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Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 18 2008, 06:13 AM
So. I recently came across http://www.marryourdaughter.com/ website and it got me thinking about all of the new cultures in the Sixth World. Between the Elf nations, Orksploitation culture, neo-Aztecs, druids, the NANs, feudalist megacorporate enclaves, neo-anarchist street tribes, east meeting west, north meeting south, left meeting right, the matrix, sex changes, and cyberpenises, all sorts of new marriage customs will be created and old marriage customs will be revived and they'll be mixed and matched in ways that no one ever dreamed of.
Of course, I imagine that there will be plenty of matrix sites where an interested party can purchase a bride or a groom, much like the one linked to. But other, more delicate and more specific aspects provide the most interesting possibilities. How would one Tir noble propose to another, and how might a Shadowrunner get involved in such a proposition? What happens when a member of a street tribe which doesn't believe in marriage falls in love with a member of a Sicilian crime family?
These questions and others like them pose limitless possibilities for the employment of deniable assets.
And many of those possibilities involve rescuing people who were married for profit via the matrix.
Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jan 18 2008, 07:01 AM
If I wanted to get married, I'd rely more on my undeniable assets 
*
*disclaimer: I have no desirable assets or qualities of any sort, but the pun was too good for me to resistd
Posted by: Riley37 Jan 18 2008, 08:59 AM
hyz, how do you run across so much stuff in so many directions? The FAQ was scary, but the testimonials were scarier. I'm tempted to fake a viable proposal just to get a girl away from those parents and into a hippie commune or something.
People who want their children to grow up "old-fashioned" these days have a pretty uphill challenge. I've heard that there are Amish-type communities in the Midwest in which parents encourage their sons and daughters to try mainstream life around 18 or 19 years old... and where they live, mainstream life is mostly trailer parks with recreational crack use, so most of the young adults scoot back to the more restrictive, but safer and happier, subculture they grew up in. In the Sixth World, I see raising children "old fashioned" as an even more uphill challenge, and those who really care will form enclaves. The Idaho Panhandle, for example, may still be a place where one can avoid modern urban life... and establish any one of a variety of possible microcultures.
There are a variety of reasons one might have for forging a pedigree. Another thread described a run based on "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers". People living in an isolated valley kidnap several women from mainstream corp society; corpers hire shadowrunners to rescue the women; but some of the women want to stay... maybe because it's less polluted, rather than a Gor-esque "ah, I cannot resist the Real Man who has claimed me". In this version, the runners kept their deal, but left their van unlocked and programmed with an autonav back through the hidden pass into the valley, so they got paid AND the women got to make their choice.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 18 2008, 09:36 AM
And they still complain about Japan being Pedoland?
Posted by: sinthalix Jan 18 2008, 10:09 AM
| QUOTE (Riley37 @ Jan 18 2008, 03:59 AM) |
| People who want their children to grow up "old-fashioned" these days have a pretty uphill challenge. I've heard that there are Amish-type communities in the Midwest in which parents encourage their sons and daughters to try mainstream life around 18 or 19 years old... and where they live, mainstream life is mostly trailer parks with recreational crack use, so most of the young adults scoot back to the more restrictive, but safer and happier, subculture they grew up in. |
LOL, I live in central Illinois and we have Amish and Mennonite communities. From what I've heard they do send their new adults (around 18) into the "world" for a year. I'll have to pull over one of their horse and buggies the next time I'm in the area and ask them. Or I could wait until I get to PA in two weeks and ask the Amish out there.
Unfortunately the crack use isn't limited to the trailer parks...they've moved up to mobile labs now too and "normal" residential areas.
http://www.illinoisamishcountry.com/
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 18 2008, 10:50 AM
The site was a satire, actually (Note that I did not know this when I posted earlier). It isn't real. Which actually means that this niche has yet to be filled and may be a good investment for an internet entrepreneur. And it really dashed my hopes of finding a goth girl with a old soul who is willing to marry the first guy who plops down 27 grand.
