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Posted by: Aaron Apr 16 2008, 04:33 PM

http://www.variety.com/VR1117984029.html.

Posted by: Aaron Apr 16 2008, 04:43 PM

Also, I meant "think," not "thing." Sorry about that.

Posted by: Backgammon Apr 16 2008, 05:39 PM

Ouch

Posted by: Larme Apr 16 2008, 06:05 PM

Everything that has been produced under the GiTS license so far has been great. I think this is because Shirow monitors them with a big stick in hand, and he's a genius. So it will be good

Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Apr 16 2008, 07:07 PM

My concern, are the actors to be ethnic asians, since it is set in Japan, OR caucasians as most of the characters look? And if not asian, where will it be set? Gaijin cops in Japan? orredo the characters to be ethnic Japanese and will there be enough of a market for that?

Posted by: Aaron Apr 16 2008, 07:16 PM

I'm voting for Yun-Fat Chow as Batou.

Posted by: Mäx Apr 16 2008, 08:22 PM

Sounds pretty cool.

Is dreamwork also orking on Battle angel alita or am i remembering wrong.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Apr 16 2008, 08:34 PM

Fox, actually, helmed by James Cameron.


-karma

Posted by: hermit Apr 16 2008, 08:57 PM

QFT.


Uhm ... most characters in SAC actually appear fairly japane-zy for Anime standards ... Bateau [sic] being the exception, sicne he is supposed to be ethnic caucasian (just look at his nose!).

Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 16 2008, 09:27 PM

You know... I have to admit I'm very very leary of a live action version of GitS. I hope Shirow rules it with his heavy stick but... I have my concerns.

Of course is Spielberg loves it nearly as much as he loved WWII, it could be totally awesome.

Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Apr 17 2008, 03:38 PM

Aramaki, Boma and Ishikawa could be said to look Japanese. that's it. Only the Major's thick hair looks Japanese. Hate to admitt it but we, Japanese girls, don't come with those curves she has.

Togasa, Saito and Pazu look very caucasian. heck only Saito has dark hair!

Batou, I never thought of him as caucasion, just because most of the team looks caucasian. The hair cut, if not oclor is japanese. Names that begin with 'B' or 'G' are thought to be somewhat brutish. So 'B'atou in his name discribes the big heavy man, like 'B'oma.

Posted by: hermit Apr 17 2008, 03:59 PM

She didn't either? I mean, in that Anime. Being a full-body 'borg and all. But yeah, point taken. Then again, it's Shirow. Lots of japanese girls have rather ... un-japane-zy proportions in his works.

Togusa is supposed to be japanese though, I think ... propably dyes his hair. At least in china, that seems to be quite popular, and it appears to me they mimic every last fashion trend coming from Japan there. Or it's blamable on "it's Anime, people have green hair there and everyone thinks that's normal" ...

Pazu could be Israeli or something, though, with that name. Though most of that crew have biosculpted faces, so they may be whatever.

Didn't know about that brutes part though. I'll consider that when naming the next Yak Squad, Thanks.

Posted by: Aaron Apr 17 2008, 04:33 PM

I'm worried that they'll make Togusa into some sort of comedic sidekick.

Oh, and I'd vote for Summer Glau as Major Kusanagi.

Posted by: Speed Wraith Apr 17 2008, 04:40 PM

As much as everyone loves Summer Glau, I'd think she's too young/fresh-faced to play the Major...Now I'm going to have to start thinking of my fantasy cast

Posted by: Spike Apr 17 2008, 05:03 PM

Summer Glau is 27. I noticed in the Terminator TV show that they were working hard to make her seem 'teenish', which has to be doubly hard when you're supposed to be playing a machine...

Just sayin'... give her some cynical angst and some mature, serious cloths and she might actually fit.

Not that I care much. She's hot, but so is 90% of Hollywood, Bollywood and whatever they call the chinese grindhouse area...no dearth of hot people in acting, no matter what country you talk about.

Posted by: knasser Apr 17 2008, 05:20 PM

I've not seen much Ghost in the Shell: the original movie and some of the first series. But I've seen enough to get a feel for the subject matter and the tone and I honestly can't think of many worse directors than Spielberg in some ways. I still shudder at his last foray into dark, near future. For those who have repressed the memory, it was called AI and I would require payment to sit through that again.

