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Posted by: Lionhearted Mar 3 2008, 10:43 PM

Not so much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQEzrkCeZkU&feature=related as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hx6TEqrzHU, Okey someone have been watching the New Ironman trailer a few times to much.
Which made me think, Is it possible to build an ironman with the current published rules, Im very aware of that he could be fairly easily done as a Chromed Street Sam, however... that isn't very much like the 'original' character.
Here's the Challenge, making Tony Stark into a Rigger with a fraggin' nice custom built anthroform .. thing?

What we know

1. Tony 'Ironman' Stark is a engineering genius and has a long experience in the weapons industries
2. He has virtually infinite resources thanks to being the CEO of a major weapon manufactorer (just got a Ares wibe down my spine) and Probably very high availibility in restricted, forbidden military class gear
3. The Business man Stark, must be able to pass of as fully human (well, except that gizmo that keeps his heart beating), Aswell of being capable of managing a big company, and at the same time maintaining his alter ego

My bet is that this is atleast a 500bp character (excluding resources), what say? can it be done, and how?

Posted by: Synner667 Mar 3 2008, 11:24 PM

Of course, to properly do Iron Man, you'd need to take into account technology way beyond the levels available in SR [since SR does not have superheroes, aliens, etc].

You're practically in House Rules mode to create Iron Man..
..So just put him together, then reverse-justify it.


As for the weapons, etc..
..If that's all you focus on, you might as well go into gunbunny fetish mode and forget about Iron Man as such [whose armour is many things, even ignoring Stealth Armour and Original Armour] and just create man-in-armour-with-guns.

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 3 2008, 11:28 PM

military armor from arsenal would be a good start. unless one feel like going the borg route...

btw, each time they pull black sabbath - iron man in those trailers, i go all schoolgirl like!

Posted by: Lionhearted Mar 3 2008, 11:46 PM

I've been humming on it all day

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 4 2008, 12:06 AM

this looks to be so much better then the spider-man movies
not to say they where bad, but they focused to much on the drama and to little on motormouth spidey, and thats how peter parker stays sane with all the shit life throws at him.

Posted by: Lionhearted Mar 4 2008, 12:09 AM

Damn, this is one of those times i wished i'd get Arsenal and Augmentation just so i could rant about it.
Is there any Riggin' support in those books anyway?

Posted by: GryMor Mar 4 2008, 12:10 AM

As far as I can tell, for the armor, flight is the hardest problem to deal with while remaining in RAW. The only solution I've been able to come up with is, roughly:

Tony Stark is a possession tradition mage, the armor can't actually fly on it's own but is instead routinely possessed by a high force air spirit, using movement on itself.

Posted by: Lionhearted Mar 4 2008, 12:16 AM

Hahaha, that is just such a wonderful idea!

Posted by: Shrike30 Mar 4 2008, 12:40 AM

Just build a flying drone into the armor/have it bolted to the backpack/attach it with superglue.

Posted by: hyzmarca Mar 4 2008, 12:50 AM

While Iron Man is certainly a cool song, I am unsure if it is thematically appropriate for a movie about Tony Stark. The song's narrative is, after all, about a disgruntled superpowered homeless man who decides to systematically murder the entire world as revenge for the apathetic treatment he has received at the hands of the people he sacrificed everything to save.

Tony Stark is occasionally a mass murderer; but he's never been homeless.


Anyway, start out with an anthroform drone, modify it to accept a driver, and strap on a jet engine. It'll be bulkier than the standard Iron Man armor, but it could work.

Posted by: Method Mar 4 2008, 12:51 AM

With SR technology, the IRON MAN could be an antroform drone the business exec jumps into...

Posted by: Feshy Mar 4 2008, 12:53 AM

Yea, watching the trailer, I kept thinking "Hmm... shadowrun has no flying armor. Shadowrun has no wrist-sized antitank missiles."

Then I realized -- every one of those things could be done with magic. Of course, a mage in a heavy suit of armor isn't really what the OP was going for I think, but it's the closest I could come.

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 4 2008, 12:57 AM

your thinking to much about it

Posted by: Spike Mar 4 2008, 12:58 AM

My girl has expressly forbid me from playing, humming, or even thinking about singing (much less the actual... you know... singing) the song for some time now.




Otherwise...




yeah.

