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Posted by: MaxHunter Jan 9 2008, 05:16 AM
And yes, I do have Shadows of Europe...
The year is 2062 and my group of players are planning on relocating their operations to somewhere away from the American continent. -They still have to escape from Ares hit squads and survive a deal with their Yamatetsu handlers- However, If everything comes out nicely, (some) of them will skirt Seattle and hopefully start afresh in a new place.
I had suggested Hong Kong, but these characters would be too conspicuous. As one of them is actually a German dwarf and another has a fixer with a couple German connections, I know they will move under Lofwyr's shadow...
The thing is, I have to plan the campaign ahead and have something there to welcome them. I still don't know what city to use and which "flavor" and plot elements I could make the most of there.
I was considering Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Frankfurt or the Rhine Rhur Megaplex.
Have you ever played any campaigns there? Are you from Germany? Have you got any used or unused German runs you can tell me? Maps? I am still undecided on what kind of environment I want to build. The only conditions I imagine are that: it should not be a corporate enclave, Ares presence should be weak or nonexistent and it should have enough space to keep recently arrived elite group of shadowrunners busy and happily in the shadows.
They will probably use the city as a staging ground for Europe based runs so loose borders and bribable customs could be useful too. (mmm... this sounded interesting... maybe I post this as a IC post in the "welcome to the shadows section)
Anyway, help, stories and inspiration appreciated. "War Stories" most welcome (¿Run stories?)
Cheers!
Max
P.S. I have never been to Germany nor I speak the language, and neither do any of my players. We are quite keen on reading enciclopedias, though 
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 9 2008, 09:58 AM
i'd suggest Hamburg . . mainly because i am living there at the moment and have done so for over 3 fourths of my life but also because it is the only city in which a rigger can get to actually use a mini sub to get through town ^^
also there's smuggeling galore to get in and out of the city and it is not directly under golden snouts nose . .
Posted by: TW Jan 9 2008, 10:11 AM
I'd say Hamburg is your best bet. It has the right mix of barren and safe areas. It's a good entry point into the AGS and has the port and its smugglers, the vory etc. aside from the 'regular' shadowrunner atmosphere.
Rhine-Ruhr is pretty much in Lofwyr's grip - though Ares presence is limited because of that - and has corporate enclaves by the dozen. However, the udnerworld war between the italian mob and the other syndicates in the area might be interesting to play up.
Berlin is half corporate enclaves, half anarchist containment zone. That setting appeals to some, others rather avoid it.
Frankfurt is mostly corporations, Munich is, too, in addition, Munich is very ritzy and glamorous.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 9 2008, 10:24 AM
munich is also in the free state of bavaria which is, if i remember, basically little japan only worse because of the church when it comes to metahumans, cyber/bio and magic . . of course, that could have changed from 3rd to 4th . .
also, the city named wuppertal would be worth mentioning . . they pretty much just built the city over the river wupper and as this place is more and more barrens the deeper you get it is basically the german equivalent to the orc underground in seattle i'd say . . also, if you dig that kinda stuff in the rhein/rhur area there are those old coal mines where supposedly there shall be an subterranean dwarven kingdom beneath one of them . . of course nothing definite, mostly fluff from one or two shadowrun novels *g*
Posted by: Ryu Jan 9 2008, 11:15 AM
I´ll second Hamburg. Nice town, has a waterfront (you did not specify that, but it is important IMO). 4.6 million citizens, so it is large enough.
Any information you need? I don´t own Shadows over Europe, but I can make it up with Germany in the Shadows II.
Posted by: Rotbart van Dainig Jan 9 2008, 11:52 AM
| QUOTE (MaxHunter) |
| I was considering Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Frankfurt or the Rhine Rhur Megaplex. |
Go for Hamburg - it's the only one of those detailed in Runner Havens.
Corporate Enclaves then features Europort, so that adds in nicely.