Posted by: Aaron Apr 17 2008, 05:30 PM

It's not so much for her hotness that I'd choose her, but because she is graceful. I mean, she's able to act while moving; check out the terminator face she keeps while she's in the middle of a knock-down, drag-out fight. Whoever played the Major would have to be able to do that. There have been too many films lately with "veteran combatant" female characters who don't actually look like they're fighting.

Posted by: Spike Apr 17 2008, 07:00 PM

Actually, I think quite a few actresses can easily pull off the 'acting while fighting' bit quite well. The trick is convincing them to actually, you know, sign on for the movie.

Summer comes from a dance background, which a surprisingly large number of actresses do as well. I do rather suspect that she's the only current actress working who has been pushed extensively to use that, and may even 'over' use it to make up for deficencies in actual acting ability.

Which, as you point out, may be a significant asset for this particular role.

Posted by: WhiteWolf Apr 17 2008, 07:20 PM

As long as they don't try to dump Ghost in the Shell down to a kids story the movie will be great. Every time Spielberg tries to add humor in for the kids he screws the movie up. Ewoks, Jar Jar, and the entire Star Wars episodes 1, 2, and 3; Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom (I think that was the second one). But take the ones he made for adults Star Wars episodes 4 and 5, Raiders of the Lost Ark and a few others, so I hope he makes the movie for an adult audience.

Posted by: Adarael Apr 17 2008, 07:25 PM

DLN: I don't know if Batou is ethnically Japanese, but it was stated in SAC 1st Gig (as well as an appendix in one of the mangas) that he was a US Army Ranger when he started his military career. So it's possible Batou is hapa or something.

Well, not naturally, no. But most modern Japanese girls don't pay for full cyborg prosthetic bodies, either.

Posted by: Speed Wraith Apr 17 2008, 07:27 PM

Ignore the Ewoks and Return of the Jedi is a pretty dark and adult flick

Posted by: Aaron Apr 17 2008, 07:29 PM

If by "Spielberg" you mean "Lucas," then I agree with you.

Temple of Doom was better than most folks give credit for it; it's just that Western audiences don't understand all the Hindu stuff, especially when it leaks into the themes and plot. Spielberg was in on the Indiana Jones movies.

Posted by: WhiteWolf Apr 17 2008, 07:41 PM

Agree!


Aaron, yup that is what I meant. I always get those two confused. Sorry Spielberg! I like the Temple of Doom it just the humor in it was ... off key for the movie. The little asian kid was good and I liked him, but the humor they had him do was just dumb.

Posted by: paws2sky Apr 17 2008, 08:03 PM

Silliness of the scene aside, those were prepared to BBQ and EAT the main characters, knowing full well that humans were intelligent beings. Makes the party scene at the end, with the ewoks using imerpial helmets as percussion instruments, a bit more creepy if you keep that in mind. One of my friends used to sing over the party scene music: "Yub yub / we eat human flesh / ..."


Anyway... I haven't really followed GitS much, so I don't have the attachment to it that many fans do. So, I guess I'll reserve judgement on whether it will be good or suck balls.

Posted by: Serial_Peacemaker Apr 17 2008, 08:08 PM

Well supposedly aren't at least some of Section 9 supposed to be old war buddies from some sort of WW3 scenario? That could explain the different ethnicities if they decided to ditch their home country after the war especially since a good number of them have what are essentially high priced fighter jet equivalents for bodies. Hard to be patriotic when you really, really need that sixty thousand mile tune up on your spine. Course the story changes slightly in every itteration, because if I remember correctly in the original Manga the Major was actually something like sixty, but since she had a completely artificial body you could not notice.

Posted by: Wesley Street Apr 17 2008, 08:45 PM

I'm optimistic but also a bit leery. I'll wait to see when Akira goes live-action before making any judgments on Japanese anime-to-American live action films.

