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Posted by: Kronk2 May 27 2008, 05:04 AM

Let me start by saying that I left my copy of Arsenal @ my buddies place, Where we run the game. I know its a niggling detail, but dangit it does matter. What Assault rifle do the Texas Army carry? I am assuming that they have moved beyond the M-14 onto something with a bit more class.

The need would be
Cheap, Reliable, and good stopping power. And carry 1 more bullet than the guy shooting at me. (In the case the Azzies)
I am liking something like the M1 Garand. I like the idea of it having a small flaw. The ping of the ejector spring spitting out the last round. I am thinking a 31 round gun with standard reflex sights, A bolt on smartlink, and a under mount ring. either that or a supped up 45 smg.

The Azzies I expect would be using something with say 6P, 30 round clip smartlink, and a really cool ammo counter projected into the sight picture.

Posted by: WearzManySkins May 27 2008, 05:45 AM

In my SR4 world shotguns are used a lot down there in Texas

Check this link for some double barreled shotguns
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=17735&hl=ReddKneck

WMS

Posted by: hyzmarca May 27 2008, 05:55 AM

God made men but it was Samuel Colt who made them equal. And then his heirs gave us the integral grenade launcher. Colt M22A3. If it's Texas it has to be a Colt.

Posted by: kzt May 27 2008, 05:59 AM

Because they really want to buy all their guns from Connecticut?

Posted by: Fuchs May 27 2008, 07:11 AM

I give them the standard weapon I used for the CAS army - Colt M22A3/Colt M23. Smartlink as standard, of course - in my campaign, almost all shooters, civilian and military, in the CAS have a smartlink (for safety reasons, and to keep up with the neighbors at events). For snipers the Walther WA2000 was said to be the standard sniper rifle of the CAS. Ares Predator as a side arm.

Posted by: hobgoblin May 27 2008, 05:04 PM

is colt part of ARES in SR?

if so, those guns may well be made in some hell-hole sweatshop and shipped in...

Posted by: Wounded Ronin May 27 2008, 05:05 PM

In this link this question is spelled out and addressed: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=11960&b=1&st=0&p=0&#entry0

Posted by: CanRay May 27 2008, 06:17 PM

Or subcontracted out to the Peublo Corporate lands and is really well made!

Murphy, one of my NPCs, has a first edition Ares Predator that fell off the back of the truck from the first shipment from Pueblo to Seattle that his GRANDFATHER picked up, and has been passed down the generations of Shadowrunners. (Murphy is an Ork.).

I don't think it's been refered to who owns Colt, which may own itself still, or been absorbed into the UCAS as part of the military as part of the "Armoury" and sells civilian weapons and ammo to try and get more funding for the underfunded armed forces. Or been bought by Ares, Aztechnology, Saeder-Krupp, Mitsuhama, Renraku, or any of the other Megas. Hell, it might be a Fuchi orphan and they can't find the stocks, but just keep manufacturing and making a profit!

Posted by: Fortune May 27 2008, 08:50 PM

Colt might very well still be an independent Corporation. There are still quite a lot of smaller corps that are not a subsidiary of one of the big 11.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin May 28 2008, 12:11 AM

Also, big revolvers. See Lone Wolf McQuade. And bolt action rifle > M16A1.

Posted by: CanRay May 28 2008, 12:29 AM

Full auto has it's advantages.

Being able to shoot your opponent before his rounds have a chance to hit you can be a better one. It's one of the reason that the Arctic Soldiers of the Canadian Armed Forces still use SMLEs (Although, rechambred for a NATO round. It's so hard to get MilSpec .303 British Service nowadays.).

Posted by: Snow_Fox May 28 2008, 02:14 AM

Far be it for me to bring up an authoritative source but check out SB 7104.
The official Assault rifle is the AUG. That would also cover the smg, carbine and lt mg.
The official Sniper rifle is the Walther MA2100.

and so now that I feel old I'm going to go watch my liver spots break out.

Posted by: CanRay May 28 2008, 03:12 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Styer AUG. Good rifle!

Posted by: Kronk2 May 28 2008, 04:34 AM

How should I handle basic training? I was thinking Firearms, outdoors, and Athletics @2 with a bump in the MOS. Say Stealth 3 for scouts. But thats like 50 points of skills I am tossing them
Perhaps I could charge 30 and get away with it? (They don;t get a choice of what they get)

Posted by: Snow_Fox May 31 2008, 02:59 PM

right, they don't get to decide what they train in the army does that for them.
"Permission to marry? Son if the army wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one."

Posted by: WearzManySkins May 31 2008, 05:32 PM

Yes and my response to such neandertwit remarks during my time in service "True but the USN did not issue me a brain either, ask Lt. Commander Klingsize(sp) about my using my brain to keep me from shooting his arse dead, when the Rules of Engagement said he should be dead."

But back on topic, if you require characters to have certain skills and levels in those skills prior to game play that is ok.

WMS

Posted by: Snow_Fox May 31 2008, 09:17 PM

At that point the RSM should have offered a requisition form for that item.

