 1 2006, 04:46 PM
| QUOTE (McQuillan) |
| I'm a fan of the cover art, though I am curious...what is the device on each of their belts? |
I'd assume probably their Comlinks (or at least this artists interpretation of one)
Posted by: Samaels Ghost Aug 1 2006, 04:50 PM
I assumed they were comms. One of the few things in the picture that looks technological. I can't tell what that is on the forehead of the guy on the left. Mystic thingamabob or funky trodes?
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 04:54 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) | ||
Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works. |
Well, it's okay... (If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture). It's just that... Eh. The image I'm referring to is so weirdly proportioned that it may work for a spirit, but otherwise I could probably do without his art (also after scanning his website).
Posted by: Brahm Aug 1 2006, 05:00 PM
| QUOTE (SL James @ Aug 1 2006, 11:54 AM) |
| If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture. |
I had always envisioned some spirits as being plant in nature, particularly ones from domains like Forest. Now that spirits aren't divided up along domain lines it makes sense for them to be named Plant Spirits. Tree spirits in particular are a fairly universal mythology.
Once you had Beast spirits it seems rather natural that there be Plant spirits. Next up, Fugi spirits. F3@r the Mushroom Man!
Posted by: maeel Aug 1 2006, 05:05 PM
Anybody know the eta on street magic? Art preview for runner heavens was out 42 days before the pdf hit the net....
please somebody tell me where in canada it is right now, i'd like to go there to force them to do double shifts...!
Posted by: Samaels Ghost Aug 1 2006, 05:08 PM
If you knew where they made the books why wouldn't you just steal one?
Posted by: winterhawk11 Aug 1 2006, 05:10 PM
| QUOTE (maeel) |
| Anybody know the eta on street magic? Art preview for runner heavens was out 42 days before the pdf hit the net.... |
The plan (fingers, toes, and any other relevant appendages one can locate crossed) is that it'll be released at Gen Con. I know it's at the printer now, so I'd say it's looking decently good that this will occur. I won't say I'm certain until I see the books sitting on the table next week, but I'm hopeful.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 05:17 PM
| QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) |
| If you knew where they made the books why wouldn't you just steal one? |
Why stop there? Steal the originals from Fanpro and fire... Whoa. Too much SR makes James a psychotic supervillian.
Posted by: Bull Aug 1 2006, 05:18 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture |
Well, judging by the "Spirits of Beasts" that appear in SR4, I'm assuming that it's not so much a "Plant Spirit" per se, as it is a spirit of the general "Spirits of Plants" domain. Basically a recategorizing/renaming of things like the "Forest Spirits", or a more specific form of the all-encompassing "Nature SPirits" from SR3 and earlier.
Though it does kinda look like a wierd awakened plant critter.
Bull
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 05:35 PM
Yes, Bull. I figured as much. I am not that stupid.
Posted by: Witness Aug 1 2006, 05:39 PM
It's Swamp Thing.
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 05:41 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works. [/QUOTE] Well, it's okay... (If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture). It's just that... Eh. The image I'm referring to is so weirdly proportioned that it may work for a spirit, but otherwise I could probably do without his art (also after scanning his website). |
Proportions are not so important by spirits. They're magic thus not really bound to physics or shape. Ehr, you know what I mean
Posted by: Toa Aug 1 2006, 06:29 PM
I really dislike the nWoD-imitation style cover layout. Not only does it look ripped off, it also doesn't look good (the chosen font doesn't mesh well with a vertical layout). What was wrong with the double-border layout from before? I thought it looked really fresh, something that wasn't really common hitherto. It's especially unpleasing since it's a break from an already established line. It was the first time I was quite positive about a new SR4 release... until I hit the bottom image. -_-;
Posted by: Critias Aug 1 2006, 06:32 PM
Oooh, Mister Fancy Pants, with his "hitherto."
Posted by: Adam Aug 1 2006, 06:43 PM
This style is being used on the rulebooks only; sourcebooks and adventures will continue to use the previous design, as seen on On The Run and Runner Havens.
Posted by: Synner Aug 1 2006, 06:44 PM
| QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) |
| Yeah, that plant spirit pic needs to go. |
Believe me the picture is actually very cool in context and scaled to size - imagine the spirit pics in SR4.