I have a very hard time seeing the American film industry doing a sci-fi/action flick with heavy dosages of Japanese politics along with Zen, Shinto and Buddhist philosophies and doing it well. So much of what makes GitS great are the subtle nuances that are so very... Japanese. Take those away and you have The Terminator. I'll give Spielberg props for Minority Report but that was more for set design and direction than story. And if he's only producing this thing and giving it to a hack like Michael Bay it's all over. No amount of Joss Whedon fan nerd-casting would save it.

Posted by: Daddy's Little Ninja Apr 17 2008, 09:08 PM

The trick will be not to try. just have them living in the world and not try to push Nippon. An example form the 2nd gig might be when Batou confronts the evil plotter on top of the sky scraper. There was a shrine there to the "Individual 11" who suicided there. Batou kneels offers a prayer for them while talking to the bad guy. don't explain what he is donig, just do it and move on. The smart audience will get it.

Posted by: b1ffov3rfl0w Apr 17 2008, 09:16 PM

Ewoks are hardcore, definitely. Supposed "badass" Boba Fett gets killed accidentally by a blind guy; meanwhile Ewoks are popping out of the woods like little furry ninjas, defeating the damn Empire with low-tech guerrilla tactics. I hadn't even really thought about how they were also man-eating savages, that's awesome.

Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 17 2008, 10:40 PM

I guess my question is if they're going to go the action oriented "lighter" pacing of GitS:SAC or if they're going to go down the "Let's Demonstrate What It's Like to Have Access To Wikipedia:Philosophy All the Time" of the movies.

Posted by: hermit Apr 17 2008, 10:41 PM

That's not how western-style movies work, though.


a) The name you're looking for is Lucas, not Spielberg
b) GitS and good old Space Opera, while I do love Space opera, just don't mix.


I agree. Which is why this movie will fail.


Joss Wheadon, while a brilliant scriptwright and director of serieses, especially with character development, is totally not the person that could do GitS well.

Also, I seriously doupt they'll find any actress that could convincingly play someone as mysterious and cold and yet not incredibly dull and boring as Major Kusanagi appears in the Series' and movies, which si largely to the pretty brilliant voice acting in the japanese original (the english voice, while okay, doesn't come within light years of that).

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 06:41 AM

I think the very fact that so many people can't distinguish between Spielberg and Lucas initially shows why this is such a bad idea.

I've never seen anything else that had the unique feel of a GITS work, while Specas movies are essentially "Generic Western Movie Formula #X" done slightly better than most people, with the occasional blatant steal from Japanese cinema. *cough*StarWarsisHiddenFortressTheRemix*cough*

The fact that these two directors have such similar styles--and that those styles are a galaxy far far away from GITS--screams disaster louder than an incoming satellite piloted by singing tachikoma AI's.

Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 18 2008, 08:08 AM

Whoa whoa... are you saying that singing tachikoma AI's plumetting through the atmosphere isn't all manner of awesome?

Posted by: sunnyside Apr 18 2008, 08:30 AM

In the Ghost series the Americans are the "bad guys", and I do beleive everyone is supposed to be Japanese. (Although supposedly Shirow admited that he based Batous looks on Steven Seagal so I guess that would make for a good casting choice).


I have high hopes for this as Speilburg really wanted it. Usually when these things go to absolute crap it's because someone bought a property and then drops it in the lap of someone who wasn't a huge fan of the work.

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 09:19 AM

Yeah, but there are also some terrible fanfics out there. Being a rabid fan of a genre doesn't mean you can actually create something that has the same feel. For example, I'm a huge fan of swing music, and a talented musician--but I can't write swing to save my life. I can do awesome covers, but I can't create an original work that sounds like swing. My talent simply lies along different lines.

It's the same thing here: Spielberg may love GITS, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to make a GITS-style movie. Judging from the work he's done so far, I'd say we're in for a francise-raping the likes of which hasn't been seen since Joel Schumaker took over the Batman Movies.

Not at all. In fact, I nearly cried during that scene. Pathetic, I know, but I'm a sucker for samurai-invoking pyhhric victories.

The life of a man...
...burn it with the fire...

Posted by: Aaron Apr 18 2008, 12:01 PM

Isn't that akin to saying "I think the very fact that so many people can't distinguish between bionics and cybernetics initially shows why prosthetics research is such a bad idea?"