Posted by: sinthalix Jan 9 2008, 12:38 PM
I spent 9 years over there and I'm partial to Karlsruhe, Frankfurt, and Westrhein-Luxembourg (since I lived in those areas). The last would be a pretty good area for your dwarf (43% dwarven population...from the good ole Germany Sourcebook). If you can get your hands on the Germany Sourcebook, it has a lot more info (and better maps) than Shadows of Europe (of course it's much, much older). The German version (Deutschland in den Schatten) is even better (IMO). I still have to get my hands on the second one they released. I have a bunch of German adventures...but they're all in German so they won't do you much good.
Posted by: MYST1C Jan 9 2008, 01:55 PM
| QUOTE (sinthalix) |
| The German version (Deutschland in den Schatten) is even better (IMO). I still have to get my hands on the second one they released. |
Try to collect all four:
- Deutschland in den Schatten
- Chrom & Dioxin
- Walzer, Punks & Schwarzes ICE
- Deutschland in den Schatten II
Posted by: Ryu Jan 9 2008, 02:06 PM
Yes, there are four of them. DidS2 is still "Nice to have" for germany campaigns, the others you can do without. I assume Shadows over Europe reduces interest in DidS2 further than time did (at least for non-locals).
Posted by: Eurotroll Jan 9 2008, 02:18 PM
I'll echo the previous posters and suggest Hamburg as your entry point. I'm running a street-level campaign there and the "pirate nest" atmosphere is a blast to elaborate on. (Basically I consider the entire southern half of the city -- the half-sunken ghettos and underwater smuggling hideouts -- to be sort of like Tortuga. On Jazz. With semi-automatics instead of muskets. You get the idea. 
)
The latent anti-corp feelings of both the man on the street and the political upper crust also allow for many different run opportunities, such as, in politik-speak, reducing undue influences in the political sphere (wetwork hits on lobbyists), infrastructural reorganisations (hooding for the good of the ghetto), and high-priority evaluations of emergent crises (corp espionage). Add pirate and smuggling opportunities in the North Sea, where you can prey on or trade with London, Europort or the Scandinavian Union, excursions into continental Europe, and you'll be hard-pressed to run out of material.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 9 2008, 02:33 PM
basically, hamburg has about everything there is . . even one or two smaller arcologies(proteus i think has an arcoblock somewhere in the flooded/port area) if i am remembering correctly . . but not one of the big players is really seated there somehow O.o
of course they will have fillials there, but no high security thingies like high tech science workshops or something like that. There's the port and there's the old florist park "planten un blomen"(plants and flowers) where the hamburg university keeps magical active plant-stuff from more or less all around the world . . and of course let's not forget Hagenbecks Tierpark(big old zoo even today) where they have a large variety of critters i think . . oh, and the swimming slums of wild east end are noteworthy too as they can be basically reconfigured/moved to somewhere else on more or less short notice . . i am not really sure if the old Radio/TV-Tower is still there/active as of Shadowrun(today it's basically abandoned as nobody wants to pay the high[fitting] rent for the little space pretty much high up on it) . . and Big Willi the Hamburg pendant to either alcatraz or Las-Vegas(i am not really sure which one of those is true at the moment *g*)
anybody remember the old batman live action series with the BIFF, Boff, Kapow and the such? the villains lairs were somehow allways shown in a weird tilted manner . . you actually can do that in hamburg as parts of the city have sunken lower on some parts *g*
then there's the obligatory gang of ghouls . . something like the dump called rat's nest is there in . . i think altona too . . and of course the more or less actual fleet of smugglers with their hovercrafts, submarines and other such nice things . .
and of course, who could forget the (in)famous red mile? in SR3 that one is either flooded or closer to amsterdams red light destrict *g*
Posted by: Rotbart van Dainig Jan 9 2008, 05:28 PM
| QUOTE (MYST1C) |
Try to collect all four:
|
That would be five, including Brennpunkt: ADL (Target: AGS).