Posted by: GryMor Mar 4 2008, 01:01 AM

I was initially going to try building the suit as a drone, but thats nixed by it being mediumish but carrying a passenger. Then I went along the Tony is actually a jar head, the thing on his humaniform body's chest is their as an explanation/camo so people still think he's human.

But then I ran into the problem of not even being able to (usefully) make a flying anthroform drone using RAW, and definitely not being able to make a medium drone with the suits flight characteristics (VTOL alone eats up 4 mod slots, never mind pumping speed up beyond mach 1).

Posted by: Jaid Mar 4 2008, 01:45 AM

ok, you'll have to *really* ignore the flavor, and just focus on the numbers:

horseman with advanced cargo module
add in the LTA mod.
add in walker mod.

season to taste with weapons, armor, etc.

that gives you the most basic stuff... flight (so it's not *quite* a jetpack =P), humanoid body (well, arms and legs at any rate... remember how we're ignoring flavor? well ignore harder, dangit!) and a fully enclosed vehicle. behold, i give unto you (very basic, and not terribly fast) flying power armor!

(beyond that, i don't really know anything about iron man i'm afraid, so this is pretty much just the basic concept )

Posted by: Stahlseele Mar 4 2008, 01:59 AM

pity that the jymn(spelling?) suits did not make it into SR4 . . in sR3 they would be more or less the perfect basis for building the iron man, and they accept rigging controls . . as for the movie . . if he's got heart-problems . . doesn't that mean it's the ultimate iron man? *shudders* if it's going to be ultimate, i'll have to decline any offer of seeing that movie ever <.< . . the animated iron man/avengers movies were enough/too much for me allready . .

Posted by: raverbane Mar 4 2008, 02:08 AM

If it doesnt have to be a starting character...

Build the armor as an ally spirit. The materialized form is the hollow armor.

Or you could do it as a inhabitation...

Posted by: GryMor Mar 4 2008, 02:29 AM

WAY too slow (speed 75 base -50% for LTA, -50% for walker, technically dropping it to 0, but in spirit leaving it at 37.5), handling is sad (+1 base, -2 for LTA, +1 for walker), armor is anemic (base 4) and you don't really have much in the way of mod slots (body 6, and you've already eaten 3 slots).

At best, you can get +40% in speed boosts.

Personally, if we're ignoring theme, you could get closer starting with a Lockheed Sparrow (although, it's almost certainly missing a Std. Upgrades section) and tacking on walker, going with 'spirit of the rules' to only count the speed penalty as a land speed penalty.

In fact, AFAICT, the minimum house rules for getting to the Ironman suit would be to add a 'miniaturized' 'modification' (more of, alternate version really), that reduces body for purposes of vehicle size and cargo capacity, tack a rating 14 instance of that modification onto a Federated Boing Eagle-C along with walker modification, and an extra level of VTOL.

Of course, this would work a lot better if there were rules (or are there, maybe I missed them), for actually building vehicles...

Posted by: GryMor Mar 4 2008, 02:34 AM

Uhm, Ultimate Iron Man doesn't have heart troubles, in fact you could cut his heart out and he'd be back on his feet in a few days. Ultimate Iron Man has freaky regeneration and full body brain issues. The heart issues thing (which, AFAICR, is actually shrapnel near his heart, being kept in place by the magnet thing on his chest) was something the 'original' iron man had, at least at some point.

I actually like Ultimate Iron Man, it's the only Ultimate continuity comic I like... (and the best work Orson Scott Card has done in the past decade)

Posted by: Stahlseele Mar 4 2008, 11:21 AM

hrm, maybe i'm getting things mixed up here, but wasn't the original iron-man quadrilepic and had to use a wheelchair outside of the armor?
and the ultimate one was the one with the heart failure and the alcohol problem? o.O
And no matter what Iron Man we're talking about, you could allways just cut his heart out . . either because it's fun and most everybody wanted to do it at least once in his or her life or because there probably wouldn't be that much of a difference in the heartless bastard anyway *g*

Posted by: Critias Mar 4 2008, 11:33 AM

No.

Regular (616) Iron Man has traditionally had heart problems, and jumped in and out of the bottle throughout his continuity. In the last few years, he's also been diagnosted with giant-gaping-assholitis, and a case of the chronic stupids.

Ultimate Iron Man has the brain...erm..."issues." And regeneration stuff going on.

Posted by: Stahlseele Mar 4 2008, 12:37 PM

okay, seems as if i am just a teeny little bit behind on my marvel multiverse <.< . .

