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Posted by: JongWK Nov 26 2003, 02:47 PM

Ok, people, lets see our reasons...

Posted by: Abstruse Nov 26 2003, 02:47 PM

Aztechnology...if you don't know why, shame on you.

The Abstruse One

Posted by: Sphynx Nov 26 2003, 02:51 PM

Aztlan...errr.... Aztechnology... Governments...err... corps just shouldn't have those damn pyramids, and so damn many of them.

Posted by: Solidcobra Nov 26 2003, 03:00 PM

Why do you hate aztechnology?
It's just another AAA corp......
or is it? *Dum dum DUM*

Posted by: JongWK Nov 26 2003, 03:07 PM

And they have the best PR team in the world...

Posted by: Solidcobra Nov 26 2003, 03:08 PM

so you hate their PR teams?
*Doesn't know what Aztech did that's so horrible*

Posted by: Traks Nov 26 2003, 03:14 PM

Renraku. Dunno why, there was some reason but my progressing sclerosis prevents to name it. Aztechnology - neh, everyone discriminates them. In fact they are best company in many spheres. And don't ask why my name is on their PR manager's list

Posted by: Sahandrian Nov 26 2003, 03:15 PM

Oh, they're just bringing about the apocalypse is all.

And though one of my characters has a major problem with Ares, personally, I'd have to vote Aztech. Calling demonic forces to our world is very no.

Posted by: Earthwalker Nov 26 2003, 03:15 PM

In the game world I have created Aztecnology and SK seem to inspire the most fear and hated. I think this is in some way the picture I paint of them.

The one unique thing about them both as they have been presented in adventures and sourcebooks is that both of them will and have taken things personally were as the other big ten dont seem to.

I cant remember the scenario where Aztecnology were after two combat bikers erm Punch and Judy becuase of actions they had taken against Aztecnology in there shadowrunner past.

SK being vindictive is just the natural of having a dragon running the show. Speculation about SKs action does lead alot of people to believe that if prompted Loftwyr could and would take actions against him and his corporation personally.

Of course I do love the fact that Aztecnology is winning the voting for evilest megacorp when a poll of the ocupants of 2063 Seattle would have them as one of the nicest corps, after all they have some of the best spin doctors out there.

Posted by: JongWK Nov 26 2003, 03:16 PM

QUOTE

so you hate their PR teams?

No, I was just saying that they usually get away with anything they want. The public just loves them.

I despise Aztech, not for the same reasons most people do, but because so many "normal" people inside it accept what the corp really seems to stand for.

Shiawase and Mitsuhama come close. Shiawase just doesn't click with me, they aren't as attractive as the others. They might as well scrap it and put a new corp. Oh, don't forget the Shiawase Decision.

Mitsuhama embodies the classical zaibatsu you see in Gibson's novels. Absolute, dehumanized disregard for the world.

I must clarify something: Oh I do hate Aztech, but it is one the best corps to have fun with.

Posted by: Solidcobra Nov 26 2003, 03:19 PM

Question: Why does people hate renraku?
The books (i think it was the companion and rigger 3) mentioned something horrible happening with them involved.....
*Knows very little about the corps, seeing as i only have the "Must have to play" books*

Posted by: JongWK Nov 26 2003, 03:27 PM

They are fully responsible for the Renraku Arcology Shutdown and everything that followed.

Posted by: Sphynx Nov 26 2003, 03:36 PM

Well, with the way Aztlan is laying waste to forests with their chemical weapons used on their own people, they honestly should be the most hated for their complete lack of humanity.

In our games, we've actually assisted Amazonia with recapturing much of the lands, giving them possession all the way up to the Panama Canal. Currently working with Denver(Ghostwalker) and UCAS to push them out of Texas, though it appears that Texas will end up being its own government in the process as they don't seem to be willing to join either UCAS nor CAS (nor the Indian tribal lands). We've been 'stationed' in Austin for about 4 months game-time now, though we do move around alot so are rarely actually at that location. Trying to get ahold of the Aztlan book before I take over the GMing in Jan.

Sphynx

Posted by: Centurion Nov 26 2003, 03:53 PM

Why would the UCAS give a flying flip about Texas? And forming it's own government

Granted, being from there, I'd love to see a Texan freedomfighter game, but just confused on how any successful outcome would result in anything besides the rest of the state just joining the CAS (remember, they only lost San Antonio and south, not everything to the Sabine river.)