Posted by: hobgoblin Aug 1 2006, 07:04 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| [QUOTE=SL James,Aug 1 2006, 05:54 PM] Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works. [/QUOTE] Well, it's okay... (If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture). It's just that... Eh. The image I'm referring to is so weirdly proportioned that it may work for a spirit, but otherwise I could probably do without his art (also after scanning his website). [/QUOTE] Proportions are not so important by spirits. They're magic thus not really bound to physics or shape. Ehr, you know what I mean |
heh, i guess that makes lara croft a spirit of "man"
btw, that plant spirit reminds me of some fire spirit image i have seen somwhere.
not sure if its SR or some other game tho...
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 07:16 PM
| QUOTE (hobgoblin) |
| [QUOTE=Grinder,Aug 1 2006, 07:41 PM] [QUOTE=SL James,Aug 1 2006, 05:54 PM] Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works. [/QUOTE] Well, it's okay... (If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture). It's just that... Eh. The image I'm referring to is so weirdly proportioned that it may work for a spirit, but otherwise I could probably do without his art (also after scanning his website). [/QUOTE] Proportions are not so important by spirits. They're magic thus not really bound to physics or shape. Ehr, you know what I mean [/QUOTE]heh, i guess that makes lara croft a spirit of "man" |
Actually more a "phantasy" of a frustrated Nerd.
Hm, after Elvis, Drop Bears and Knight Rider, could there be a Lara Croft Totem?
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 07:36 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder @ Aug 1 2006, 11:41 AM) |
| Proportions are not so important by spirits. They're magic thus not really bound to physics or shape. Ehr, you know what I mean |
Clearly. No, my problem is with, well... *sighs* (Flickr is good for something I guess) ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/crimsondude/176489724/in/set-72157594165710343. So... Good for spirits. For all others... meh (at best).
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 07:40 PM
You're great!
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 07:54 PM
I consider it serendipity that the image is online. On the other hand, it's probably just a forewarning of something bad.
Posted by: Brahm Aug 1 2006, 08:21 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| I consider it serendipity that the image is online. On the other hand, it's probably just a forewarning of something bad. |
Where is the original online?
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 08:39 PM
Motivational Poster-thread at rpg.net I guess.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 08:42 PM
I found it digging through the whole set, but yeah, what Grinder said. A bunch were posted to the rpg.net thread. Some of them are also linked in the motivational poster thread on the Shadowrun subforum.
That thread is quite amusing.
Posted by: hobgoblin Aug 1 2006, 08:42 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| [QUOTE=hobgoblin,Aug 1 2006, 08:04 PM] [QUOTE=Grinder,Aug 1 2006, 07:41 PM] [QUOTE=SL James,Aug 1 2006, 05:54 PM] Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works. [/QUOTE] Well, it's okay... (If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture). It's just that... Eh. The image I'm referring to is so weirdly proportioned that it may work for a spirit, but otherwise I could probably do without his art (also after scanning his website). [/QUOTE] Proportions are not so important by spirits. They're magic thus not really bound to physics or shape. Ehr, you know what I mean [/QUOTE]heh, i guess that makes lara croft a spirit of "man" [/QUOTE] Actually more a "phantasy" of a frustrated Nerd. Hm, after Elvis, Drop Bears and Knight Rider, could there be a Lara Croft Totem? |
heh, i ran into a statue of "the goddess buffy" in anarchy online ones...
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 08:43 PM
I'm suddenly reminded of some article I read about the deification of Superman.
Posted by: Dread Polack Aug 1 2006, 09:38 PM
I liked most of the artwork in previous editions (mullets aside).
As far as the new art goes, I like the plant spirit. Not sure what everyone's complaining about. I think it's better than the one above it, the "Magical groups" piece. It's a solid piece, but I'm kinda picky about my style of line-art.
The cover is a pretty solid piece too. It doesn't look like something out of my own campaign, and the males are a little "pretty" for my style, but it's a good pic.