Posted by: Lionhearted Mar 4 2008, 03:56 PM

At this point im glad that marvel never put to much effort in Sweden, Only experience i got of Iron man is that from an old SNES game featuring him and some other assorted Marvel heroes (Capt. A, Wolverine, Spidey, Hulk to my recollection)

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 4 2008, 04:02 PM

one could also pick up this game for multiple platforms now:
http://www.marvelultimatealliance.com/

Posted by: Critias Mar 4 2008, 04:49 PM

If you do, though -- and I suggest it, it's a great game -- score it for the 360 if you can and get the Gold Edition. It's normally the same price as the normal, but comes with eight characters that were previously only available by way of paid download. Cyclops, Hawkeye, Nightcrawler (three of my favorites), and The Hulk from the "good guy" side, and you can play as Magento, Venom, Sabretooth, or Doctor Doom for when you're feeling a bit more sinister. Good times await.

Posted by: Jaid Mar 4 2008, 06:21 PM

i had considered the sparrow, but it technically can't have the walker mod as that is ground only, whereas the LTA mod is for any vehicle you want (for some weird reason).

however yes, that would probably be the superior way to do it if you have an accomadating GM

alternately, you could try to convince your GM to allow the sparrow to carry you around inside my horseman (minus the LTA) but that seems a little bit iffy to say the least

Posted by: Glyph Mar 5 2008, 03:24 AM

Actually, I'm fairly certain he was at least once, when they had him lose his company, then fall off the wagon in a big way.

Posted by: Uli Feb 23 2009, 08:35 PM

So... when I have a magician that lets his ally spirit possess a military armor do its armor ratings increase by the force? I suppose they would.

Posted by: Draco18s Feb 23 2009, 09:19 PM

I had to laugh. Miniaturized x14 Boeing Eagle-C

Posted by: Stahlseele Feb 23 2009, 09:45 PM

you realize, of course, that this thread has been dead for allmost one year?

Posted by: InfinityzeN Feb 24 2009, 12:46 AM

One thing everyone forgets, your not limited by mod slots on an original production. You can include all the stuff you want and call it all stock, so it doesn't take any slots.

Posted by: KCKitsune Feb 24 2009, 06:40 AM

Hush you! Don't you know that a lot of people like to practice Necromancy?

Posted by: Glyph Feb 24 2009, 07:46 AM

Is he alive or dead?
Has he thoughts within his head?

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 24 2009, 08:17 AM

to bad they never really used it in the movie...

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 08:36 AM

This thread always hit me as a touch silly anyway. Tony's suit pretty much obliterates SR tech. I mean, he made an AI for his suit that was essentially a backup of his own mind, for god's sake. It called itself Tony 2.0. Also, he basically shits nanites at this point.

Posted by: Draco18s Feb 24 2009, 08:39 AM

To say nothing of the micro fusion reactor in his chest NOT irradiating him to death.

Posted by: darthmord Feb 24 2009, 02:07 PM

It was an ARC reactor, not a micro fusion one.

The AI for his suit was not a copy of his mind either. From the movie, he took a copy of his house AI and had it run the suit.

Also, it didn't call itself Tony 2.0. It's name was Jarvis.

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 24 2009, 02:25 PM

and jarvis is his (physical) butler from the comics...

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 02:42 PM

We're talking about comic book characters here; I'm not wrong, I'm just talking about a different continuity than you are. In this case, you're talking about the movie while I'm talking about the comics, particularly a 6 issue run by Adam Warren.


Basically, the OP's premise was laughably short of what comic book Iron Man is capable of. Tony would annihilate a 500 bp street sam. Possibly from orbit, if he's feeling saucy.

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 24 2009, 03:14 PM

well, the movie was set pretty close to where he started out.

and sure enough, like all comic heros, iron man have seen a fair bit of power creep over the years...

Posted by: Rayzorblades Feb 24 2009, 03:30 PM

The Arc reactor in the movie was akin to a tokamak AND contained palladium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man%27s_armor#Arc_reactor

Making it a micro fusion reactor... That and when Obidiah gathers engineers to build his own ARC reactor, he recruits them from the Toroidal Fusion department.

