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Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 3 2008, 02:21 AM

So, I was just busy lying face-down in bed when I realized that I'm not sure whether or not shadowrunners are fat.

The obvious response is, "most shadowrunners are poor, ergo they are skinny". But it's not that simple. It's possible that they're poor, but that all the soy based food products with their vaguely-defined supposed ability to feed the world in spite of ongoing shortages are extremely caloric. Think about how in the US you can have people who are almost destitute living in a slum but they manage to get fat by drinking beer, cheetoes, fruit drinks with corn syrup, and all that sort of stuff.'

As I lay face down in bed sniffing my sheets (not time for a wash yet) I realized that if most or many shadowrunners were fat, it would be awesome, because then they'd be fat guys in black leathers with katanas and uzis. They'd actually look like characters from a low budget amateur film about mercenaries if the director for the film took random fat people from the neighborhood for the roles and came up with the costumes and props (weapons) as cheaply as he could. And after all, that's probably about right, seeing as shadowrunners are supposed to be poor and disenfranchised.

Plus, it's probably a stressful lifestyle, which could lead to overeating, drinking, and even obesity due to stress. I'm also sure that many people, faced with an elevated probability of violent death, might not bother to watch their diet or "work out", so I could completely see lots of shadowrunners being fat.

It's not like you need much to be a shadowrunner. I mean, in principle you need a good reputation to get the most lucrative and delicate tasks, but anyone could grab a handgun, a leather jacket, and a Dolph Lundgren hairdo and be willing to go assault an office for money. Lots of people might do something like that and not even worry about the long term consequences if their mindset is very much rooted in the present moment. And I imagine that if I were a Johnson I wouldn't mind having some very cheap fat dudes with leather I could hire for simple tasks, or even as cannon fodder/diversions.

The question is how many shadowrunners are there, how many jobs are there and are most of them simple or complicated, and how many of the shadowrunners basically suck? I think these questions will let us know how many shadowrunners should be fat with a katana. And they might have cavities, too.

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 3 2008, 02:28 AM

I wonder what the essence loss for liposuction is.

Along those lines, how many runners blow all the money from their latest score on lotto tickets?

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 3 2008, 02:32 AM

All the ones who are bad at math.

"Man, last month I spent 5000 nuyen on lotto tickets, but nothing! But it'll work this time because I staked the whole 15,000 nuyen haul!"

Posted by: Alex Jun 3 2008, 02:44 AM

lottery: noun A tax levied on those who do not understand basic mathematics.

Posted by: coolgrafix Jun 3 2008, 02:47 AM

Just as there are fat poor people and there are skinny poor people, so then would there be fat shadowrunners and skinny shadowrunners. The same applies for the rich. One need not look far for references from the real and fictional worlds. Remember the Bounty Hunters TV series? 'Nuff said.

Posted by: Sweaty Hippo Jun 3 2008, 03:31 AM

If said shadowrunner is being all "Street Samurai" and fighting and running, then that exercise will make him less likely to be fat. If said shadowrunner is one who does nothing but haxxing Corporate files, then lack of physical requirement will make him more likely to be overweight.

Posted by: Larme Jun 3 2008, 04:31 AM

Sumo wrestler physad! Powers like mystic armor, rapid healing, strength boost, and of course a specialization in subdual combat, and there you have a perfectly good fat runner

Of course, in a world of trolls, a human sumo would be pretty pathetic overall... 300 pounds of muscle and fat is nothing against 400 pounds of raw muscle. I wonder if you could have a sumo troll? I've never seen a pic of a fat troll, they are always bulging with muscles, though it should be possible. It would look like the classic D&D ogre, I imagine...

Posted by: Kerris Jun 3 2008, 05:08 AM

Either that, or a Hutt.

Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jun 3 2008, 06:34 AM

...HolyChampion did a pic titled Fat Samurai a while back. Best use of cyberarms in my book.

Posted by: Fuchs Jun 3 2008, 06:49 AM

I think in the world of Shadowrun, only poor people are fat. Everyone else gets surgery or dietware. The exception would be people who really do not care at all about their meat body.

Posted by: Serial_Peacemaker Jun 3 2008, 07:01 AM

Actually I actually run it that despite tasting and looking like crap soy is actually good for you, and dirt cheap. So most people are actually eatting a lot healthier than today. Course life expectancy still sucks between the high rate of violence, toxins in the enviroment, and general stress factors of the fourth world. Also as an aside I doubt a Sam with maxed strength, agility, and body is going to be porker. Though I am willing to bet that riggers, hackers, and some varieties of mages are apt to be a mite chunky.

Posted by: Chrysalis Jun 3 2008, 07:32 AM

I usually ignore the idea of soy. It's like eating pills and driving around in flying cars.

However, I suspect that many Shadowrunners are not only fat, but are big. Actually our rigger is a butter ball of a machine engineer who most likely secretly wanks off in the used panties of the face.

But. That might be too much information.


Let's not forget that when the body fails, modern technology continues.