Posted by: Solidcobra Nov 26 2003, 03:54 PM

Last question! (Maybe, buy asking=learning, right?)
What is the Renraku Archology Shutdown? I couldn't find any real info about it in the books i have (Most "splatbooks", the companion and the sourcebook)....
Me=

Posted by: Sphynx Nov 26 2003, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Centurion)

Why would the UCAS give a flying flip about Texas? And forming it's own government

Actually I mean CAS not UCAS in who we were helping out, sorry about the confusion there.

Sphynx

Posted by: Sahandrian Nov 26 2003, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Solidcobra)

Last question! (Maybe, buy asking=learning, right?)
What is the Renraku Archology Shutdown? I couldn't find any real info about it in the books i have

[ Spoiler ]

Posted by: JongWK Nov 26 2003, 04:12 PM

The books you are looking for are:

Renraku Arcology: Shutdown
Brainscan
Threats 2
Matrix

Posted by: Siege Nov 26 2003, 04:20 PM

I dunno -- I've never played "On a Mission" characters, so I can't say that I really despise any particular AAA.

Except maybe the AAARP -- damn drivers...

-Siege

Posted by: Req Nov 26 2003, 04:43 PM

If I wasn't the GM, Aztech would be far and away the mega I hate most.

FOr exactly the same reasons, because I am the GM, Aztech is my most favoritist megacorp. Ever.

And no way am I letting Darke die. Canon is wrong, baby.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 26 2003, 05:21 PM

I answered mine from a player's point of view, not a character's. Ares is just really, really boring, so it tends to be the one I hate the most. Aztechnology may be the most evil, but at least it has style and is fun to use. Ares... not so much.

Plus I hate the names they give their weapons. "Ares Alpha" and "Ares Predator" just sound stupid.

Posted by: Connor Nov 26 2003, 05:52 PM

I had to vote Aztecnology as well. Mostly because of the whole summon evil things to the world. Although, just about everything about the corp gives me the shivers. It's probably impossible to go through a day without using some sort of Aztech or Aztech subsidiaries product, even if you would prefer not too...horrible.

On Ares, I tend to have a lot of fun with them. As Doctor Funkenstein says there, they do have a nice clean boring corporate face, but as the saying goes "It's always the quiet ones." As an example, I think Threats 2 shows just the kind of sick and twisted stuff you can do with Ares behind the scenes.

Posted by: Crimson Jack Nov 26 2003, 05:58 PM

I like them all. I am a GM.

Posted by: Jpwoo Nov 26 2003, 06:10 PM

My players are distrustful of WalMarts in real life. So when I was running a game with azzies as the main targets, the characters found the now ubiquitous AzMarts everywhere. The players actually went there quite a bit, it is a good place to buy duct tape at 4 am.

As a GM I like all the corp. I guess I just feel sorry for all the poor corp guards who my runners have killed over the years. All those families thrown into turmoil. Thank goodness the AAA corps are there to pick up the peice left behind when Evil runners destroy lives.

Posted by: Cray74 Nov 26 2003, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)

Actually, one of the (many) reasons I dislike Aztechnology is that it's evil without (IMO) style. It's just a faceless megacorp hiding behind do-whatever-it-takes PR hit squads pushing a thousand unrelated products, doing evil things like supporting blood shamans, human sacrifices, crushing rebels in a generic stupid evil empire kinda way, etc. The faux-Aztec cover just isn't enough style for me.

Saeder-Krupp I liked as an evil empire. It had style. It had a quality evil overlord. It was distinctive: remorseless German industry combined with great dragon strength. Now, I'm starting to wonder if SK not's so much an evil empire as "good empire achieving its goals through inscruitable dragon means," which'd be a bit disappointing, but it's cool.

Posted by: Synner Nov 26 2003, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (Cray74 @ Nov 26 2003, 06:32 PM)

Saeder-Krupp I liked as an evil empire. It had style. It had a quality evil overlord. It was distinctive: remorseless German industry combined with great dragon strength. Now, I'm starting to wonder if SK not's so much an evil empire as "good empire achieving its goals through inscruitable dragon means," which'd be a bit disappointing, but it's cool.

Aha! It worked. The psychotropic effects are kicking in. They're starting to have doubts. Now for phase 2.