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 04:15 PM

Power creep is practically a core Iron Man character concept at this point. Stark's an inventor and a future fetishist, modeled after guys like Howard Hughes, men who believed that industrialism and technological innovation were America's core strengths. The character's personal ideology has never really outgrown the dreams of the jet age-- Stark still believes tech is the answer more than any other Marvel hero. Further, he has the easiest upgrade path to write for; everytime he encounters a new innovation, man made or alien in origin, he reverse engineers it into a new form of armor upgrade. Meanwhile, how were top tier characters supposed to get stronger in the meantime? What is Thor supposed to do? Become extra godly? He's actually already done that once by becoming the head of his pantheon.

Honestly, I wouldn't even call it power creep in Tony's case; it's too much of an understatement. He's basically bootsrapped his way into the top tiers of Marvel heroes at this point. Usually, when a character fights above his weight class and wins in comic books, it's usually due to one-offs and authors taking liberties with a deus ex machina. Tony, on the other hand, has the odd distinction of having most of his upgrades being ushered immediately into the canon. For example, with the Hulkbuster armor he can can square off against big green in hand-to-hand combat without embarrassing himself and it's all kosher. That's essentially the Marvel equivalent of taking a Thor shot to the face. Tony is a bad, bad man, and you'd have to go back to '60s continuity before a street sam could have a chance in hell.

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 24 2009, 04:55 PM

there is a reason why i stick to spidey

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 06:03 PM

See, I don't mind Tony's power creep as much as I mind the liberties that have been taken with Spidey over the years. Him and Wolverine are poster children for characters fighting above their weight class and then having the incident get quietly swept back under the rug once the completely arbitrary story arc is over. It's quite maddening. Also, the whole Mary Jane pseudo-retcon has me confused. On the one hand, I don't really hate it that much. On the other hand, I think I only don't hate it due to how much they screwed up Spider-man over the last decade or so in the first place. He needed a change of direction, even if I think this was a weird way to go about it.


Addendum: I am a huge nerd.

Posted by: Stahlseele Feb 24 2009, 07:56 PM

ya ain't seen nutting yet Bub.
ever read the whole shebang of Wolverine?
and what do you mean, ABOVE HIS WEIGHT CLASS?
there is no such thing <.< . .
well, okay, maybe the hulk and Juggernaut for example . .
Or Magneto . . they only did not manage to kill him, but he lost quite clearly to all of them . .

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 08:16 PM

Wolverine isn't a terribly powerful character. His original role in X-men comics essentially boiled down to getting worked liked a speed bag. Basically, he served as a barometer for when violence won't work in a given X-Men encounter anymore, a way of demonstrating how powerful a given new villain is without having to kill anyone off. If the writer needed to demonstrate that the villain can do Bad Things to people, he could always just go ahead and have Bad Things happen to Wolverine, since they can just write in "he shook it off" later. Basically, Wolverine's shtick consisted of being incapacitated without actually ever dying. He's frankly a rather narrow character who was only built up after his rather inexplicable popularity started raking in money for no good reason; his clear wins are typically against mundos or limited to one shots that have minimal effects on anyone's continuity, even his own (Magneto notwithstanding). Basically, he's like the Thing but with a goofy haircut, a narrow plot device that eventually grew into a more fleshed out character. Fans can cheer for him all they want, but he's essentially one step above street level super heroes in the big scheme of things.

Posted by: Synner667 Feb 24 2009, 08:32 PM

Wolfie did have lots of depth to him [chris claremont days are great !!]...
...But he became very popular, and devolved into someone with a very limited repertoire

I think he ended up being the Marvel version of Lobo, because Lobo became a wildly popular character [tho, Lobo was probably based on an exaggerated Wolfie]

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 08:45 PM

You have to remember that these things come in waves. Wolverine started out as a 1 dimensional character for the Hulk to beat the tar out of back in the '70s. He was then brought into the X-men, but the writers didn't think he was very interesting, which led to Claremont nearly dropping him entirely. (Un?)fortunately, John Byrne, one of the artists, argued to keep him because he said comics needed more Canadian characters (I guess Canucks stick together). Eventually, they managed to make something out of him. In all fairness, I have to admit that most characters are only as good as their writers and that there's been some pretty decent Wolverine arcs alongside the bad ones.


As for Lobo, he started out as a rarely used, ill-defined character and then was reshaped as an outright parody of Wolverine. I'll let this quote from his creator speak for itself: "I have no idea why Lobo took off. I came up with him as an indictment of the Punisher-Wolverine bad ass hero prototype and somehow he caught on as the high violence poster boy. Go figure."