I'm really looking forward to the book. I've been playing a bear shaman in my campaign for a couple months now, and I'm particularly interested in some more detail on exactly things like foci are supposed to work. More spells and other options are good, but I think the magic rules could use a little clarification. Some flavor text would be nice too. The magic rules don't talk much about how magic looks, sounds, smells, tastes, and feels, for instance. Also, some guidance on how spirits act and interact with people. These are things I think myself and most players are capable of handling on their own, but some guidance would be nice.
Dread Polack
Posted by: Samaels Ghost Aug 1 2006, 09:41 PM
| QUOTE |
| The magic rules don't talk much about how magic looks, sounds, smells, tastes, and feels, for instance. |
Doesn't it say that appearance depends on your tradition or outlook.
Posted by: Dr. Dodge Aug 1 2006, 09:44 PM
cover art kinda reminds me of doomtrooper/mutant chronicles
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 1 2006, 09:46 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| [QUOTE=hobgoblin,Aug 1 2006, 08:04 PM] [QUOTE=Grinder,Aug 1 2006, 07:41 PM] [QUOTE=SL James,Aug 1 2006, 05:54 PM] Ah, there are other, far worse pics. I like the plant image, it reminded me a little of Jeff Laubensteins works. [/QUOTE] Well, it's okay... (If anything, I'm more concerned with Plant Spirits than the picture). It's just that... Eh. The image I'm referring to is so weirdly proportioned that it may work for a spirit, but otherwise I could probably do without his art (also after scanning his website). [/QUOTE] Proportions are not so important by spirits. They're magic thus not really bound to physics or shape. Ehr, you know what I mean [/QUOTE]heh, i guess that makes lara croft a spirit of "man" [/QUOTE] Actually more a "phantasy" of a frustrated Nerd. Hm, after Elvis, Drop Bears and Knight Rider, could there be a Lara Croft Totem? |
Don't forget http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11251&st=0&hl=william+shatner
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 09:53 PM
| QUOTE (Dread Polack) |
| As far as the new art goes, I like the plant spirit. Not sure what everyone's complaining about. I think it's better than the one above it, the "Magical groups" piece. It's a solid piece, but I'm kinda picky about my style of line-art. |
I'm not complaining about the plant spirit picture. I'm complaining about the artists' previous SR contributions and how much I wouldn't like to see that in this or future books when it comes to images of less abstract things like, you know, people.
Posted by: hobgoblin Aug 1 2006, 09:53 PM
| QUOTE |
| Don't forget William Shatner |
or maybe chuck norris?
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 1 2006, 10:06 PM
| QUOTE (hobgoblin) | ||
or maybe chuck norris? |
I thought that he ended up being Damien Knight
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 10:08 PM
Damien Knight doesn't have a beard.
...I don't think.
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 1 2006, 10:10 PM
I can't say I've ever seen a very complete description of Knight, much less a picture.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 10:12 PM
He's in Stranger Souls (I think that's the one. Or Clockwork Asylum). Sadly, his capitalist nature prevents him from doing the Right thing and gunning down Ryan Mercury.
Posted by: Samaels Ghost Aug 1 2006, 10:17 PM
Chuck Norris as Damien Knight is more believeable than Fastjack being Knight. Wasn't Knight an officier involved with Echo Mirage?
Posted by: hobgoblin Aug 1 2006, 10:18 PM
| QUOTE ("SL James") |
| Damien Knight doesn't have a beard. |
ever heard about shaving?
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 1 2006, 10:21 PM
| QUOTE (SL James @ Aug 1 2006, 02:12 PM) |
| He's in Stranger Souls (I think that's the one. Or Clockwork Asylum). Sadly, his capitalist nature prevents him from doing the Right thing and gunning down Ryan Mercury. |
Of course that might be proof Knight isn't actually Chuck Norris or Mary Sue Mercury might have gotten a M-F#*! Round House Kick to the head!
MOST of the references an hints in Canon material actually point to Knight being Maj. David Gavillan, Chuck Norris as Knight is just a much more amusing concept to me.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 10:24 PM
Gavilan could have been so badass the USAF would overlook his beard... because he was Chuck Norris.