The only SR4 releases of late Fanpro were München Noir (Munich Noir) and SOX.
| QUOTE (MYST1C) |
| Although the country description for Switzerland (in C&D) and Austria (in WPsI) don't fully match those in Shadows of Europe... |
Given that SoE is a much saner approach, that's not really a bad thing.
Posted by: sinthalix Jan 9 2008, 07:43 PM
| QUOTE (MYST1C) | ||
Try to collect all four:
|
That's what I get for leaving the country...now I'll have to spend more Euros on shipping and handling!
Posted by: Grinder Jan 10 2008, 11:48 AM
I'm joining the "take Hamburg"-crowd. The sprawl is huge, allows for many different kind of runs and has a very active political scene (btw, what happened to the Hafenstrasse?).
Getting in and out of the city shouldn't be a problem and the other german sprawls Rhine-Ruhr and Berlin are nearby, same for Europort.
Posted by: Ryu Jan 10 2008, 11:59 AM
The proximity of the other sprawls is something you should take note of, indeed. You can reach every german town within a couple of hours, even by train.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 10 2008, 01:45 PM
you just have to cross several borders between each of those cities and bavaria is more or less off limits *g*
what happened to the hafenstraße?
the harbour/port-street?
i'd hazard a guess that the street became part of the port/harbour when the flood came by *g*
Posted by: Grinder Jan 10 2008, 02:10 PM
| QUOTE (Ryu) |
| The proximity of the other sprawls is something you should take note of, indeed. You can reach every german town within a couple of hours, even by train. |
Yup, distances are much smaller in Germany then in the US. And even though there are some borders to cross before the runners may enter R-R or Berlin, it's not like there are border patrols on every inch.
@Stahlseele: You know... Hafenstrasse... http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafenstra%C3%9Fe
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 10 2008, 03:26 PM
yes, of course i know, but still,i think that part of town has been pretty much changed to at least venetian look *g*
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 10 2008, 04:58 PM
| QUOTE (sinthalix) |
| I spent 9 years over there and I'm partial to Karlsruhe, Frankfurt, and Westrhein-Luxembourg (since I lived in those areas). The last would be a pretty good area for your dwarf (43% dwarven population...from the good ole Germany Sourcebook). |
...lived for a while south of Karlsruhe. Small town between there and Rastatt named Ötigheim. Was there on a student exchange programme while in secondary school 35 years ago. I remember the train service was amazing, there were more trains that stopped there than we have serving Portland OR today. I also remember many an evening at the Rose Club and Gasthaus "Zum Tell". I'm sure a lot has changed since.
[/Entgleisen]
Posted by: Grinder Jan 10 2008, 05:40 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| yes, of course i know, but still,i think that part of town has been pretty much changed to at least venetian look *g* |
If the houses are not completly underwater, they've probably become a hotspot for smugglers and anarchist. I know that I've read about it in one of the german sourcebooks.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 10 2008, 05:43 PM
even those that HAVE been submerged are good hideouts, if you don't mind getting wet and investing some work into making it water-tight . . then just pump out the water, dry it up with some heat and use some soap to get the stink out and you have one heck of a good hiding place . . or submarine hangar or something like that *g*
Posted by: Grinder Jan 10 2008, 07:05 PM
That can be said for most of the flooded city and woulnd't make the Hafenstrasse special. But a network of dedicated, politcally motivated tough guys living in a community is another kind of game...
Posted by: sinthalix Jan 10 2008, 08:40 PM
| QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) | ||
...lived for a while south of Karlsruhe. Small town between there and Rastatt named Ötigheim. Was there on a student exchange programme while in secondary school 35 years ago. I remember the train service was amazing, there were more trains that stopped there than we have serving Portland OR today. I also remember many an evening at the Rose Club and Gasthaus "Zum Tell". I'm sure a lot has changed since. [/Entgleisen] |
The mass transit system was great just about everywhere I lived. All I had to do was walk to the nearest bus stop and I could get anywhere.