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 12:32 PM

I bet they'll be Americans in the US remake.


Spielberg movies, on the other hand, usually are dedicated, true to the original, and always have a vibe unique to that movie? Right. The only worse choice in regards of high-level directors could be Emmerich.


Apples and oranges have a lot in common, yes.

Posted by: Aaron Apr 18 2008, 01:58 PM

Er ... could you be a bit less vague? I miss your point. Are you agreeing with me, or are you suggesting that I'm drawing an invalid analogy?

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 02:53 PM

Wow, no sleep for 24hrs and I'm still not going to take the flame-bait. I must have better self control that I thought.

It's not apples to oranges. My whole argument has been that I don't feel someone whose artistic style is as "western generic" as Spielberg makes a good choice to be behind something as unique and distinctly asian as GITS.

People confuse Lucas and Spielberg because their styles are almost identical--they basically operate on the standard adventure/drama formulas that have been a staple of western writing for at least a century. It's the same style of storytelling you see in old adventure novels and radio plays.

GITS, on the other hand, has a very unique feel even for Japanese anime, which is itself pretty far removed the style that Spielberg favors.

Going back to my music metaphor, this is like asking a synthrash performer to write an orchestra piece. You may get a synthrash version of an orchestra piece, but it will not sound like it's from the same genre as Mozart or Debussy.

In my experience, nothing sucks quite like a movie that has the characters and trappings of the previous films/episodes/whatever, but absolutely does not feel like a "<insert beloved property here> movie"--and that is what I think we'll get from this. Not a new GITS movie, but a "Stephen Spielberg Does GITS" movie.

Posted by: Aaron Apr 18 2008, 02:56 PM

That makes more sense. At first I thought you were suggesting that making a movie was pointless because some people didn't know the difference yada yada yada.

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 03:36 PM

And I for one was indeed pointing out that I find the analogy between medical technology and movie making a bit ... far fetched.

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 03:50 PM

No, that would be stupid.

* Edited to add quote, I don't type so fast on a sleep deficit.

Posted by: knasser Apr 18 2008, 04:09 PM

Allowing that Spielberg actually is a huge fan of the work (I don't know him and interviews aren't worth spit), then it is important to know why he is a big fan. Is it because he likes the idea of cyborg bodies? Is it because he likes the subtlety of the central characters. Is it just because he doesn't know much anime, saw GitS and thought "Wow! This cartoon is totally different to Darkwing Duck, I've got to do something with it!"

We don't know and so we don't know which aspects of GitS might be preserved and which parts he might think of as just window dressing and scrap. Personally, there are very few of Spielberg's films that I have liked. And the older I get, the shorter that list gets, as his approach of "Now I make you feel sad. Now I make you feel touched. Now I make you feel..." seems cruder and cruder.

Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 18 2008, 04:24 PM

Awww so you must not have liked AI?

*ducks*

I honestly think that American anime to live Action will probably be like our effort to make a decent goddamn comic book movie.

In other words, it's gonna be a while and I wish they'd started with another series.

Oh well.

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 18 2008, 05:42 PM

i know what you're talking about . . sometimes, when i'm feeling brave i look that scene up on youtube.com . . the original japanese version is the worst x.x

Posted by: knasser Apr 18 2008, 05:57 PM

A.I. had... characters that made no sense, technology that was inconsistent, no pacing, dubious and self-contradictory morality, enough sentimentality to choke a puppy, a plot that ran like a bad Dungeons and Dragons game, a future society that has zero internal consistency, clumsy attempts to manipulate the audience's feelings, a lack of ability to actually make the viewer suspend his or her disbelief and forget they're watching a movie and a literal deus ex machina ending that is not only spectacularly stupid, scientifically insane, boring as a sprout and actually unnecessary, but also manages to make the central character even more staggeringly dull and unlikeable by adding a degree of selfishness and narcissim that is literally cosmic in its implications when you think about it properly.

Nor am I alone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3242607.stm

Jude Law, however, was quite good.

Khadim.

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 07:40 PM

Yeah, but the "Rouge City" bit or whatever it was seemed very SR in a way.