It's the least they could do considering he led a Delta team to rescue American hostages in Lebanon and then took down a hugely powerful Colombian drug lord, plus ... there is the matter of single-handedly stopping a communist mercenary (Even weirded that Commie Nazis, which kinda sorta exist) invasion of the United States.
Posted by: Ancient History Aug 1 2006, 10:32 PM
You miss the obvious: David Gavilan was an African-Canadamerican. He received a dispensation from shaving his beard because he suffered from pseudofolliculitis barbae.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 10:33 PM
Oh, now you're just making shit up.
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 1 2006, 10:35 PM
| QUOTE (Ancient History @ Aug 1 2006, 02:32 PM) |
| You miss the obvious: David Gavilan was an African-Canadamerican. He received a dispensation from shaving his beard because he suffered from pseudofolliculitis barbae. |
pseudofolliculitis barbae. Isn't that a condition where you grown Cthulu like tentacles from your chin?
You know we've managed to completely derail this thread, then again I guess there are only so many times it can be said that the Street Magic art looks pretty good.
Posted by: SL James Aug 1 2006, 10:39 PM
Boobies!
Now we've totally derailed this thread.
Posted by: Brahm Aug 1 2006, 10:42 PM
| QUOTE (stevebugge @ Aug 1 2006, 05:35 PM) | ||
pseudofolliculitis barbae. Isn't that a condition where you grown Cthulu like tentacles from your chin? |
No, just tiny boils on your neck http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/pseudofolliculitis.html caused by people with tightly curly-haired beards shaving too closely. Common among people with African ancestory.
Posted by: hobgoblin Aug 1 2006, 10:44 PM
boobies have a habbit of derailing any thread...
Posted by: Brahm Aug 1 2006, 10:47 PM
But I forgive them, and then give them a hug.
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 1 2006, 10:48 PM
| QUOTE (Brahm) | ||||
No, just tiny boils on your neck http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/pseudofolliculitis.html caused by people with tightly curly haired beards shaving too closely. Common among people with African ancestory. |
So it is actually a real condition then?
I guess I took this post
| QUOTE |
| SL James Posted on Aug 1 2006, 02:33 PM Oh, now you're just making shit up. |
a little too literally.
Posted by: JongWK Aug 1 2006, 10:52 PM
EDIT: Er, wrong thread. 
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 11:24 PM
| QUOTE (hobgoblin) | ||
ever heard about shaving? |
Chuck Norris would never shave his face!
Posted by: Grinder Aug 1 2006, 11:24 PM
| QUOTE (stevebugge) |
| Hm, after Elvis, Drop Bears and Knight Rider, could there be a Lara Croft Totem? [/QUOTE] Don't forget http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11251&st=0&hl=william+shatner |
I was talking about the cool ones.
Posted by: Skarn Ka Aug 2 2006, 08:28 AM
| QUOTE (stevebugge) |
| I can't say I've ever seen a very complete description of Knight, much less a picture. |
Actually, there is a description - although I can't remember how complete it is - in Schockwellen...
Posted by: Brahm Aug 2 2006, 01:29 PM
I think First Run has a drawing of him, though it isn't particularly well detailed. I think it is Miles Lanier, not Villiers, that has a fairly detailed drawing in SF.
Posted by: SL James Aug 2 2006, 02:07 PM
Nope. It's Villiers watching his beloved Yankees getting their asses handed to them.
Posted by: Brahm Aug 2 2006, 02:22 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| Nope. It's Villiers watching his beloved Yankees getting their asses handed to them. |
Is there any offical confirmation of that? I guess he does have a lot of empty shot glasses beside him for being Lanier in that scene, but I assumed it was just a littered bar scene and such.
At first I thought it might be Villiers. But he just struck me as a lot more like Lanier pictured in First Run, and then there was a comment on DSF somewhere too that it was Lanier. But I forget who the author or the exact context of that comment was.
Posted by: SL James Aug 2 2006, 03:23 PM
As far as I could tell, if it was Lanier that would mean Villiers was passed out on the floor.
Posted by: Brahm Aug 2 2006, 03:33 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| As far as I could tell, if it was Lanier that would mean Villiers was passed out on the floor. |
Or sitting at the bar off-picture. I think in the narrative he sits down at the bar to talk to Richard, I'll pull out SF and check again.