The night life in all those places was also awesome! The nightlife in Karlsruhe included places like Das Krokodil above ground and a short distance away (down some steps) Der Krokokeller. At one time, there was even a club built in an abandoned part of the U-bahn...can't remember what it was called. There were several more, but it's been a while and things change.
Frankfurt had (and probably still has) too many to mention...but enough areas to just imagine doing biz in shadows.
Bitburg was cool because they took the old US air base and converted many of the buildings into new uses: fighter shelters into themed bars/concert halls, the chapel into a bar, and the fitness center into a strip club.
Each of these areas has old bases (or some still active bases today) that have been converted into something else. Depending on the GM's timeline, some may hide secrets still undiscovered for the intrepid runners.
Posted by: Grinder Jan 10 2008, 09:00 PM
It's important to note that the US army had been stationed in the southwestern part of Germany, while in other parts british and french troops were, but not as much as the US ones.
Posted by: Ryu Jan 10 2008, 09:19 PM
You need to consider limited space in more than intercity travel times.
Our flats and houses are smaller. With the SSG lifestyle creation system, everyone saved money on space... a whole category lower.
But the buildings are different, much more solid walls, nearly all made of stone.
And in former West Germany, there is a village of 1500+ citizens every 4 km (sometimes farther, often closer). The swamped, toxic part of germany would be exempted of course.
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 10 2008, 09:27 PM
...I am looking very forward to spending a good amount of time in Germany during my upcoming trip. Most of the areas where the great JS Bach and Martin Luther spent their lives were in the DDR when I was last there. Cities like Halle, Leipzig, Köthen, Weimar, Erfurt and Wittenberg were all behind the old Iron Curtain (not a recommended destination for an American to travel in the early 70s though I did go to Berlin and had the opportunity to visit a Great Aunt in the eastern sector on a special visa).
Of course I will be "training" it all the way once I'm over there.
Posted by: Grinder Jan 10 2008, 09:30 PM
Hey, when will you come over to Germany?
Posted by: sinthalix Jan 10 2008, 10:04 PM
| QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) |
| ...I am looking very forward to spending a good amount of time in Germany during my upcoming trip. Most of the areas where the great JS Bach and Martin Luther spent their lives were in the DDR when I was last there. Cities like Halle, Leipzig, Köthen, Weimar, Erfurt and Wittenberg were all behind the old Iron Curtain (not a recommended destination for an American to travel in the early 70s though I did go to Berlin and had the opportunity to visit a Great Aunt in the eastern sector on a special visa). Of course I will be "training" it all the way once I'm over there. |
I went to the Neue Laender (if they still call them that) back when they were the DDR. It was a fascinating trip! We hit both Berlins, Leipzig, Meissen, and Dresden. It was in the 80s and we were given extensive "briefings" about what to do and not do...still have the hundreds of pics I took back then (of the stuff we could take pictures of).
My g/f and I are saving up our money to head over there as well this year to visit my family and friends as well as her family.
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 10 2008, 10:06 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| Hey, when will you come over to Germany? |
...right now, it looking like August. My original plan was to fly British into London out of Seattle but since there is now a nonstop flight out of my hometown of Portland to Frankfurt on Lufthansa I can't pass up the convenience.
Posted by: Ryu Jan 10 2008, 10:07 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| Hey, when will you come over to Germany? |
Seconded?
Posted by: Fortune Jan 10 2008, 10:13 PM
| QUOTE (Ryu) |
| Seconded? |
Too slow!
Posted by: Ryu Jan 10 2008, 10:17 PM
I know. Damn. 
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 10 2008, 10:26 PM
don't trust any mile-stones you get to see in the old eastern-zone . . they had them placed closer together than the actual difference they were meant to indicate so the people would think that their little batch of the fatherland is bigger than it as in reality *g*
and the mass-transit system is even better in hamburg than it is in most other cities in germany . . we've got at least 100 lines of busses, 4 different train systems and a whole part of ships being used as means of public transport *g*
this is one of the cities where you really do not need to have a drivers license to get around . . well, aside from the really far out places <.< . .