A.I. would have been better if it ended after the kid fell in the water. That would have left you with a message about the faults and cruelty of humanity, instead of being a lame Pinocchio rip-off. The fact the Spielberg chose a safe, comfortable, Disney ending over the melancholy ending that makes a point is the surest sign that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVdoEBrpHyc will never happen in a Spiel-borg GITS movie, and those uncomfortable, surreal, philosophical question marks are what makes GITS so great.

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 07:59 PM

Oh yes, that would have been the Kubrick ending. The Spielberg ending was totally wrong.

Yes. GitS isn't family friendly, puppy cute and easy and nice. Propably event he wachowskys would be a better choice than Spielberg.


I firmly believe that's it!

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 08:09 PM

Animaniacs, not Darkwing Duck.

"Gee Laughing Man, what do you want to do tonight?"

"The same thing we do every night Puppet Master, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"

>Cue cinema travesty<

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 08:12 PM

And Motoko and Bateau have to fall in love and marry in the end!

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 18 2008, 08:29 PM

there will be casualties if they mess up makoto and her guns . .
and if the tachikomas die in this AGAIN i will frigging scream . .

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 08:43 PM

They had a very honorable, noble death. Actually, they had all they could ever ask for before too, so their existence obviously was a happy one. Besides, apparently, they were backupped anyway, and got cool new bodies whose default picture isn't baby blue but a much cooler camo-ish green.

I'm harrowed by what Spielberg would make of the Tachis.

And Motoko will act like some sort of superhero gun babe and have sex with Bateau. Mark my words.

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 08:47 PM

No, their satellite will crash into the bay, and then they'll wake up a thousand years later to find that humanity is extinct and shiny chrome spiderdrones rule the planet.

Posted by: HullBreach Apr 18 2008, 08:55 PM

This is what Im terrified of happening. I have a sinking feeling they are going to turn her into yet another generic sexy-dangerous-heroine ala anything Angilina Jolie has played in the last 10 years or the lead from the resident evil flicks. The Major has so much more depth to her character that a pistols-akimbo one-liner spouting pretty face would simply piss upon.

Batou is another potential trouble area. It would be real easy for him to be written off as a big dumb source of comic relief and heavy-weapons fire. This is again wrong. The impression you begin to get about him early on is that he has come to hate some aspects of his own humanity, and this really comes through at the end of the first season (ranting at the Major about changing identities) and the entirety of the second film (which is essentially about his redemption via freindship with Togusa).

This road has a beutiful finish at its end, it just happens to have so many landmines along it I question wheter its wise to tread down it.

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 09:12 PM

However, and many western viewers will be unfamiliar with this concept, the different GitS franchise stuff is NOT settled in one continuum. In fact, they contradict each other. Japanese franchises often do this, one of the more extreme cases being the Godzilla series of Kaiju movies, where the world often is reset and reinterpreted. The movies and the SAC series are separate worlds and the characters aren't the same. The manga seem also to form another such world.

There's not the continuum many western franchises have.

Or male love interest. Who brings out Motoko's human, feeling, sensitive side. All generic combat superwoman characters have that.

Posted by: Rad Apr 18 2008, 09:34 PM

Face it, we'll be lucky to get another Aeon Flux out of this.

(The movie, not the anime.)

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 09:51 PM

If that.

Posted by: Velocity219e Apr 18 2008, 10:29 PM

Wouldn't her lesbian tendencies kinda put a crimp on that?

Posted by: hermit Apr 18 2008, 10:49 PM

Lesbian tendencies in an american family-oriented movie directed by Spielberg? Beg your pardon?

Besides, lots of bi women marry men. See Angelina Jolie or Kristanna [sic] Loken.

Posted by: Velocity219e Apr 18 2008, 10:51 PM

Afaik you never ever see Motoko get friendly with any male characters at all, but you do fairly regularly with Females, and iirc in the actual mangas she's pretty much flat out a lezzer (sorry for the crudity)

be a tricky canon rewrite to sell to fans, and its gunna live or die on its fanbase imo.

it'd be something I could see being tastefully hinted at or entirely avoided

Posted by: Serial_Peacemaker Apr 19 2008, 03:52 AM

Actually in the Manga they pretty much show her with her boyfriend walking out of the bedroom saying "Neighbors Complaining we were too loud again?" Oddly my personal theory has always been that she likes VR sex with women, but in the flesh sex with guys.