I'm waiting to find the Amazon street tribe in which women with flaming clubs raid sports bars and beat prospective mates with all of their might then drag them back to their dens, creating harems from those who survive and knitting the skins of those who don't into decorative throws.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 18 2008, 11:06 AM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| And they still complain about Japan being Pedoland? |
Given that the US apparently thinks that any sexual activity before age 18 makes for Pedoland (with some states, but only some, making exceptions for similarly-aged people), quite a lot of nations qualify.
~J
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 18 2008, 11:12 AM
but they are basically SELLING their daughters on that page . . where's the bureau of youth care or however that is called over there? Why's nobody saying anything against that? if it were somewhere else, say in some arabian or asian country there would probably be a literal uproar through most of america as soon as that becomes public knowledge . . heck, why go that far away? it'd be a scandal if it were mexican or afro american or something from south america too . .
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 18 2008, 11:19 AM
Eh? You are aware that forced marriages do occur in Asia and the middle East, and that dowries and bride prices are still paid in places? I mean, ok, they're generally not arranged on a web site…
~J
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 18 2008, 11:25 AM
yes i know that and i am the first to speak up against that too . .
but if america insists upon being on the moral high horse they should go to work in their own backyard first . .
i might be a bastard, i might hate the church and i might think marriage stupid . . but that website is going too far even in my eyes!
Women/Girls have to be treated with the respect they deserve . . at least as long as they act accordingly and not like snobbdy stuck up arrogant bitches . .
Posted by: Critias Jan 18 2008, 12:05 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 18 2008, 06:12 AM) |
| but they are basically SELLING their daughters on that page . . where's the bureau of youth care or however that is called over there? Why's nobody saying anything against that? if it were somewhere else, say in some arabian or asian country there would probably be a literal uproar through most of america as soon as that becomes public knowledge . . heck, why go that far away? it'd be a scandal if it were mexican or afro american or something from south america too . . |
Because the site is satire, maybe, and you're all up in arms and unleashing your CAPS LOCK FURY over nothing?
But, hey, way to be quick to jump on that "OMG american hypocrites!" bandwagon, buddy.
Posted by: Fortune Jan 18 2008, 02:09 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| but if america insists upon being on the moral high horse they should go to work in their own backyard first . . |
I'm getting kind of tired of the leaps being made to blame America for everything under the fucking sun. Give it a rest, please.
Additionally, you might want to read the entire thread, in which hyzmarca has already enlightened us further as to the website's validity.
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
| The site was a satire, actually (Note that I did not know this when I posted earlier). It isn't real. |
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 18 2008, 02:24 PM
| QUOTE |
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) The site was a satire, actually (Note that I did not know this when I posted earlier). It isn't real. |
ok, i did not see that . . i responded to kagetenshi mainly x.x
i tend to go a little over the top when it comes to those things . . and mind you, i was not blaming america for anything for once . . i was under the impression that they go on about other countries are doing wrong things while they seemingly ignored something like this site(which i now know to be fake) in their own country . .
Posted by: Critias Jan 18 2008, 02:30 PM
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) | ||
ok, i did not see that . . i responded to kagetenshi mainly x.x i tend to go a little over the top when it comes to those things . . and mind you, i was not blaming america for anything for once . . i was under the impression that they go on about other countries are doing wrong things while they seemingly ignored something like this site(which i now know to be fake) in their own country . . |
Right. We know what you were going on about. We also know that's called blaming America for something and calling them hypocrites.
Posted by: Fortune Jan 18 2008, 02:33 PM
Define 'wrong things'.
As to your outrage at America going 'on about other countries' and their traditional habits, I don't recall a general mainstream uproar coming from America against arranged marriages (or even dowries) in other countries.
Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jan 18 2008, 03:39 PM
As an American, I think Stahlseele has a point. America does bitch a lot about other countries, and it does need to clean up it's own backyard. We go on about democracy, and then support dictatorships. We go on about human rights while supporting a second-class citizenship marriage system and the death penalty. We absolutely give other countries grief about things we don't pay attention to at home.
