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Posted by: venenum Aug 31 2007, 01:50 PM

Does anyone have any information on Florida and what happened to it, during the years, I have a plan for an Amerindian character from Florida, and want some history from the SR universe?

(The character is supposed to be seminole, and I would like to make the character not screw up with language barrier stuff.)

[I think it belongs in this forum]

Posted by: Kyoto Kid Aug 31 2007, 02:57 PM

...well as I recall, the southern portion of the state is now part of the Caribbean League. The Panhandle and I think northern peninsula (J'ville) is in the CAS. Don't have my map handy at the moment for I'm at work.

Posted by: Ancient History Aug 31 2007, 05:15 PM

I wish the entire state would sink into the ocean.

As for the Florida Seminole tribe, it's not specified but they probably would have been segregated during the troubles - possibly even shipped off with their Oklahoma cousins. In any event, they probably relocated to the NAN at some point.

Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Aug 31 2007, 05:35 PM

I think the Miami area is pretty much a free fire zone between different corps making runs on each other. I agree about the Seminoles though. After the Ghost Dance War, indians were relocated out of the east to the NAN. I think it was like "No you are not having soverign territory here when we just gave 1/2 the continent to the indians. Go ask the Souix for some land."

Posted by: tisoz Aug 31 2007, 06:37 PM

I agree with Ancient History. I think the Seminoles would have been rounded up after the Lone Eagle incident, 2009, and put in internment camps, 2010. The Ghost Dance War started in 2014 when they left the reservation.

Another discrepancy just occurred to me. When trying to bolster the number of native americans, the authors claimed that hispanics were included as native americans. If this is true, it contradicts the Caribbean League being able to exert much of any influence on a non-hispanic Miami and southern Florida.

Posted by: eidolon Aug 31 2007, 06:49 PM

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Posted by: Ancient History Aug 31 2007, 07:09 PM

QUOTE (tisoz)

Another discrepancy just occurred to me. When trying to bolster the number of native americans, the authors claimed that hispanics were included as native americans. If this is true, it contradicts the Caribbean League being able to exert much of any influence on a non-hispanic Miami and southern Florida.

That was after the NAN was formed; the hispanics weren't loaded up into camps or anything, and a great number probably stayed put and welcomed the Carib League with open arms.

Posted by: venenum Aug 31 2007, 07:35 PM

Hmmm... Looks like if i want him to be from the everglades, he will have to be hispanic.

Though that may work...

Thanks for the input.

Posted by: tisoz Sep 1 2007, 12:40 AM

If you want him to be seminole from the everglades have him be a seminole from the everglades. I doubt if they could find every person hiding in the everglades, especially when the ones who know the swamp the best are seminole.

Posted by: venenum Sep 1 2007, 01:10 AM

QUOTE (tisoz)

I understand that but i kinda want to make him more main stream, though maybe, just maybe, i will make him a seminole anyway.

Posted by: Mercer Sep 1 2007, 01:41 AM

I think having a Seminole come from Southern Florida would be pretty easy. The Seminole Nation might have picked up and moved to the NAN (I think there already are reservations in both FLA and in Oklahoma), but not every single individual is going to pick up and move. Keep in mind the Seminoles of Florida never signed a formal peace treaty with the US government, and refer to themselves as "The Unconquered People." If they survived the formation of the United States, they could probably survive the dissolution.

With the Carib League controlling Miami, and the Everglades not being the sort of place you can easily build minimalls and subdivisions, I could very easily see the Seminole Nation of Florida still going strong.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Sep 2 2007, 04:04 PM

Right, just because someone is an indian doesn't mean they live on a reservation. Just have this guy as a Seminole who's family lived on the reservcation etc but he's got a nice house, maybe an administrator in Tallahassee, a swamp guide in the swamps south of Orlando or a lawyer in Jacksonville. etc

Posted by: warrior_allanon Sep 2 2007, 07:30 PM

from what i can remember of things that happened with florida, south of J'ville is Carabean league, Panhandle is a mix of CAS and NAN, basically anything Panama City and east is CAS and the areas around Eglin AFB to the alabama border is NAN, the north side of J'ville is the Ghettos for the trolls and Orks, consider it similar to Glow City or the barrens in Seatle, Tallahasee is still the capital, and the seat of magical power. thats about all i remember, besides that the Santa Rosa county fault line is actually a ley line,

Posted by: tisoz Sep 3 2007, 04:30 AM

QUOTE (warrior_allanon @ Sep 2 2007, 03:30 PM)

from what i can remember of things that happened with florida, south of J'ville is Carabean league,

Well, yeah. Way south of Jacksonville like midway between West Palm Beach (where anyone named Chad need worry about being hung

) and Miami. At least that is where I always saw the border, most recently in SoNA.

QUOTE

Panhandle is a mix of CAS and NAN, basically anything Panama City and east is CAS and the areas around Eglin AFB to the alabama border is NAN,

Huh??? The NAN gets no further east than the Texas border, unless you include Aztlan. And then they get part way into what was formerly Texas/CAS.

The border between CAS and Caribbean League (CL) illustrated in SoNA looks to run from Fort Lauderdale to Marco, close to - but not quite along - I75.

Presently, the Seminoles control vast amounts of ranch land in Florida, not just living on a destitute reservation. I do not recall the exact proportion but it seemed somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of all the dairy cows run in FL belong to the Seminoles. So your Seminole could be the descendant of a rich ranch owner, or inherited the ranch, located in future CAS or less likely CL. Or he could be one of the Seminoles living in the everglades, likely future CL territory.

Posted by: Casazil Sep 6 2007, 04:39 AM

QUOTE (Ancient History)

I wish the entire state would sink into the ocean.

HEY! I live here dang it don't drown me HONESTLY I'm not that bad a guy.

Don't even start Magus :}

Posted by: tisoz Sep 6 2007, 09:15 AM

In 1998, I started wishing Louisiana would suffer a catastrophe...

Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Sep 6 2007, 01:33 PM

Just don't watch Emeril. it is easier that way.

Posted by: Fuchs Sep 8 2007, 05:33 PM

We run a campaign in Miami, and handle the town as split up between Gunderson Corp, and the Mafia.