P.S. The idea of Villiers, baddest ass mundane in the world, passed out on the floor in a puddle of his own vomit is pretty funny.
Posted by: Brahm Aug 2 2006, 03:38 PM
Ah, hadn't connected this detail before.
| QUOTE |
| Lanier put his elbow on the bar and stroked his well groomed beard... |
The picture is of a bare chinned man. So yup, that's Richard Villers (page 11 of System Failure for those folks who are just joining us).
Posted by: SL James Aug 2 2006, 03:45 PM
| QUOTE (Brahm @ Aug 2 2006, 09:33 AM) |
| P.S. The idea of Villiers, baddest ass mundane in the world, passed out on the floor in a puddle of his own vomit is pretty funny. |
Second baddest-ass mundane. Damien Knight is still his better. Hell, his ex-wife is cooler (to me) than he is.
Posted by: Brahm Aug 2 2006, 03:53 PM
| QUOTE (SL James) | ||
Second baddest-ass mundane. Damien Knight is still his better. Hell, his ex-wife is cooler (to me) than he is. |
Just surviving his ex-wife earns him the nod from me.
But I concede the possibility of DK being #1.I think until we can get them into a room together for a kegger to see which one drops first it is inconclusive.
Posted by: SL James Aug 2 2006, 03:58 PM
hahaha. Spot on. I have a special place in my heart for badass women named Samantha.
But, yeah. That would be awesome. Break it down in keg-stands, chugging contests, and ... what the hell... a belching contest as the tie-breaker. I mean, come on. They have to have some class, and beer pong just won't do.
Posted by: Neverborn Aug 2 2006, 05:01 PM
IM pretty excited now
Posted by: Dread Polack Aug 2 2006, 06:50 PM
| QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) |
| Doesn't it say that appearance depends on your tradition or outlook. |
Exactly my point. They leave it completely open. Like I said, I am capable of figuring this stuff out on my own, but I think it would be a better book if they at least gave some guidelines/advice on the subject.
Dread Polack
Posted by: Demonseed Elite Aug 2 2006, 09:52 PM
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/wordpress/?p=136, including something I wrote.
Posted by: the_dunner Aug 2 2006, 09:52 PM
Table of contents and a preview of the traditions have been posted.
Posted by: stevebugge Aug 2 2006, 10:35 PM
| QUOTE (the_dunner) |
| Table of contents and a preview of the traditions have been posted. |
And I have to say it looks pretty good
Posted by: Ophis Aug 2 2006, 11:06 PM
yep i have to concur. I'll stop looking now as I'm covering the keyboard with drool...
Posted by: Ancient History Aug 2 2006, 11:10 PM
| QUOTE (Ophis) |
| yep i have to concur. I'll stop looking now as I'm covering the keyboard with drool... |
Got to the list of sidebars, did ye?
Posted by: Brahm Aug 2 2006, 11:10 PM
<moved to the appropriate thread>
Posted by: Protagonist Aug 2 2006, 11:52 PM
Looks pretty sweet!
Posted by: Synner Aug 3 2006, 08:47 AM
| QUOTE (Dread Polack @ Aug 2 2006, 06:50 PM) | ||
Exactly my point. They leave it completely open. Like I said, I am capable of figuring this stuff out on my own, but I think it would be a better book if they at least gave some guidelines/advice on the subject. |
I'm not sure it's exactly what you're wishing for but the list of sidebars on the new http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/resources/downloads/fanpro_streetmagic_preview1.pdf includes "Magical Goods Form and Function" and "Spirit Appearance." I also believe the fiction in Street Magic will also have something to contribute.
Posted by: Grinder Aug 3 2006, 10:39 AM
The previews look very good, I really look forward to "On Location"
Posted by: Rotbart van Dainig Aug 3 2006, 11:02 AM
| QUOTE (Writing:) |
| Lars Blumenstein, Rob Boyle, Robert Derie, Robyn King-Nitschke, Jason Levine, Jon Szeto, Peter Taylor, Frank Trollman |
Looks like some of Frank's proposals made it - congrats!