That said, I think other countries are guilty of the same thing. And it's not even necessarily bad. Yes, America has problems. No, that doesn't mean America should remain silent when it sees what it regards as injustice.
Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Jan 18 2008, 04:39 PM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 18 2008, 05:50 AM) | ||
I'm waiting to find the Amazon street tribe in which women with flaming clubs raid sports bard and beat prospective mates with all of their might then drag them back to their dens, creating harems from those who survive and knitting the skins of those who don't into decorative throws. |
You are spending way too much time with Hocus Pocus.
I live just to the east of the Amish based around Lancaster. You see them at farmer's markets but not much on the roads. It is common with the Amish to send boys and girls out into the 'real world' for a little while. I think it is call Rumshrugga or something close to that. They understand that the kids see cars and TV and stuff and may want to experience it before deciding to 'accept' the Amish lifestyle.
There was a case a couple of years ago in Texas that 3 amish youths were let out of Jail early because they were enjoying it too much. They had running water, TV, electicity and central heating.
I think with all the changes in the world, we will actually see a big number of traditional weddings. the NAN and elves will have their customers but with so many changes I think people will want that link to the old traditions for a wedding.
Posted by: martindv Jan 18 2008, 04:44 PM
| QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Jan 18 2008, 10:39 AM) |
| As an American, I think Stahlseele has a point. America does bitch a lot about other countries, and it does need to clean up it's own backyard. |
Uh, dude. That describes a whole bunch of countries. Like all of them.
I mean, it's not exactly a secret that there are a bunch of people *cough*Europeans*cough* who bitch and countries *coughcough* Western Europe*coughcough* that bitch about the United States all the time. So let's not play "Who's the biggest national douche" with only one contestant.
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 18 2008, 04:45 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jan 18 2008, 06:06 AM) | ||
Given that the US apparently thinks that any sexual activity before age 18 makes for Pedoland (with some states, but only some, making exceptions for similarly-aged people), quite a lot of nations qualify. ~J |
Well, currently Arkansas has no lower limit on marriage, so long as there is parental permission and neither individual is pregnant.
| QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja) |
| You are spending way too much time with Hocus Pocus. |
The 1993 Disney movie or the Dumpshock poster? Either way, you are incorrect. I simply like strong women with high capacities for violence.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 18 2008, 04:55 PM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 18 2008, 11:45 AM) | ||||||
Well, currently Arkansas has no lower limit on marriage, so long as there is parental permission and neither individual is pregnant.
The 1993 Disney movie or the Dumpshock poster? Either way, you are incorrect. I simply like strong women with high capacities for violence. |
wait what?
they are allowed to marry when being 10 years old as long as she is NOT pregnant? O.o
And yes, i guess i do bitch about America a lot . . i'm trying not to, but it's getting increasingly harder somehow x.x
Edit: btw, who dies not like women who have some fire in them? would be pretty boring otherwise i'd say *g*
Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jan 18 2008, 05:22 PM
| QUOTE (martindv) | ||
Uh, dude. That describes a whole bunch of countries. Like all of them. I mean, it's not exactly a secret that there are a bunch of people *cough*Europeans*cough* who bitch and countries *coughcough* Western Europe*coughcough* that bitch about the United States all the time. So let's not play "Who's the biggest national douche" with only one contestant. |
Well, if you'd read the whole post, I said pretty much the exact same thing.
And I'm sure the only reason pregnant 10 year olds can't get married in Arkansas is that nobody can bring themselves to make a maternity wedding gown in childrens' sizes. This is the second conversation I've had about children-sized wedding gowns today, but the first about children-sized maternity wedding gowns.
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 19 2008, 02:35 AM
For stability, arranged marriages at a young age are far superior to romantic marriages when one is older. Given that arranged marriages have a substantially lower divorce rate than "love" marriages, I'm surprised that they aren't standard today.
