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Posted by: Sir_Psycho Feb 9 2008, 12:57 PM
See title. Doesn't S&S make tasers redundant? especially because you could load a holdout pistol with S&S and it's more concealable and just as powerful as a taser (same conceal as a heavy pistol? And if you make the jump to light pistol, you get a semi-automatic firing rate and a larger clip! Not to mention the bonus of being able to put a wide range of other pistol ammo in.
Posted by: Ryu Feb 9 2008, 12:59 PM
Tasers do not require a permit or registration.
Posted by: Malicant Feb 9 2008, 01:32 PM
Tasers are cheap and easy to get by. Not everything is meant to be used by runners. Remember that when you get tasered by some old lady because you were rude to her. 
Posted by: Ravor Feb 9 2008, 04:26 PM
Also SnS ammo isn't universally liked, I remember someone's houseruling that dropped the DV down to 4s.
Posted by: Ryu Feb 9 2008, 06:20 PM
We houseruled it so that net hits don´t increase damage.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 9 2008, 06:29 PM
I'm not so sure that's a house rule, but if so, it's a common one.
Posted by: Ryu Feb 9 2008, 07:05 PM
One could read the german edition that way (depending on the time the weapon damage code is replaced, base or final), but that would IMO malign the text.
Still, the rule is very sensible if your campaign pays more than a few hundred bucks per round. Else Automatic Pistol + Shocker replace even LMGs for close-distance firefights.
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Feb 9 2008, 07:14 PM
...actually, I do believe the DV is fixed at 6S(e) as the damage code replaces the normal DV for the weapon. I have not seen any rules that mention the DV can be increased by net hits. However net hits do increase the duration of the secondary effects...
and is incapacitated for a number of Combat Turns equal to 2
+ net hits scored on the attack test. Even if the target succeeds,
he suffers a +2 dice pool modifier to all action tests due to dis-
orientation from the shock for the same period.
Posted by: Shrike30 Feb 9 2008, 07:35 PM
The ammo gives the weapon a DV of 6S(e). It doesn't say a thing about that DV being treated differently from all the other DV's in the game.
My fix for S&S ammo was to say that it's only available as a shotgun round. It's worked out pretty well. Also gives all those folks who like slinging an underbarrel shotgun a good choice of lethal or nonlethal ammo to play with.
Posted by: ixombie Feb 10 2008, 03:13 AM
Another reason for tasers is that tasers are more quiet than guns. A gun firing stik n shok is still a gun. I'm not positive how loud a taser is, but I think it's at least as quiet as silenced gunfire. The fact that they're totally, 100% above-board legal is still one of the best justifications, though. And they're not half bad - if I was a character who didn't do a lot of combat, like a face or a hacker, I'd seriously consider relying entirely on tasers. The only people they can't take down are those with nonconductive armor, which I think will be relatively rare, especially on NPCs.
Posted by: Ravor Feb 10 2008, 04:20 PM
I disagree, I think the various Armor Mods would be fairly common, at least at the lower ratings.
Posted by: Prime Mover Feb 10 2008, 05:09 PM
Just curious, if house ruling no DV increase on S&S, everyone doing same with other shock weapons?
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