Posted by: Grinder Aug 3 2006, 11:34 AM
He was one of the more vocal posters here, right?
Posted by: SL James Aug 3 2006, 11:45 AM
Yeah. Good lord. That was his real name?
Posted by: Brahm Aug 3 2006, 11:47 AM
Just check out his posts from his name. He hasn't posted much here lately though.
He had a lot of pretty detailed ideas about spirits that he posted, which I assume are what made it in in some form. Some were better than others, but he had a lot of ideas and a real wonk for spirits. I bet it was some of his insect and maybe some voodoo concepts of his made it in. I think he even submitted, or was considering submitting a proposal for work as a freelancer on the book. So it is possible that he even wrote one or more full sections in the book.
Posted by: Grinder Aug 3 2006, 11:48 AM
Bad luck flaw.
Posted by: Skarn Ka Aug 3 2006, 02:15 PM
Well if he's been credited like that, it probably means he did write whole sections if not a whole chapter (or more).
Posted by: Dread Polack Aug 3 2006, 02:22 PM
Looks pretty frickin' sweet to me. Exactly the stuff I was hoping to see, especially the threats. I can't wait to revive my campaign (on hold for a couple months now).
Dread Polack
Posted by: Synner Aug 3 2006, 02:25 PM
Frank Trollman is indeed the Dumpshock poster of the same name. His writing and many of his ideas do indeed figure significantly in the Spirits chapter (though, as I'm sure he'd note, not all his ideas made it or went through development unchanged).
Posted by: Bull Aug 3 2006, 03:05 PM
Just a note, "Frank Trollman" may not be his real name, even if that's his writing credit. I know I was credited as just "Bull" once or twice.
However, I've seen wierder names.
Bull
Posted by: Bull Aug 3 2006, 03:05 PM
| QUOTE (Synner) |
| Frank Trollman is indeed the Dumpshock poster of the same name. His writing and many of his ideas do indeed figure significantly in the Spirits chapter (though, as I'm sure he'd note, not all his ideas made it or went through development unchanged). |
Heh, they never do.
Posted by: SL James Aug 3 2006, 03:45 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| Just a note, "Frank Trollman" may not be his real name, even if that's his writing credit. I know I was credited as just "Bull" once or twice. |
Yeah, but those were in acknowledgements, weren't they?
Posted by: Bull Aug 3 2006, 03:52 PM
| QUOTE (SL James @ Aug 3 2006, 10:45 AM) | ||
Yeah, but those were in acknowledgements, weren't they? |
I was just "Bull" in MITS and Cannon Companion for playtesting, and I could have been just Bull in YotC and Dragons of the 6th World if I'd have asked, but decided I wanted to use my full name (Steven Ratkovich, in case anyone was wondering) for actual Writing and Development credits. All my other creidts have usually had Steven "Bull" Ratkovich.
If Frank asked, he likely could have gotten credited with his nickname instead of real name. Some poeple online are just wierd about "real names".
Bull
Posted by: Brahm Aug 3 2006, 04:22 PM
| QUOTE (Bull @ Aug 3 2006, 10:52 AM) |
| If Frank asked, he likely could have gotten credited with his nickname instead of real name. Some poeple online are just wierd about "real names". |
Best to ask him directly to be sure, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere here back in the old, old posts in the archives here from another poster that knows him in person saying that 'Trollman' is his real last name. If you check online phonebooks, at least in the couple southern states I did, it is indeed a real last name. Interestingly nobody in Canada has that surname listed for a phone.
Posted by: winterhawk11 Aug 3 2006, 06:50 PM
| QUOTE (Brahm) |
| Best to ask him directly to be sure, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere here back in the old, old posts in the archives here from another poster that knows him in person saying that 'Trollman' is his real last name. |
I'm pretty sure that's his real name too, since I ran into a guy who knows him personally at my FLGS (I mentioned that I work on Shadowrun, and the guy said something about gaming with Frank Trollman.) Haven't met him yet, though.
Posted by: SL James Aug 3 2006, 07:23 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| If Frank asked, he likely could have gotten credited with his nickname instead of real name. Some poeple online are just wierd about "real names". |
Oh, yeah. I know all about that one.
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