I can certainly imagine the practice of bride (and groom) kidnapping (another good one for long-term relationships, though fraught with an above-average suicide rate) making a comeback and Shadowrunners being hired to perform such extractions.
Posted by: Eurotroll Jan 19 2008, 03:09 AM
Hell, with Orkish reproduction and growth rate being what they are, I wouldn't be surprised to see them forego the one-on-one marriage completely and opt for a clan-based child-rearing concept. After all, the biological aspect of marriage (note that I am not saying this is the only aspect) is that for humans it is advantageous to single out a prospective mate, since the child must be cared for and supported extensively for about a dozen years before biological maturity is reached. The Orkish metabolism cuts down on that time significantly (by about a third) to ~8 years, while the litter sizes mean that there is always an extended family to fall back on for support (both financial and in actually raising them damn kids). Shorter life expectation on the other hand means that not all Orks get to breed actively, thereby making a "altruistically motivated" approach to reproduction likely: If only one of the standard four littermates breeds, that is enough to pass on the family genes. The other three support their breeding sibling to the best of their abilities.
And of course, Orks, being as fanatically identity-obsessed as they are, would have no problem adopting a lifestyle that sets them apart from the rest of Metahumanity while simultaneously being more suitable to their racial characteristics.
Posted by: Asheron Jan 19 2008, 05:44 AM
| QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) |
| ...We go on about democracy, and then support dictatorships... |
The government does a lot if these things, not the American public. I don't recall voting to give money to Musharraf instead of supporting democracy in Pakistan. America-haters (ie. Western Europe) should learn to tell the fucking difference.
With that said i think the American public needs to get off it's collective ass and tell the government who's boss.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 19 2008, 06:13 AM
In a representative government, there's only so much blame the public can avoid for the actions of its government, and I'm not buying it anymore. Hell, there's only so much blame the populace can avoid for any government without quashed uprisings to at least show effort.
I'm also not buying the Western Europe-bashing—do we have anything other than vague stereotypes to back up the attitude going around in this thread? I'll admit that it has been around two, maybe two and a half years since I was last in any part of Western Europe, but I wasn't really feeling the hate, and I can't say as I've heard otherwise from people I know who've been there more recently.
~J
Posted by: Backgammon Jan 19 2008, 06:17 AM
Before this thread gets closed, just wanted to say that I think amongst corporate mid-management and up there would probably be a whole lot of marriages of convenience/alliance that from a corporate politics point of vue would suit both parties well.
Also, amonst the numerous Japanacorps, who often operate as 'family' units, you probably can't get a mid+ management job if you are not married.
With the billion-hour work week that the corporate drones, and especially ladder climbers, have to pull in, marriage is probably a loveless thing. Just two people getting together to divide house keeping tasks. Business at work, business at home. Spouses check up on each oher and the tasks they have to do, then go their seperate ways to their individual simsense experiences and go to bed. Sex is overrated anyway - they barely know and like each other in the first place, and simsense is better than sex anyway.
Plop out a kid, again as a convention, appearances sake. Send the kid off to corporate boarding school, get the damn bugger out of trouble and out of your hair.
Posted by: Snow_Fox Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM
Sure, they expect you to ignore your family to stay at your desk for the corp, but they like the nice picture of the corp as home to happy families. The sort of two faced mind set we've learned to expect from the corporate world.
Imagine the deals you get if the corp does your wedding though. I mean they own the site, the caterer, the clothes the DJ. etc. and you can get special themes, like at Disney today.
I've heard in Japan weddings are remarkably expensive affairs with the happy (but suddenly improvrished) couple having to wear at least 3 outfits. 1 for the ceremony, 1 for the reception and 1 for going on honey moon. Often a forth outfit for pictures between the ceremony and the reception.
