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Posted by: darthmord Sep 12 2007, 01:54 PM

Whatever happened to that female mage (who was often described as having a mageblade) and the decker (Dodger) that were featured in the various fluff of SR1 & 2?

I think they were both on the cover of one of the core SR rule books too.

Are they both still around and kicking?

Posted by: Aaron Sep 12 2007, 01:59 PM

I think they haven't been born yet.

Posted by: eidolon Sep 12 2007, 02:11 PM

I think you mean Sally Tsung. They were on the covers of 1st and 2nd editions' core books, along with Ghost-Who-Walks-Inside, IIRC.

As far as where they are now, couldn't tell you. Dodger, along with Mageara, assisted the otaku against Deus and Jormungand in part of System Failure, and I don't know of any mention beyond that. And I have no idea what the fates of Sally and Ghost are/were.

Posted by: adamu Sep 12 2007, 02:18 PM

Just to take a wild, uneducated, non-SR insider guess - I always assumed that the players of those characters and other classic NPCs were some of the original designers who have since (very sadly) left the game.
They left, their characters left.

Posted by: Fortune Sep 12 2007, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Aaron)

I think they haven't been born yet.

Well, Dodger has been born, as he is a Spike Baby.

Posted by: Aaron Sep 12 2007, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Fortune)

QUOTE (Aaron @ Sep 12 2007, 11:59 PM)

I think they haven't been born yet.

Well, Dodger has been born, as he is a Spike Baby.

"Has been born" or "could have been born?"

Posted by: Caine Hazen Sep 12 2007, 04:29 PM

Dodger is dead. I believe there is something in Systems Failure about that. Or somewhere like that...

Sally disappears back into the shadows somewhere, and I believe she's mentioned in passing in a few of the novels. I'm sure someone else will pipe in here with page references.

Posted by: eidolon Sep 12 2007, 04:34 PM

Aaron, I think I'm missing something here. These runners, as of 2070, have obviously been "born" in the biological sense, and are likely getting up there in age (with varying effects, obviously) by this point.

Are you using "born" to mean "have been mentioned in SR4"?

Posted by: MITJA3000+ Sep 12 2007, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (eidolon)

He's just messing with you, since most of the characters AREN'T and probably never will be born IN REAL LIFE.

Posted by: Large Mike Sep 12 2007, 05:06 PM

He's being silly. He's using the present tense to mean 2007.

Posted by: Casazil Sep 12 2007, 06:22 PM

IIRC Ghost was in Chicago during the bug stuff and almost died his ally spirit went free and chose to stay by his side and keep him alive not sure what happened after the wall came down.

Posted by: Naysayer Sep 12 2007, 06:44 PM

Ghost had an Ally Spirit?
Ghost-Who-Walks-Inside? Amerind guy, about this tall, painted face, dual-wields Ingrams, killed a dragon with a minigun once? THE Ghost?

Posted by: darthmord Sep 12 2007, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (Caine Hazen)

I don't recall seeing anything in SF saying Dodger died. I do know that Cap's fate is uncertain and undetermined. I'll re-read the pertinent section on Dodger this evening to see.

But you know... Fastjack says he was born in 1999. It's now 2070. He's an old man. Many of those folks from 1st & 2nd Editions are now getting along in their years if they are still alive.

That said, if I were a decker/hacker, I would NOT face off against Fastjack.

Posted by: Casazil Sep 12 2007, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Naysayer)

Ghost had an Ally Spirit?
Ghost-Who-Walks-Inside? Amerind guy, about this tall, painted face, dual-wields Ingrams, killed a dragon with a minigun once? THE Ghost?

As I said if I remember correct it was in one of the novels it was some time ago that I read them.

Posted by: Irian Sep 12 2007, 07:13 PM

There's a book about a guy in Bug City, whose ally comes free (I think it's "Buring Bright"), but that guy is NOT Ghost-Who-Walks-Inside, because Ghost is a samurai, but that guy's a mage

Posted by: ThreeGee Sep 12 2007, 07:23 PM

The guy in Burning Bright is, I think Kyle Teller.

Posted by: eidolon Sep 12 2007, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (MITJA3000+)

He's just messing with you, since most of the characters AREN'T and probably never will be born IN REAL LIFE.

QUOTE (Large Mike)

He's being silly. He's using the present tense to mean 2007.

Wow.

Slap me with the Missing the Obvious stick.

Posted by: Malachi Sep 12 2007, 09:40 PM

I just checked SF. It describes that Dodger is at the heart of Overwatch's plan to destroy Deus. They are counting on Dodger to "awaken" the part(s) of Morgan that are still in Deus' core. That, combined with what's left of Morgan (Megaera) and some of Deus' Nodes that Ronin freed, they hope to destroy Deus. When Mirage and his otaku join the part, they appear to start to win, but then Puck places the Jormungand virus and the Matrix crashes.

No mention is made of Dodger after the Crash.

Posted by: Johnny Zen Sep 17 2007, 09:24 AM

The "official" NPCs have always been a pet peeve of mine. I was very dissapointed to see that Prime Runners did not include The Dodger, Ghost-Who-Walks-Inside or any of the others, though i did like most of the new ones.

I saw that knasser did a nice SR4 version of Harlequin on his site. Did anybody else stat up some of the official NPCs? Or update the ones from Prime Runners? Or stat up perhaps Hatchetman, Grinder, Argent, or Striper? SR3, SR4, SR2 any edition welcome...