Posted by: Grinder Jan 11 2008, 02:59 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| don't trust any mile-stones you get to see in the old eastern-zone . . they had them placed closer together than the actual difference they were meant to indicate so the people would think that their little batch of the fatherland is bigger than it as in reality *g* |
Oddly enough, every larger street in southern east germany leads to Bad Düben. And don't get the idea to stop and ask a local for the direction - you won't understand him.
| QUOTE |
and the mass-transit system is even better in hamburg than it is in most other cities in germany . . we've got at least 100 lines of busses, 4 different train systems and a whole part of ships being used as means of public transport *g* this is one of the cities where you really do not need to have a drivers license to get around . . well, aside from the really far out places <.< . . |
Yeah, and we all know that Hamburg is so densely populated that there are no far-out places.
Posted by: Grinder Jan 11 2008, 03:01 PM
| QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) | ||
...right now, it looking like August. My original plan was to fly British into London out of Seattle but since there is now a nonstop flight out of my hometown of Portland to Frankfurt on Lufthansa I can't pass up the convenience. |
We have tons of cool metal festivals in august
If you make it to Hannover or even Hamburg, we can held a small-time DS meeting. Ryu, Rotbart (whereever he may live), Stahlseele, you and me.
Posted by: Ryu Jan 11 2008, 03:23 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) | ||||
We have tons of cool metal festivals in august If you make it to Hannover or even Hamburg, we can held a small-time DS meeting. Ryu, Rotbart (whereever he may live), Stahlseele, you and me. |
Seconded again! Seems a bit early for concrete plans, but I´m game.
I´m living close to Hannover, too.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 11 2008, 03:36 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) | ||||
We have tons of cool metal festivals in august If you make it to Hannover or even Hamburg, we can held a small-time DS meeting. Ryu, Rotbart (whereever he may live), Stahlseele, you and me. |
heck, the part about understanding them can be said for basically any part of germany . . the language german es it is used now is as far as i know based on the language in the guternerg bible, which itself again was used to make the bible available to all o germany and not only to the parts with the right kind of dialekt/accent, but i could be wrong about that *g*
and believe it or not . . there ARE some places in Hamburg that are only thinly populated and very hard to reach/navigate by means of public transport . . but that is mainly because Hamburg is still a growing city which just kinda expands untill little villages that were not part of hamburg before suddenly are *g*
Posted by: Grinder Jan 11 2008, 03:39 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| and believe it or not . . there ARE some places in Hamburg that are only thinly populated and very hard to reach/navigate by means of public transport . . but that is mainly because Hamburg is still a growing city which just kinda expands untill little villages that were not part of hamburg before suddenly are *g* |
That was the point I tried to make
Places like Norderstedt, Mümmelmannsberg and southern Harburg are far from the shot.
Posted by: Grinder Jan 11 2008, 03:39 PM
| QUOTE (Ryu) | ||||||
Seconded again! Seems a bit early for concrete plans, but I´m game. I´m living close to Hannover, too. |
I'm from Bremen.
Oh, and Mystic, of course.
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 11 2008, 03:43 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder) | ||||
We have tons of cool metal festivals in august If you make it to Hannover or even Hamburg, we can held a small-time DS meeting. Ryu, Rotbart (whereever he may live), Stahlseele, you and me. |
...that would be cool. International Shadowrunning. I have just about everything on PDF all the way back to 1st & 2nd ed so no need for me to carry a 25 kilos of books around. When I get confirmed dates I will let you know.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 11 2008, 03:53 PM
well . . yes, for our standards that is pretty bad, but those two are pretty much the dead end as far as hamburgs mass transit is compared *g*
Norderstedt Mitte is end of line for the subway U1 but is directly connected to the A2 Trains and has at least 7 Bus-Lines starting/ending there *g*
Mümmelmannsberg is end of the line for subway U3 and has only 3 bus lines starting/stopping there . . and yes, i just happen to know that ^^
Posted by: Grinder Jan 11 2008, 04:00 PM
Mümmelmannsberg is a dead end.