Also a big style trend in Japan is now western style weddings with caucasian men with good voices being asked to play the role of a minister, after the real official or priest has done his part. that having been said, sure, these could get really wild for costs and I'm suddenly thinking of a whole new set of runs. hee hee hee
Posted by: FlakJacket Jan 19 2008, 06:14 PM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
| For stability, arranged marriages at a young age are far superior to romantic marriages when one is older. Given that arranged marriages have a substantially lower divorce rate than "love" marriages, I'm surprised that they aren't standard today. |
Yes but is that more because of local attitudes and customs of 'So what if your miserable? You married, now get on with being bored for the next 60 years. Divorce is not acceptable. Oh and we'll send round a bunch of male relatives to kill you if you try to leave and dishonour or family' type situation?
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 19 2008, 06:53 PM
I don't believe so. I mean, I suspect that having taken the element of choice out of it has something to do with it, and societal expectations probably do as well, but I don't believe the outcome in terms of divorce rate is higher for cultures with strictly-arranged marriage (in contrast to something like the Japanese-style arranged marriage, which as far as I can tell is "here, let me introduce you to this person. Now go decide whether you're going to marry them or not.") where repercussions for deviating from expectations are less severe (say, no mobs out for blood because of a divorce).
For what it's worth, there's evidence that humans tend toward serial monogamy rather than strict monogamy—I believe the span is generally considered four years. As such, arranged marriages could be considered unnatural because of how frequently they last longer than four years.
~J
Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 19 2008, 08:09 PM
one of our politicians just proposed a law that would limit marriage to a seven years span and would have to be re-established by then
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 19 2008, 08:41 PM
Probably not a bad idea, though a similar clause for laws would be more beneficial (possibly with a shorter duration).
~J
Posted by: martindv Jan 19 2008, 08:49 PM
| QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) | ||||
Well, if you'd read the whole post, I said pretty much the exact same thing. And I'm sure the only reason pregnant 10 year olds can't get married in Arkansas is that nobody can bring themselves to make a maternity wedding gown in childrens' sizes. This is the second conversation I've had about children-sized wedding gowns today, but the first about children-sized maternity wedding gowns. |
I wasn't addressing it just to you.
Besides that, you were too equivocating for me.
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 19 2008, 09:17 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| For what it's worth, there's evidence that humans tend toward serial monogamy rather than strict monogamy—I believe the span is generally considered four years. As such, arranged marriages could be considered unnatural because of how frequently they last longer than four years. ~J |
The end of the dopamine-intense phase the the relationship is probably the primary cause of divorce. In the case of arrange marriages, there probably isn't a dopamine-intense phase. Thus, they have a chance to build a lasting bond over time without the risk of discontentment associated with the end of the dompmine-intense phase of a relationship.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 19 2008, 09:30 PM
Right. People just aren't meant to stay together after the dopamine-intense phase—you should be getting out there and diversifying your gene pool commitment, not sitting around with the same old batch of genetic material. Arranged marriages short-circuit that "move on" cue.
~J
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 19 2008, 09:46 PM
Fun fact: reducing even further the weight of the "social expectation or threat of violence" theory, http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/MobRept_AppendixA.pdf indicates that fully 80% of marriages to mail-order brides reported have lasted throughout the period for which reports are available.
~J
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 19 2008, 10:31 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jan 19 2008, 04:30 PM) |
| Right. People just aren't meant to stay together after the dopamine-intense phase—you should be getting out there and diversifying your gene pool commitment, not sitting around with the same old batch of genetic material. Arranged marriages short-circuit that "move on" cue. ~J |
Of course, the release of Oxytocin during sex suggests that long-term bonding to sexual partners is selected for, to a degree and that pseudo-polygamy (with one primary long-term relationship and a series of torrid short-term affairs) may be preferable to serial monogomy. Mechanisms of sperm competition also suggest that infidelity is selected for in both genders.
Since dopamine-intense romance and long-term oxytocin based bonding work by totally different chemical mechanisms, they are mutually compatible. It is possible to maintain a long-term bond with one individual while still engaging in an intense romance with another.