Posted by: Synner667 Feb 24 2009, 08:57 PM

That's interesting.
I remember the whole Alpha Flight thing, which was part of Wolfies past.
I thought it was just part of his backstory.

I loves Wolfie at that time - lots of Samurai honor stuff going on


Lobo ended all over the place, doing guest appearances...
...And he'll always be popular, because there'll always be people who think violence is the only solution [as the Punisher and Wolfie show]

My task, gentlemen, if you're upto it...
...Spec Wolfie using SR [but in another thread, methinks]

Can it even be done ??

Posted by: Whipstitch Feb 24 2009, 09:11 PM

I think you could come pretty close to making a Wolverine, although you still wouldn't be as durable. A Pain Editor, Metabolic Arrester, Blood Circuit Control System isn't too bad, but things like Trauma Control nanite, O-Cells and the healing Symbiotes get pretty expensive pretty fast, since you would basically need some Delta stuff to have that AND bone lacing. And the more you dip into cyber, the harder it is for you to heal in the first place.

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 24 2009, 09:27 PM

i suspect he kinda echoes the punk/gangster type thats selling all kinds of things these days. rap artists anyone?

the criminal have somehow become the idol of generattions...

Posted by: Stahlseele Feb 24 2009, 09:39 PM

probably because we see the big managers screw over everybody else using the laws and being applauded for it . .
sure, you fire 5000 people, you get promoted, you get a bonus that is bigger than those 5000 people would have cost in salaries in one year . .


As for Wolverine:
yeah, only hard part about him is the frigging healing.factor, anything else is easy enough and can be found in most street samurai close combat types O.o
i think i read somehwere that wolverine basically got thrown through a sun, then regrew in space but did not come back to the land of the living because there was no air for him to breathe so he simply kept dieing again and again . . then he fell on some planet, burning away to the bone again by reentry and then regrew . . he woke up, looked around and basically seemed like he only had a REALLY bad case of a hangover . . no idea where he was, and how he got there, hungry and wanting a cigarette and a beer . .

Posted by: Draco18s Feb 24 2009, 09:54 PM

Wolverien in SR? A little hard, but I suggest that something similar could be done with SURGE (claws, fur) + Adept (Rapid Healing out the ass?)

Posted by: InfinityzeN Feb 25 2009, 12:41 AM

Wolverine in SR? Actually pretty easy.

Spirit Pact to get Regeneration. Surge for a higher Body, Celerity, and any other 5 pointer you want. Add in a little bio and cyber (Bone Lacing, Spurs, etc) and your done.

Posted by: crash2029 Feb 25 2009, 07:18 AM

I've been working on Iron Man armor as a modded suit of heavy military armor. I realize that it cannot fly on its own, but with hydraulic jacks and strapped into a sparrow you can squint real hard and see flight. I'm a bit stuck on the integrated weapons. I can't figure out a way to use Ares Redlines. I mean they are pistols, sort of. But there is no cyber-implant laser pistol weapon. Additionally I am trying to figure out if you can integrate a few power satchel packs or a power backpack to run the lasers. Finally I figured on having an autoinjector loaded with the drugs that trauma patches administer. I mean is a dermal patch the only way to utilize the effects of a trauma patch.

By the way InfinityzeN, good idea on the spirit pact regeneration for wolverine.

There should be a thread for SR versions of superheroes. That would be cool.

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 25 2009, 08:55 AM

i think there have been back in sr3, not sure if one have showed up for sr4 yet...

btw, would not the lasers be mounted on the suit, not the man?

Posted by: Browncoatone Feb 25 2009, 11:23 AM

Wolverine in SR? His basic "superpower" is regeneration so just make him a shapeshifter. Of course Wolverine is so much cooler than your pathetic knock-off is going to be so your regeneration won't be as good as his, but that's as things should be, don't you think?

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 25 2009, 12:07 PM

one "funny" item to add.

iirc, at one point they stripped old hairy of his metal skeleton.

besides introducing the bone claws, this also introduced that his regeneration is even crazier then first suspected, only that the metal skeleton was slowing it down.

in other words, his regeneration ability works at the level of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot. just like hulk, or for that matter superman...