Posted by: Adarael Apr 19 2008, 06:57 AM

Or that she purely doesn't descriminate.

And to play devil's advocate, I'm a big fan of Innocence. I like SAC, but the sort of mono no aware that permeates all of Batou and Togusa's interactions in Innocence make it much more moving for me. Although nowhere near as popcorn-munchingly "Holy crap go do awesome shit!" as SAC.

Part of that is the fact that Innocence is somewhat of a story of the very deep connection Batou feels towards Kusanagi and how empty he feels without her. I'm not saying he's a love interest for her, I'm saying SHE'S a love interest for him. But one that he very much knows would never work, so he reverts to professionalism. Which is also why he tells Togusa that yes, he'll never be as good a partner to Batou as she was. But it's not even the same sort of professional relationship.

I dunno. I like that subtext.

Posted by: hermit Apr 19 2008, 12:20 PM

As I pointed out, Japanese viewers are much more used to that, all the more with SAC dnegating the first Oshii movie totally. However, americanising will be a totally different problem to sell to them.


Totally. Yes, that's what I like about innocence, too. It's a tad too much into the surreal for me, but how the chemistry between Bateau and a person who almost isn't there plays out is well done indeed - and something Spielberg would totally fuck up, mark my words. Hence my initial prediction they become a couple. Because he just doesn't get WHY it's so important to the characters' integrity that they don't.


Considering how Motoko is just barely feeling human to begin with, how she can't be sure of what sex she is, being a jarhead and all, and not even sure whether she's not an android with human-like AI (which exist in GitS, like Proto), I'm with Adarael in that she just doesn't care much other than she has to somehow like these people, not matter their sex or age. In fact, in that one episode where she's on the loose in that refugee camp in SAC 2, she offers that boy she adopts to try out having sex with a full-body conversion (her) when he asks if fullbodies permit having sex, in a pretty casual "want to try?" sort of way.

Also, on the topic of boyfriends, SAC2 makes a great point of her once being in love with the terrorist mastermind guy, back when she was converted to jarhead. In the strange "Motoko has supernatural visions in antique stores" episode, she refers to him as her first love. So there for Motoko's lesbian, I guess.

But I doupt we'll get anything but straight, true love family values from Spielberg, which would so screw all that up.

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 19 2008, 03:47 PM

proto was specifically introduced in SAC iirc...

hell, they didnt even show him as biodrone until the end of SAC2. up to then he was just another tech at section 9, that "suddenly" moved on to be the boss's assistant towards the end, and then got revealed as biodrone...

also, when it comes to motoko's sexual preferences, i suspect its more that the girls she considers friends are every care-free about how they behave.

hell, i would say that this sexuality issue is more of a male thing then a female thing, as young females seems to be more open to fooling around without care. but then that could also just be a recent development, thanks to media influences and so on. still, the classical caricature of a homosexual male is a man behaving close to a airhead girl.

i dont know, trying to navigate the minefield that is social correctness is not for me anyways as there is no logic to it that i can find. and my personal preferences seems to go counter to whats generally accepted no matter what...

Posted by: Rad Apr 19 2008, 03:50 PM

Well, that's not entirely fair.

Much as everybody hates A.I., it did have some pretty racy and fucked up elements in there. I mean, you had a naive little boy-drone being led around by a hookerbot for crissakes--and a male hookerbot at that. Between him projecting that holo of a stripper into the frat-boy's lap to get a ride, and trying to pick up women outside of a church, there were definitely some elements in that movie that would fit in a GITS or SR world...

...the problem was that, in the end, Spielberg smothered them in gooey sentimental bullcrap--as though he felt like he was doing something naughty by not making it a g-rated kids show, and had to make up for his transgression.

I'm not saying he's a bad filmmaker, but you don't get the creator of Sesame Street to make Pulp Fiction 2.

(You have him do Labyrinth instead. )

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 19 2008, 03:59 PM

there is also the people that have roman/"blood sport" style entertainment with the robots...

its a very mixed movie, AI...