Posted by: Grinder Jan 11 2008, 04:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) | ||||||
...that would be cool. International Shadowrunning. I have just about everything on PDF all the way back to 1st & 2nd ed so no need for me to carry a 25 kilos of books around. When I get confirmed dates I will let you know. |
And no worries, we'll get a few english SR books together.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 11 2008, 04:07 PM
yes, that too *g*
Posted by: Ryu Jan 11 2008, 08:02 PM
I personally own more english than german SR books. Most german ones being 2nd edition.
Looking forward to August
Posted by: MYST1C Jan 12 2008, 10:48 AM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| We have tons of cool metal festivals in august |
Speaking of metal festivals:
It's not rock-solid yet but I'll most likely be at http://www.dongopenair.de (July 18-19) and http://www.summer-breeze.de (August 14-16).
Any other German Dumpshockers going there?
Posted by: Grinder Jan 12 2008, 11:08 AM
No, sorry. My festivals are Pressure Fest, With Full Force and maybe Wacken (thanks to At The Gates-reunion...).
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 12 2008, 01:32 PM
nah, i'm not one for concerts and festivals <.<
i don't really like big masses of people when i am in the middle of it . .
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 12 2008, 08:10 PM
...guess I'm the old fashoned type as I would more likely find myself at the Berliner Philharmoniker or attending the Bayreuth Festival. Then there's all those magnificent two and three century old Orgeln in the various churches which are still being played. To hear an instrument that was around at the time the Great J.S. Bach was alive (and maybe even played by him) like that wonderful Schnitger organ at St Jakobi in Hamburg would be priceless. Of course I have to go to St Thomas in Leipzig, even if the organ there is a newer one, just to hear his music in those acoustics.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 12 2008, 08:14 PM
ah, yes . . THAT i could dig . . about the only thing i can say something positive about concerning churches and religion in general <.< . .
(i've actually been thrown out of a church once . . proudest day in my whole life *g*)
Posted by: Ryu Jan 13 2008, 10:57 AM
Some digging shows that St. Jacobi in Hamburg does organ tours Thursdays at 12:00.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 13 2008, 12:43 PM
sadly, some digging shows that i have to leave for work at 12:30 *g*
Posted by: Grinder Jan 13 2008, 01:28 PM
Let me introduce you "free days".
Posted by: Ryu Jan 13 2008, 01:58 PM
The person I have in mind will have some free time to spend
I would certainly not try to tell a Hamburger about Hamburg.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 13 2008, 02:01 PM
free days . . yeah, i heard about that some time ago . . what will they invent next?
also: why not tell a hamburger about hamburg? there's things that's only to be found when using the tourists way of getting to know the city . .
Posted by: Method Jan 14 2008, 10:16 PM
Is there anything published about Dresden? I have all the English books, but I haven't read many of them in years. It would save me a lot of time if I knew where to look...
Posted by: Ryu Jan 15 2008, 12:12 AM
Not an english book, but theres a quarter of a page in DidS2, pg 127-128.
Seat of the Arts and Culture, expensive but exclusive nightlife. The Semper Opera is mentioned. There is "The green cellar", where the Herzog is maintaining a the family collection of curiosities August the Strong started (High-Security Installation).
The town is surrounded by heavy and chemical industries.
Posted by: Method Jan 15 2008, 04:47 AM
| QUOTE (Ryu @ Jan 14 2008, 05:12 PM) |
| Not an english book, but theres a quarter of a page in DidS2, pg 127-128. Seat of the Arts and Culture, expensive but exclusive nightlife. The Semper Opera is mentioned. There is "The green cellar", where the Herzog is maintaining a the family collection of curiosities August the Strong started (High-Security Installation). The town is surrounded by heavy and chemical industries. |
Hmm... sounds very corporate then?