In the matter of resource appropriation, serial infidelity is preferable to serial monogamy. The breakup of a monogamous relationship can easily ruin one or both partners while infidelity simply adds more avenues for resource-sharing.
Posted by: FlakJacket Jan 20 2008, 12:11 AM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jan 19 2008, 06:53 PM) |
| I don't believe so. I mean, I suspect that having taken the element of choice out of it has something to do with it, and societal expectations probably do as well, but I don't believe the outcome in terms of divorce rate is higher for cultures with strictly-arranged marriage (in contrast to something like the Japanese-style arranged marriage, which as far as I can tell is "here, let me introduce you to this person. Now go decide whether you're going to marry them or not.") where repercussions for deviating from expectations are less severe (say, no mobs out for blood because of a divorce). |
Ignore my last post, I'm an idiot. When you said arranged marriage I somehow mentally read it as forced marriage which is of course a whole other kettle of fish. I can but blame lack of sleep since I've debated this whole issue with Asian friends to death in the past.
Posted by: Snow_Fox Jan 20 2008, 05:32 PM
you're not so out of it, that's what I was thinknig about, especially when you hear of araband indian cultural groups in the west were someone, usually a woman, rebells against going into an arranged marriage and is later the victim of an 'honor killing."
Posted by: FrankTrollman Jan 20 2008, 06:51 PM
http://www.shaadi.com/
It's real. And it extends into the US. 60 pages of potential brides aged 20 to 25.
-Frank
Posted by: kzt Jan 20 2008, 07:18 PM
It's classier than buying a 17 year old Moldavian girl for 1,000 euros in Bosnia. Which is also a real option.
Posted by: FrankTrollman Jan 20 2008, 07:39 PM
A Thousand Euros for a Moldovan girl!? You are being overcharged my friend, Moldova is practically on the barter economy these days and you can get a whore or a wife literally for peanuts.
I think you're out about 200 kilograms of peanuts, which will set you back about 300 Euros.
-Frank
Posted by: Voorhees Jan 20 2008, 07:41 PM
See, I just tell them I run a restaurant where they can sing for money, and all I have to pay is the cost of a plane ticket.
Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jan 22 2008, 05:01 AM
| QUOTE (Riley37) |
| hyz, how do you run across so much stuff in so many directions? The FAQ was scary, but the testimonials were scarier. I'm tempted to fake a viable proposal just to get a girl away from those parents and into a hippie commune or something. People who want their children to grow up "old-fashioned" these days have a pretty uphill challenge. I've heard that there are Amish-type communities in the Midwest in which parents encourage their sons and daughters to try mainstream life around 18 or 19 years old... and where they live, mainstream life is mostly trailer parks with recreational crack use, so most of the young adults scoot back to the more restrictive, but safer and happier, subculture they grew up in. In the Sixth World, I see raising children "old fashioned" as an even more uphill challenge, and those who really care will form enclaves. The Idaho Panhandle, for example, may still be a place where one can avoid modern urban life... and establish any one of a variety of possible microcultures. There are a variety of reasons one might have for forging a pedigree. Another thread described a run based on "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers". People living in an isolated valley kidnap several women from mainstream corp society; corpers hire shadowrunners to rescue the women; but some of the women want to stay... maybe because it's less polluted, rather than a Gor-esque "ah, I cannot resist the Real Man who has claimed me". In this version, the runners kept their deal, but left their van unlocked and programmed with an autonav back through the hidden pass into the valley, so they got paid AND the women got to make their choice. |
Extra points for mentioning Gor.
Gor will never be complete till there are more fetish sites featuring "Gorian" photographs that feature squishy and overweight females photographed in trailers doing their Gor poses.
Posted by: Jeremiah Legacy Jan 22 2008, 07:01 AM
Do I even want to know what the hell Gor is?
Posted by: tisoz Jan 22 2008, 02:21 PM
Gor is counter-Earth, a planet directly across the sun from Earth, the setting for John Norman's fantasy book series of manly men weilding swords and slave women who wear clothing at the desire of their manly men masters. Soft porn in nature. Priest kings limit technology and people seem to be in prime health and live long natural lives, probably to make up for all those that die during manly men conflict.