Posted by: JongWK Nov 26 2003, 07:27 PM

QUOTE (Synner)

Aha! It worked. The psychotropic effects are kicking in. They're starting to have doubts. Now for phase 2.

You teaser!

Must... wait... for... SoE...

Posted by: Nath Nov 26 2003, 08:24 PM

As a corp, I dislike Shiawase more than Aztechnology. Big A "evilness" is a product of some of its shareholders (the Ortiz-Ramos-Ortegua cartel, Roxborough and above all Oscuro). Not every secretary in Aztechnology subsidiaries support human sacrifice to welcome the Horrors on Earth. If you remove those boss (leaving a nice guy like McLure for instance) and their hardcore servants, Aztechnology could become a more normal corp (in theory that's what's supposed to happen since Oscuro disapeared in '57). Otherwise I wouldn't want Aztechnology to be stopped because of hate, but because from a very rational, non-emotional point of view it's the best thing to do. On the other hand Shiawase (and to a slighter extent Ares) has a strong "corporate family" culture that I really can't stand. Even if you wipe out the Shiawase legal family, that would probably stay as it is. Blsh...

Posted by: Centurion Nov 26 2003, 08:53 PM

QUOTE (Cray74)

Well, I'd say that would be a good description of the way Mexico is right now. The ruling PRI party control(ed)s Mexico through extremely pragmatic authoritarianism, never paying lipservice to any one ideology and/or "style." A lot of this ain't known by the world culture at large, but there's a lot of aspects to Mexican culture with regards to revenge on American culture (or in SR, the remnants thereof) that are easily seen to manifest in the Azzies (check out the Texas section of the NAGTNA). There's also a hell of a lot of racism, so much so that I highly doubt UGE and goblinization is going to eradicate the feeling that the gringos still have stuff that belongs to us.

You just gotta push that chip-on-the-shoulder, ultra nationalist, anti-anglosphere bent and they become even more loathesome. You have any characters from the CAS in the group with even the slightest trace of patriotism? Be sure to rub it in their face. Sombreros meet jackboots and human sacrifice. Being half mexican and from the Texas-Mexico border, a big lizard and some Germans with sticks up their unmentionables just don't have the same appeal.

Posted by: Digital Heroin Nov 26 2003, 09:59 PM

Can't you see the truth man? Cross has his little Seraphs all over the place... their evil little hands are in every pie man... watch out, they can hear your digital thoughts... *puts on his tin foil hat*

Posted by: hp_warcraft Nov 26 2003, 10:15 PM

Good - No hate for Novatech! That's where my corp contact works.

OOC: Aztechnology - they are trying to hasten the coming of the Horrors.
IC: Aztechnology - they have a bad rep on the streets of 2061.

I am unanimous in my dislike of the Azzies!

Posted by: Diesel Nov 27 2003, 12:51 AM

Why the hate to Ares? Chances are, half your team is packing something made by them, and the other half is thankful for that.

Posted by: FlakJacket Nov 27 2003, 02:59 AM

Where's the "All of them equally" button?

Posted by: Shanshu Freeman Nov 27 2003, 10:06 AM

I voted for Aztech, of course, but I think SK took my second place... I'm actually surprised to see they're getting so few votes.

Posted by: Sepherim Nov 27 2003, 11:21 AM

Ares, without doubt. They're image of "we are the good guys" just pissess me off.

Posted by: JongWK Nov 27 2003, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (FlakJacket)

Where's the "All of them equally" button?

We're being picky today, chummer.

Posted by: Fix-it Nov 27 2003, 03:49 PM

looks like it's a landslide for Aztechnology, bringers of the Demonic forces, and the Apocalypse!

Posted by: Dim Sum Nov 28 2003, 06:16 AM

Doesn't it really depend on what kind of character you're playing in any one particular instance? If you're playing a runner with altruistic motives, then I can see why you'd hate Aztech so much (heck, I could see why you'd hate all the megas) but if you're playing a runner without any morals and view all corps as sources of the next paycheck, you wouldn't hate any one of them unless one (or more of them) had crossed you in the past.

Posted by: Traks Nov 28 2003, 08:31 AM

Sorry to see that everyone hate Aztechnology so much.
Go in corner and feel ashamed for yourselves

Posted by: zephir Nov 28 2003, 02:00 PM

I voted Saeder-Krupp, because it behaves much like contemporary corps.