Posted by: Uli Feb 25 2009, 05:16 PM

New Idea for Iron Man

How about Spirit Knack or Latent Awakening that becomes Spirit Knack so the character can have at least some implants? This way the character could do almost nothing and it would be all in his armor.
He is able to initiate once, learn Ally Conjuring and summon a (low power) air spirit inspired ally (that he could call "Jarvis") into his military armor. The result would be a dual natured armor with realistic form, aura masking, and immunity against normal weapons. The only problem would be carrying the character. But you could the spirit to be able to cast levitate.
But how many successes would the ally need for inhabitation? Just 3 for the armor or 3 +2 net hits for a successful flesh form?


Other New Idea

You could just play a magician or psionic who relies heavily on clumsy, heavy armored fetishes (clout, powerbolt, or laser in gauntlets, levitate in boots etc.). Which would be boring.

Posted by: Uli Feb 25 2009, 05:52 PM

...this still leaves the problem that you can't anything into these armors. So no fancy, integrated weapons.

Posted by: Jaid Feb 25 2009, 09:29 PM

start with a sparrow. add arms and legs.

mechanical arms and legs can be modified with anything that can go into cyberarms and cyberlegs.

does that help?

Posted by: Uli Feb 25 2009, 10:48 PM

Not really, since you can't fit armor, the arms, and the other necessary equipment into the sparrow. And even if you overmodified it, it would remain quite fragile.

Posted by: crash2029 Feb 26 2009, 03:08 AM

The lasers would be mounted in the armor, however the rules for integrated weapons refers you over to cyberguns.

Posted by: Jaid Feb 26 2009, 03:54 AM

there is a mod somewhere to add body rating to vehicles. this would presumably also increase the max armor rating, which might make the sparrow a bit more workable.

and definitely, no matter what you do ironman's armor is going to have to be overmodded. it can't be avoided.

Posted by: Endroren Mar 26 2009, 07:19 PM

Here's my take on Shadowrun Iron Man:

Ta da!

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 26 2009, 07:36 PM

with the number of drones being used by both government and civilian alike, i find that somewhat hard to believe...

Posted by: InfinityzeN Mar 26 2009, 07:44 PM

Heh! I like that.

Posted by: Endroren Mar 26 2009, 08:29 PM

Well it WAS a joke but....



Doesn't seem all that impossible to me!

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 26 2009, 08:32 PM

memo to self, put a fake transponder in the suit

Posted by: The Jake Apr 21 2009, 01:03 PM

Resurrecting this thread.

Don't forget he has to be a dwarf. Gotta be.

Wolvie is 5'3" and weights 195lbs ffs.

- J.

Posted by: Medicineman Apr 21 2009, 01:20 PM

No Lasers
Iron Man uses Repulsors
Weapons that aren't invented in SR
And for Flight I'd use a Drone not the Sparrow

Wolverine ist no Dwarf,he's just a short Guy

Hokahey
Medicineman

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 21 2009, 02:06 PM

Laser, Repulsor, same difference in Look and feel . .
TECHNICALLY, the Repulsors are there to help him control his flight.
So they are the same as the jets in his boots, just in his hands.

And Wolverine is SO a Dwarf . . he can be standing on a table and look other people square in the eyes . .

Posted by: Zenfar Apr 21 2009, 02:22 PM

Back in the day, I created every superhero and villain in Champions. And the battles with the simulated the comics quite well. I think Iron Man is out of place in Shadowrun but I may be mistaken as I never got my gaming group to do more than a few intro adventures in Shadowrun. Wolverine seems like a perfect Shadowrun character also you could look at War Machine as he is basically a cyborg at this point out of the armor. Cable would be another cool choice.

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 21 2009, 02:46 PM

half of that comes from his hunched over posture when in combat...

problem is that different artist gives him different heights. i recall comics where hes presented as going eye to eye with cyclops, on flat ground...

Posted by: Zenfar Apr 21 2009, 03:39 PM

I would say Wolverine is a very tall Dwarf but a Dwarf none the less... At least in Shadowrun. I always thought he was cooler when he was shorter and wider.

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 21 2009, 03:41 PM

He is short, he his bulky, he is strong, he is resilent, he is grumpy, he favours bladed weapons, honor and going berserk in combat.
tell me that's NOT a dwarf ^^

Posted by: InfinityzeN Apr 21 2009, 04:03 PM

Hell yes! I need me some big honking Cable Guns, stat!