Posted by: hermit Apr 19 2008, 07:08 PM

I dunno. I know girls who are very put off by the mere thought of female-female action, and some guys who wouldn't particularily mind giving guys a try, so I dunno ..

Besides, the last part ... be glad the spartans aren't what they used to be.


Uhm ... was any even vague hint dropped about the hookerbot seervicing males too? I don't remember, at least ... and neither was he really shown in a positive light when, well, whoring. GitS would have been indifferent there, Spielberg was effectively judgemental. So there's your family values. Besides, nothing overly raunchy was screened. Possibly, these episodes were Kubrick's making, he wasn't so much about family values after all, and spielberg just made them more moderate.

Posted by: Adarael Apr 19 2008, 07:21 PM

Gigolo Joe is an open-minded android! He's here for YOU!

Posted by: Rad Apr 19 2008, 07:41 PM

No, I was just pointing out that a female hookerbot leading the kid around would have been more socially acceptable. Lol standards.

And I don't agree with you about him being portrayed negatively in those scenes. He was portrayed as being kind of simple, but as far as his profession he was generally the foil to display humanity in a negative light. If he wasn't exactly more moral than the frat guys, he was definitely more moral and caring than that woman's husband (a lot of women's husbands, to hear him tell it), in with the church scene he was basically painted as being a better comfort than religion. Jesus 2.0, now with orgasms!

Posted by: hermit Apr 19 2008, 07:42 PM

Now, Spielberg's work is sufficient and fitting for some matters, of course. But GitS? Not quite ... maybe (very maybe) Cameron could pull that off, or Ridley Scott, given that both team up with Shirow and LISTEN to what he has to say. But Spielberg, Gods ... that's like having some deeply socialist, artsy French or German theater director do the Borderlands Trilogy books.

Posted by: DocTaotsu Apr 20 2008, 02:44 AM

*Eyes gaze skyward*

Ridley Scott on GitS. That would be... good, possibly great.

Posted by: knasser Apr 20 2008, 09:30 AM

Luc Besson and Roman Polanksi - working together!

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 20 2008, 10:53 AM

bah, lets face it. any kind of medium translation will result in a loss of content...

Posted by: hermit Apr 20 2008, 03:47 PM

Well. It DID work reasonably well from print to anime ...

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 20 2008, 03:55 PM

the point being "reasonably". what is really "reasonably"?

as in, what would be "reasonably well" when going from drawing to live action?

Posted by: KarmaInferno Apr 20 2008, 04:26 PM

Shirow is on record that the only reason he made a lesbian scene in the manga was due to him not wanting to draw naked man-butt.

And as pointed out she's had boyfriends.

I think she's simply omnisexual. Like Jack Harkness. The bodily differences simply aren't an issue for her, given that her own body is pretty much female only by choice.


-karma

Posted by: Snow_Fox Apr 20 2008, 04:31 PM

I think it would work out, like the Robert Redford movie Sneakers but more violent at the conclusion.But have plot exposition at the front, like a terrorists cell is gonig to blow up a building-like the first episode of 2nd gig- so they show the tech decking and shooting skills in the line of action.

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 20 2008, 04:34 PM

so its a effect of the technological developmet thats hinted at rather then spelled out and pushed in ones face, at least not in the manga. sac2 on the other hand do more directly talk about the effect of cyberware and sexuality.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Apr 20 2008, 04:53 PM

stick to the anime, that's what more people know and ius less likely to offend people where the sexuality is hinted at

Posted by: Adarael Apr 20 2008, 06:19 PM

Is it wrong that my #1 worry is that Togusa won't have an amazing mullet?

Cuz for real, GiTS is so immensely fragmented amongst manga, anime, film, etc, that none of the cells of its existence really interact with the others. They're all in different continuities. And at worst, there will be a movie with robots, guns, and girls who can kick through walls.

I'd see that anyway, just for the popcorn "Go kill, robot girl!" aspect of it.

Posted by: hermit Apr 20 2008, 06:49 PM

I guess. And then Bateau's love saves her from becoming a mindless combat machine. Which of course totally isn't how Battle Angel alita is gonna turn out.