Posted by: Utahraptor Dec 4 2003, 03:20 AM

I will admit, Aztechnology is sort of like a Shadowrun PRC, where business and government are one, but they pertend to be sperate and thereby are hypocrits.

I voted for Seader-Krupp, though, because of an entry I saw in Rigger 3 that implies SK has Heavy Carriers. Now, you don't need those for battling othe Corps, you need those for attacking other countires. And SK is revitlizing German Industry through agressive practices....

World War IV, anyone? If that doesn't grab you, the second EuroWar. Mark my words, that damn dragon is plotting something.

Posted by: moosegod Dec 4 2003, 05:22 AM

Lofwyr is trying to conquer Europe pure and simple. That's something I understand. Summoning demons from another dimension? That's just bad. And they're an overgrown drug cartel/ software pirating firm.

I don't get that feeling of zaibatsu with Ares. That may be because I have no real books on Ares, not even Corporate Download.

I'm glad Mitsuhama is bad. I kinda selected them at random for a level 6 enemy for one of my alturistic characters. And yes, he's still alive. He's just too cool to kill.

Posted by: CanvasBack Dec 4 2003, 05:46 AM

I used to think Aztechnology was bad. In fact, I still do on many levels. But I voted for Mitsuhama. Why? Basically, the situation in Tsimsham (sp?) combined with their hardcore, almost Mengela-like techniques for acquiring and using test subjects for their various cybermancy projects. At least Aztechnology kills a poor slag on the blood altar, they don't put his central nervouse system into the body of a hell hound, yet...

Posted by: Prospero Dec 4 2003, 08:05 AM

Gotta agree with CanvasBack. Aztech is bad. And I hate them. But MCT is almost just as bad what with the whole dispoiling the land and stuff (Tsimshian). I mean, Horrors go away after a few hundred years, but the land just stays there, right? And S-K are bastards, but too good at it to really hate.

Just out of curiosity, who hated Wuxing and why? It has 3% or so and nobody's said a word on it. I think Wuxing kicks lots of hoop - why hate 'em? (Well, they steal other people's orichalchum, granted. But they have wizzer stockholder meetings, right?)

Posted by: Fortune Dec 4 2003, 08:26 AM

That'd be me. I have a premonition about Wuxing. I think they have everyone fooled into thinking they are somewhat harmless and benevelent.

Posted by: BumsofTacoma Dec 4 2003, 08:36 AM

I have to split my vote between Aztec and Renraku

evil evil AI!!!!! how dare i lose 2 character to renraku!!!!! no flashbacks the horror the horror!

statistically speaking though aztecs pretty evil.

Posted by: Cakeman Dec 4 2003, 10:45 AM

Now lets compare things here... horrors, they are quite singleminded. We *know* what they want, and therefore we can figure out how to survive once they're here. Dragons on the other hand... who ever knows what they want, or why? And they're here NOW! SK is evil I tell you! It's bad enough they lair somewhere and have magic influense, but when they start owning corporations... evil!

Posted by: Traks Dec 4 2003, 12:17 PM

QUOTE (Cakeman @ Dec 4 2003, 10:45 AM)

[ Spoiler ]

But really, humanity have survived few apocalypses. One more or one less doesn't change things much. But world domination does, and in bad way. Unless it is me, of course

Posted by: thunderchild Dec 4 2003, 12:27 PM

Novatech - Cause Villers is an Asshole.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 4 2003, 12:54 PM

I went Aztechnology for all the obvious reasons, but Wuxing does irk me. Glad to see a lack of outpouring of hate for Yamatetsu; in my book, they're as close as corps get to "good guys" (not that close, but better than nothing), and besides, Vladivostok is just cool.

~J

Posted by: bwdemon Dec 4 2003, 03:26 PM

I chose Shiawase, for no other reason than the fact that they were the ones who managed to establish corporate extraterritoriality, which lead to the creation of the AAA megas in the first place.

Posted by: Shinobi Killfist Dec 4 2003, 07:38 PM

Cross, I don't like cross and the seraphawhtevers.

Ares I like, it’s the corp. most likely not to stab their independent contractors (runners) in the back. That and they make big guns, that my friends can kill people with in annoyingly noisy ways. This is far better than me getting killed in an annoyingly noisy way.

Posted by: Slash_Thompson Dec 4 2003, 08:53 PM

Wuxing - Damn upstarts!