The Gor poses probably references typical fantasy art for book covers with scantily clad women, or nude women with long hair that happens to obscure anything that would call for a PG13+ rating.
Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jan 22 2008, 02:26 PM
| QUOTE (Jeremiah Legacy) |
| Do I even want to know what the hell Gor is? |
Not really. But if you watch too much MST3K and find out, it won't be the end of the world.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 22 2008, 02:33 PM
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hunters_of_gor.JPG is worth a thousand words.
~J
Posted by: tisoz Jan 22 2008, 02:46 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) | ||
Given that the US apparently thinks that any sexual activity before age 18 makes for Pedoland (with some states, but only some, making exceptions for similarly-aged people), quite a lot of nations qualify. ~J |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America with links at bottom of page for most of the rest of the world. I noticed at least one state missing from the list.
I also know there is a US federal law making it illegal for anyone to go to a country to have sex with a person under 18 - even if it is legal in that country.
http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm
Is any of this covered in any of the SR books? Like if the NANs have arranged marriages or what their view is toward age of consent. One hundred years ago and more, the expected lifespan was shorter and people married earlier. Would the NANs revert to these traditions or see them as a result of the times?
<edit>
Just found some of this in Sprawl Survival Guide. It looks like it is the same as now for the age of consent.
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 22 2008, 05:45 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hunters_of_gor.JPG is worth a thousand words. ~J |
But that picture doesn't even begin to explain that their is a subculture of individuals known as Goreans who are obsessed with the Gor novels to the point that they take their lifestyle from them, with the manly sword combat removed for some reason. Thus, there are groups people who practice 24/7 Total Power Exchange sexual slavery using trappings stolen directly from the Gor novels and some of them post naked pictures of their slaves on the internet.
Posted by: Fortune Jan 22 2008, 05:51 PM
Where do I sign up? 
Posted by: hyzmarca Jan 22 2008, 06:11 PM
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| Where do I sign up? |
As a Master or a Slave?
Start with research http://goreanreference.50megs.com/contents.html. And then do a google search for Gorean personal adds.
Posted by: Fortune Jan 23 2008, 12:30 AM
| QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 23 2008, 04:11 AM) |
| As a Master or a Slave? |
I ain't pretty enough to be a slave.
Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Jan 23 2008, 07:36 PM
| QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) | ||
Not really. But if you watch too much MST3K and find out, it won't be the end of the world. |
Can you watch too much MST3K?
Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jan 23 2008, 08:17 PM
Yes. That's the premise. They only do what they do because they're trapped in a Lou Reed song in space.
Posted by: Kanada Ten Jan 29 2008, 05:08 AM
Marriage on a metaplane: truly, a match made in heaven. Each bride and groom must undertake a quest to the Citadel, there to ask: is he/she/it the one for me? Ancestor spirits summoned to bless the holy union. Everything from the wedding dress to flowers arranged just so, to maximize chi, the designer insists with his lisp. "Do you have the rings?" asks the wizened old priest. Orichalcum, of course.
Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Jan 29 2008, 06:39 PM
If you both finish the quest, does that make it;
"wuv, twue wuv"?
Posted by: Kanada Ten Jan 29 2008, 06:57 PM
| QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja) |
If you both finish the quest, does that make it; "wuv, twue wuv"? |
That, or it's just a marriage of convenience to the spirits. Perhaps the martial couple are part of a much larger and ancient game of Feng Shui, or simple favoritism...
Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jan 29 2008, 08:07 PM
| QUOTE (Kanada Ten) |
| the martial couple |
Watch me single this typo out as the cynical part of your post
Posted by: Kanada Ten Jan 29 2008, 08:54 PM
| QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) | ||
Watch me single this typo out as the cynical part of your post |
If you've been married, then you might doubt it's a typo (it's a typo).
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