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 21 2009, 04:11 PM

LMG, PAC, HVAR, Minigun, Automatic Shotguns, LargeBore SMGs, Burst Capable Heavy Pistols, Laser and Sonic Rifles.
But yes, building cable as a magic adept with one cyber-arm/eye would be hardcore ^^

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 21 2009, 04:24 PM

heh, now im reminded of a nature program showing a real life wolverine.

the damn thing walks around hunched most of the time. but thanks to its fur, its really hard to tell. interesting thing is that this makes it able to do feats of "jumping" as needed.

this one was filmed walking up to a abandoned cottage, with a broken window. it didnt even slow down, it just stretched out and was inside in the blink of and eye, and before that one could not tell that the thing should really reach that high.

as for the characters strength, i dont know. he has a skeleton thats nearly unbreakable, and a body that can heal almost as fast as it gets hurt. under that scenario, one can probably build up the habit of stretching the body beyond what a normal human would tolerate before pain and damage sets in.

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 21 2009, 04:29 PM

Furthermore he has been injected with something that seriously hampers the chemical/horme which stops muscle grow.
So he has literally more muscle than he should have.

Posted by: Medicineman Apr 22 2009, 11:07 AM

Deadpool would be Cool in SR4

HeyaHeyaHeya
Medicineman

Posted by: GreyBrother Apr 22 2009, 12:55 PM

Hmmm actually, painting and breaking the Fourth Wall should be easy with a Sam.

Or a Magician. Add a Mentor Spirit "Gamemaster" for extra fun and let both of them have conversations about the current plot while everyone else has to stay IC.
Bonuspoints if you pull off a convincing dialogue between you and your character which helps in your current plot and no one claims that you are a metagaming dick

Posted by: Draco18s Apr 22 2009, 01:15 PM

A friend of mine had a character concept once that was a guy who THOUGHT he was in a role playing game. Jon never elaborated one which game the character thought he was part of, but the idea was funny enough.

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 22 2009, 01:28 PM

if it were not so completely out of character, add in common sense adge, then instead of the GM going:"are you REALLY sure you want to do that" every time you decide to do something stupid
GM:"Your character gives you the Finger and demands that you try it first."

Posted by: KarmaInferno Apr 22 2009, 08:14 PM

Mentioned it before, but how about James Rhodes/War Machine as he is now?

Full body cyborg, interchangeable limbs, freaky tech-control ability to absorb and integrate other machines into his body structure. Absurd amounts of firepower.



-karma

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 22 2009, 10:06 PM

a techno-zombie?

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 22 2009, 10:46 PM

With SR4 Armor/Vehicle-Mods, that should be pretty doable.
not cyber-zombie, not cyborg, simply someone fit enough to wear all that armor . .
Though the Cyborg approach would be the ultimate pinnacle in adaptability/modularity i guess O.o
The Absorbing and spitting out weapons on a whim one reminds me of the defilers from WH40K o.O

Posted by: KarmaInferno Apr 22 2009, 10:53 PM

Yah, during the last major Marvel cross-title bash he got really mangled. He does not so much wear the armor anymore, he's more a full body borg that happens to resemble the old War Machine armor.

As I posted in another thread, last fight he got thrown into a fighter jet, which cinematically exploded. As he was passing through the debris cloud, using some funky magnetic fields, he grabbed one of the jet's engines, all it's remaining armament, and enough servos and armor to replace his then-missing legs and other damaged bits. He'd finished integrating them by the time he came out the other side of the explosion.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02a/darkreignreprints02/WarMachine_02_SecondPrinting.jpg



-karma

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 22 2009, 11:04 PM

Ok, this is over the Top, even for Marvel standards O.o
and it's how i would build most battle-vehicles ^^

Posted by: Shinobi Killfist Apr 23 2009, 02:37 AM

Wow the crap manga I read seems reasonable in comparison. Civil war burnt me out on marvel.

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 23 2009, 09:10 AM

Read Deadpool or Nextwave < = the funny ^^
Or World War Hulk, the complete shebang, for something that goes straight back to"oh no, somehow, i am the ruler of myth of some far away planet nobody knows anything about"

Posted by: Shinobi Killfist Apr 24 2009, 02:14 AM

I did not like nextwave, though I am a deadpool fan when he is the merc with the mouth and not poser hero for hire. I tried to read world war hulk, I really did, but this giant sucking sound kept drowning out the words in my head.