Posted by: Grinder Sep 17 2007, 11:56 AM

Wow, there exists an NPC called Grinder? Never noticed before... where can I find him?

Posted by: redne Sep 17 2007, 12:22 PM

I always wondered what happened to Nadja Daviar. According to SF she survives assasination attempt in Seattle in November 2064, apparently declares martial law but then there is nothing. It seems she did not become the President after Haeffner died.

It would seem strange that the Vice President of UCAS disappears for six years and no-one cares.

Posted by: Johnny Zen Sep 17 2007, 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Grinder @ Sep 17 2007, 06:56 AM)

Wow, there exists an NPC called Grinder? Never noticed before... where can I find him?

Yes there does.

Grinder is the founder of the Red Hot Nukes gang in Redmond. Black dwarf adept ex-runner with an anarchic streak who likes to blow up things and founded the 'Nukes to counter a mysterious threat that he learned about on his last run.

I think he's mentioned in the New Seattle sourcebook.

Posted by: Grinder Sep 17 2007, 12:58 PM

Ah yeah, I remember about that gang. An interesting character, at least.

Posted by: Larsine Sep 17 2007, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (ThreeGee)

The guy in Burning Bright is, I think Kyle Teller.

Sure is, and his ally spirit is/was Seeks-The-Moon. He also had ele^H^H^Hbound spirits called Charlotte and Winston.

Lars

Posted by: ThreeGee Sep 17 2007, 07:19 PM

And water elementals called Elliot and Richard both of whom get carked by roach spirits.

As a result of this thread I ferreted out my copy of Burning Bright for a reread, probably the best SR novel I think.

Posted by: darthmord Sep 17 2007, 08:23 PM

Methinks I'm going to have to go Amazon / Ebay diving...

Posted by: mfb Sep 17 2007, 08:36 PM

honestly, i prefer to think that they went out on one job too many and got themselves killed. not because i don't like them, but because i do like them--i like them as street level punk shadowrunners who, for all the phenomenal things they accomplished in their careers, are never going to be anything more than street punk shadowrunners.

Posted by: Sammiel Sep 17 2007, 09:33 PM

Ghost Who Walks Inside is listed in the 4ed core book as an example of level 6 firearms, 'Individual superstars among elite forces'.

Granted, many many PCs may have enormous dicepools, but within the abstract of the actual SR universe where characters aren't meticulously optimized, I imagine most successful shadowrunners are perfectly capable with 4s and 5s, so a 6 is truly exceptional. Ghost is probably enjoying his retirement.

I do find it odd that they listed Thunder Tyee as an example of a 7 firearms, the only thing I ever remember reading about his marksmanship was some obscure reference to him putting a cannon round into a submarine during the pre-treaty days.

Posted by: Glyph Sep 18 2007, 01:46 AM

QUOTE (darthmord)

That said, if I were a decker/hacker, I would NOT face off against Fastjack.

I don't think Fastjack is still around. Wasn't the SR1 decker archetype going to "put him in the history banks"?

Posted by: Fortune Sep 18 2007, 02:10 AM

QUOTE (Glyph)

I don't think Fastjack is still around.

Well, he's still posting as of Augmentation.

Posted by: Adarael Sep 18 2007, 02:16 AM

QUOTE (Glyph)

QUOTE (darthmord)

That said, if I were a decker/hacker, I would NOT face off against Fastjack.

I don't think Fastjack is still around. Wasn't the SR1 decker archetype going to "put him in the history banks"?

GAIUS HELEN MOHAIM: "Many have tried."
PAUL: "Tried and failed?"
GAIUS HELEN MOHAIM: "Tried and died."

Posted by: darthmord Sep 18 2007, 12:04 PM

Ya know, life would have to suck for FastJack. Look at all the friends and compatriots he's more or less had to help bury.

I especially liked the fluff text at the beginning of a chapter where he dscribes himself as a fossil and admonishes the kids to pay attention and they might learn something.

Makes him rather believable.

Posted by: Casper Sep 19 2007, 01:36 AM

Want the name Ghost Who Walks Alone Aka Ghost Maker

Posted by: WhiskeyMac Sep 19 2007, 03:00 AM

QUOTE (Grinder)

Wow, there exists an NPC called Grinder? Never noticed before... where can I find him?

Besides being mentioned in New Seattle, you can find stats for him in Brainscan. He is on page 49 and is a Grade 4 initiate.

Posted by: Adarael Sep 19 2007, 04:32 AM

Yeah. He's the head of the gang the Red Hot Nukes, who specialize in blowing stuff up. Word is that Grinder 'saw something horrible' back in his days of being a runner, and is training the Nukes to be an army against it.

Horrible probably means bugs or horrors or the like. They never came clean on it.

Posted by: Johnny Zen Sep 19 2007, 07:21 AM

QUOTE (WhiskeyMac)

QUOTE (Grinder @ Sep 17 2007, 11:56 AM)

Wow, there exists an NPC called Grinder? Never noticed before... where can I find him?

Besides being mentioned in New Seattle, you can find stats for him in Brainscan. He is on page 49 and is a Grade 4 initiate.

Whoa interesting! I¨ll have to dig that one out...

Posted by: Johnny Zen Sep 19 2007, 07:22 AM

QUOTE (Casper)

Want the name Ghost Who Walks Alone Aka Ghost Maker

Come again?

Posted by: Sammiel Sep 19 2007, 03:17 PM

I believe you are confusing Ghost Who Walks Inside with the other amerind samurai of the sam verner novels, who died in book 3 of the secrets of power trilogy, Find your own truth.