How would you characterize the shadows there? Any significant corp or underworld presence?
Thanks for the info Ryu!!
[EDIT]: to clarify, I'm thinking of developing an NPC for a Seattle-based game who's handle is Dresden, so I'm looking for things that might flesh out his background.
Posted by: MYST1C Jan 15 2008, 08:27 AM
| QUOTE (Method) |
| Hmm... sounds very corporate then? How would you characterize the shadows there? Any significant corp or underworld presence? |
Well, Dresden is in Saxony - and Saxony is somewhat special:
At the end of the EuroWars the local Bundeswehr commanders turned the state into a military dictatorship and, even later, into some sort of pseudo-monarchy (by recruiting the help of some almost-forgotten noble clan from the Kaiser era).
When the Federal Republic of Germany became the Allied German States in 2045 this was officially recognized and Saxony has been known since as "Duchy of Saxony".
The Duchy is quite militaristic - soldiers are highly-regarded by the citizens, "nobles" have the right to duels, several smaller mercenary outfits are based there (in fact, even the State Militia can be hired!)
The Shadows are quite alive in Saxony but the focus is on political and military runs and espionage.
There are always intrigues going on in the government and nobility, and Saxony's neighbors (both other German states and Poland) like to keep an eye on the somewhat megalomanic duke...
Posted by: Method Jan 15 2008, 10:23 PM
Perfect.... muahahaha.... 
Thanks!!
Posted by: MaxHunter Jan 16 2008, 11:39 AM
This is an excellent thread so far, thanks guys. -It also seems to have doubled as a travel guide to germany, but hey, that's all right with me. I only have to learn some german and join the party :smile-
Back to the original topic. I think it will be Hamburg. It loved your comments and got the chance to look at its section in Runner Havens. I now only need a few things...
-a map!
-some ideas of interesting hamburg locations (bars, corporate buildings, whatever)
-hamburg NPC's? runners? johnsons? even your own characters could work as german runners and help me get an idea of a german "feel"
-Runs? a short comment on something you played and worked out fine would make me happy.
A question: in SR canon, is the whole city flooded? Are there any cars and trains and "normal" roads?
I do not speak German, so I don't know If I could make anything out of the german sourcebooks.
thank you very much so far.
Cheers,
max
Posted by: Ryu Jan 16 2008, 12:11 PM
The german version of "The eyes of the rigger" has a small map of hamburg. Don´t know if that even exists in english. I´ll ask my GF to scan that for you. Be prepared for a low-quality map (based on the maps quality, not on my GFs skills).
The flood took larger parts of Hamburg downtown, but not everything. Usually taxis are used instead of private cars, because traffic regulations make personal vehicles a pain to use. The subway system is flooded, but a greater part of the rails was above ground.
Downtown: Think venice with modern buildings. Has a gigantic mall below sea-level, accessed via swimming pontons.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 16 2008, 01:04 PM
if you can find a BIG version of the Schattenstädte(i think runner havens in english) book there's a frigging big part about Hamburg including a usefull map . . but i am not sure if that is only in the german version . .
i just compared a german version (194 pages) with the english version(146Pages), so there's a good probability that the 3 pages or so about hamburg is all there is to our grand city in the english version . .
Posted by: Fortune Jan 16 2008, 01:34 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| ... so there's a good probability that the 3 pages or so about hamburg is all there is to our grand city in the english version . . |
You got it!
Posted by: Grinder Jan 16 2008, 01:35 PM
Has the Reeperbahn been flooded, btw?
Posted by: Synner Jan 16 2008, 01:41 PM
As with all the international licenses in previous editions, the local holders are allowed to add exclusive (local) content to their books.