"Well sunshine, if you're gonna make cracks like that you obviously need to get one, right after you finish X extra details."

Posted by: hobgoblin May 31 2008, 09:22 PM

how about this, boot camp gives x skills at y level for all. then they can specialize and pick up another x skills at y level (or improve existing skills).

thats how some very interesting rpgs i have around does it with character generation in general.

then you can sprinkle it all with some interest skills and similar.

Posted by: WearzManySkins May 31 2008, 09:28 PM

"Good since I do not have a brain, can you fill out the paper work so I can have one. You will need to show me how to perform the extra details Sluur."

Posted by: annachie Jun 1 2008, 12:03 AM

Don't mess with the RSM. It's a definate no win situation.
(Wow, didn't know the US still used that rank.)


I've seen Walker, Texans don't use guns they use martial arts

Posted by: imperialus Jun 1 2008, 02:17 AM

I seem to remember Fields of Fire first introducing that combi gun (might have been the HK XM30 from Arsenal) and saying it was invented for the CAS military. It struck me as a bit over engineered for a battle rifle but hey.

Posted by: WearzManySkins Jun 1 2008, 02:29 AM

IIRC my history correctly it was the Texas Rangers that enable Samuel Colt to get his company off the ground due the number of handguns the Rangers liked to carry.

Ie the Walker Colt.

WMS

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 1 2008, 02:36 AM

the cas military supposedly also fields a hovertank...

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 1 2008, 04:45 AM

Yes, the CAS army should be filled with physads who use roundhouse kicks.

Posted by: WearzManySkins Jun 1 2008, 06:08 AM

CAS Stonewall Jackson MBT?

WMS

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 1 2008, 09:34 PM

quite possible. my memory is rusty and i didnt think the vehicle was ever statted in a book (that i recall reading or hearing about that is).

Posted by: WearzManySkins Jun 1 2008, 10:15 PM

No there was a picture of in one of the previous iterations of Shadowrun, but did not have much in the way of stats.

WMS

Posted by: Fuchs Jun 2 2008, 09:03 AM

Wasn't it statted in Rigger 1?

Posted by: Naysayer Jun 2 2008, 07:17 PM

I'm quite sure it wasn't. It had some "corrupted datafiles", and maybe also some shadowtalk, speculating about its potential armor (short version: massive) and armament (short version: stupendous), but no concrete stats.

Posted by: Kronk2 Jun 3 2008, 04:16 AM

A hovertank would be about the fastest way around central TX if you are avoiding the roads. Heck even if you aren't avoiding the roads. Although I would love to see them try and charge you for road use on the toll roads. You don't actually have any axles and most charge by axles.

Posted by: Kronk2 Jun 3 2008, 04:21 AM

BTW I went with a Carbine for my characters (they wanted to be militia not Army.( they are Army IRL)) One of them actually chose NOT to learn how to use a weapon at all. (he's a mage tho)

Basically the gun is a .45 version of the TMP with a screw on barrel extension and an extra trigger group available the civvie version is only SA but its a very accurate SA.
BTW I think 5p is a bit light for a .45 but the damage rules are caliber independent.

Posted by: Wakshaani Jun 5 2008, 12:13 PM

The CAS military also uses fully submersible nuclear carriers.

Full-sized carriers that also act as submarines.

...

I worry about my people at times.


-- Wak, riding along the VolSprawl

Posted by: CanRay Jun 5 2008, 12:16 PM

Now, here's a question, what about the CAS Militias?

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 5 2008, 04:29 PM

One thing is clear. We need more big powerful revolvers.

Also, it should be possible to fan your revolver, a la Raygun's rule. By fanning you have a bit less accuracy but your ROF should go up, and not be trapped in SS land.

Because whenever any sort of movie or story is set in the south there are .357 magnums.

Posted by: Fuchs Jun 5 2008, 04:46 PM

Hm... did the german Rigger book have stats for the Stonewall?

Posted by: WearzManySkins Jun 6 2008, 12:36 AM

Rigger Black Book page 95

Pure Vector-thrust or combination vector/ground effect drive
Signature significantly below simulation projections
ARES EG-200 kinetic rail gun
Rotary Autocannon or Winter Weapon System
External missile/rocket racks or twin RPV Pods
perimeter anti-personnel system Flechette??

WMS

Posted by: Earlydawn Jun 6 2008, 02:29 AM

Vector thrust is the same thing as an LCAC, or closer to a Harrier?

Posted by: hobgoblin Jun 6 2008, 02:33 AM

sounds like a t-bird...

Posted by: CanRay Jun 6 2008, 01:39 PM

I want one! For commuting to work in!

Posted by: WearzManySkins Jun 7 2008, 02:34 AM

Well only if your home is in Grand Prairie in DFW and your work in in San Antonio, ie you have to pass thru Azazi lines, then it would be perfect.

WMS

Posted by: CanRay Jun 7 2008, 04:54 AM

I live in Winnipeg. Close enough.

I'd like to see someone try to steal THIS ride!