The German version of Runner Havens chose to expand the Hamburg writeup to a full chapter. The French version of Runner Havens will include a full (exclusive) chapter on Marseille besides the content that was in the English version. There are no plans to currently translate or release this material in English, but you never can tell what the future might bring.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 16 2008, 01:53 PM
| QUOTE (Grinder @ Jan 16 2008, 08:35 AM) |
| Has the Reeperbahn been flooded, btw? |
nah, still as dry as can be in that kind of business *g*
edit:would it be okay if i were to try and extract that map from the german version to give other people?
Posted by: MYST1C Jan 16 2008, 02:04 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| if you can find a BIG version of the Schattenstädte(i think runner havens in english) book there's a frigging big part about Hamburg including a usefull map . . but i am not sure if that is only in the german version . . |
Actually, you can get that Hamburg map from the net!
http://eisparadies.org/fileadmin/shadow/material/sl-section/Plaene-und-Karten/Stadtkarten.zip will give you a ZIP-file containing the city maps from Schattenstädte - no worries about copyright, these files used to be available for free from the FanPro D homepage (the new location, Eisparadies.org, is run by German freelancers Eismann and Medic).
Contained in the ZIP are the following files:
- Hamburg 2070.jpg - Hamburg city map
- Hong Kong 2070 Grossraum.jpg - Hong Kong area map
- Hong Kong 2070 Stadtteile.jpg - Hong Kong city map
- Seattle 2070 Grossraum.jpg - Seattle area map
- Seattle 2070 Stadtteile.jpg - Seattle city map
- München-2070.JPG - Munich city map (from the German-only München Noir book)
The map legends are in German, of course. Should questions arise - post them here!
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 16 2008, 02:06 PM
ah, okay, did not know that *g*
of course, if questions arise, feel free to ask . . contrary to popular opinion i try to be of help *g*
Posted by: Ryu Jan 16 2008, 03:39 PM
Bah! Better maps for free. Good that my GF didn´t fire up that scanner so far.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 16 2008, 05:04 PM
| QUOTE (MaxHunter) |
| This is an excellent thread so far, thanks guys. -It also seems to have doubled as a travel guide to germany, but hey, that's all right with me. I only have to learn some german and join the party :smile- Back to the original topic. I think it will be Hamburg. It loved your comments and got the chance to look at its section in Runner Havens. I now only need a few things... -a map! -some ideas of interesting hamburg locations (bars, corporate buildings, whatever) -hamburg NPC's? runners? johnsons? even your own characters could work as german runners and help me get an idea of a german "feel" -Runs? a short comment on something you played and worked out fine would make me happy. A question: in SR canon, is the whole city flooded? Are there any cars and trains and "normal" roads? I do not speak German, so I don't know If I could make anything out of the german sourcebooks. thank you very much so far. Cheers, max |
maps has been answered allready *g*
a little bit upthread i mentioned some places of hamburg that could/should be of interest. . i forgot to mention such things as the old WW2 Bunker but as that is or at least was the headquarter of HanSec i would advise on staying the hell away from that thing *g*
Otherwise i am not really sure if there is such a thing in SR timeline, but in realtime there WAS an restaurant/bar on the top floors of the Radio/TV-Tower . . basically kinda like Seattle Space Needle Restaurant . .
as for NPC/Runner/Johnson(in AGS Called SMITH)? Guess who owns a verry much hip Cyber-Fetish Club in Hamburg? that's right, ALIEN QUEEN from Shadowland Fame *g*
haven't played anything mayor in Hamburg as our Runners tended to be based in Seattle(go figure). . only a short innuende when one of my mortally injured runners after having gotten back to his own legs decided to retire to Troll-Kingdom Schwarzwald(yeah, Troll with Family there) and decided to enter AGS by way of Hamburg . .
As there is no really big corp thing going on in Hamburg in SR political/eco(terrorist) stuff would probably be a good bet . . or some smuggelling or something like that . .
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