Our nerdy machine engineer wants to become the girl of his dreams:

Type

Essence

Availability

Cost

Severe Modification (changing from 5'6" 250 pounds to 5'2" 100 pounds)

0.5

12

10,000

Sex change

0.3

6

20,000

Clean metabolism

0.1

4

2,500

Dietware

0.1

4

2,500

Silky Skin

---

4

1,500

Breast implants

0.25

4

3,000

Commlink Hermes Ikon with Simrig

0.2

---

6,000

Total cost: 45,500

or he just wants to look like a chiseled superstar:
Moderate modification

---

6

5,000

Clean metabolism

0.1

4

2,500

Dietware

0.1

4

2,500

Total cost: 10,000

Posted by: Screamin Demon Jun 3 2008, 08:11 AM

I am of the mind that in a line of work where image makes or breaks the job shadowrunners would be acutely aware of how they look. I can imagine a few deckers being morbidly obese to represent their relaxed contempt for the meat, but if the street samurai split his pants at the ass is sweating and wheezing after the short stair climb to the exclusive part of the club they are meeting at...

Lets put it this way: Who would you rather hire, Frank Martin from 'The Transporter', or Tyrone from 'Snatch'?

Posted by: RunnerPaul Jun 3 2008, 08:15 AM

NERPS!

Like the cover of New Seattle?

Posted by: Iota Jun 3 2008, 08:21 AM

You guys are missing something!

Did any of you ever saw those "strong-man contests"?
I mean these guys are big and some of them i would say are fat, too. But they are running and lifting heavy things and doing a lot of other stuff that is very exercising.

So why shouldn`t a sammie look like one of these? A mean meat-ball....

To me this idea is great and next time i play myself, i will for sure have some mean, bad, fat sammie.

Posted by: Shiloh Jun 3 2008, 08:43 AM

Strongmen have *lousy* stamina, by and large. You can only train so much without your body breaking down and strongmen spend all their time on getting stronger. They generally aren't terribly quick on their feet and are hauling so much upper body mass around that they run lousy mile times. Even at the level of olympic decathletes, the concentration on the burst power useful for the majority of the events means that the winners are very often the worst performers in the 1500m section. Sure, some of the men on "World's Strongest Man" can run, but that's not their focus.

Huge sammies though, will be relatively common. 2m+ 180kilo shootfighters with cyberware. Not many of the good ones will have much of a spare tyre though.

Posted by: Blade Jun 3 2008, 09:03 AM

Fatness, up to a point, is also a sign of wealth which might be good in some social circles.

@Wounded Ronin: If we ever meet, we should definitely play a SR game set in a low-budget action movie. Something with Dolph Lundgren, Richard Harrison, a blond girl with a shower scene and a black friend who'll get killed to save them, directed by Godfrey Ho with a story involving ninjas and cyborgs.

Posted by: Fuchs Jun 3 2008, 09:15 AM

Where is fatness a sign of wealth in Shadowrun? Apart from areas where people are starving, and where weapons and cyberware are a much better signs of wealth already.

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 3 2008, 12:52 PM

Yeah, the whole fat as wealthy thing hasn't been true for the last century. Now everyone in the first world can afford to eat enough to be fat, but only the wealthy can afford the time to exercise it all away. The sedentary nature of most modern jobs also increases the weight. Rich people in SR can afford weekly bodysculpting.

On the other hand, you know who in SR would probably idolize fat? Orks. For one, it looks a bit better on them. You know an orks got muscle under that fat. Plays up on the whole ugly monster thing. They can pull it off. Since it's the opposite of the idolized human/elven beauty standards, adopting it as a standard of beauty helps separate them and build self-esteem. Not to mention that they seem to have inherited ghetto culture. "room for a litter" and whatnot. I totally want to play a fat orc now. Mama Gitka, I'll call her....

Posted by: paws2sky Jun 3 2008, 01:13 PM

From what I've heard, the new way to show you have money is to have several kids, like 3, at a minimum. I never started noticing it until it was pointed out, but...

I've seen this in action in the suburban neighborhood where my son's daycare provider lives. Lots of big houses, stay at home mothers, and lots of kids. All the older kids seem to come in 2's, while the younger mothers seem to be popping out the kids like crazy. Purely anecdotal, I know, but still...

-paws

Posted by: cndblank Jun 3 2008, 01:26 PM

Poor and thin is more an undeveloped/third world situation.

In the developed countries, there are lots of (relatively) cheap processed foods, so fatness can be a sign of being poor.

Cheap food isn't very healthy and has a lot of carbs and fat (which are cheap).

Think snack foods, fast foods, pasta, peanut butter, and the like. Cheap alcohol does the same thing.

Same goes for someone who doesn't get good exercise (be it Trivid, chipping, or playing some matrix game).

As pointed out, soy food may have changed that some but...

Posted by: Ed_209a Jun 3 2008, 01:31 PM

I think hackers and riggers can get away with being fat, but the ones who have to go inside the building have to be fit to survive. I think Agility and Reaction would be a good indicator of this.

Posted by: Larme Jun 3 2008, 01:38 PM

Oi, leave Tyrone alone, he can move when he has to!

Posted by: Zen Shooter01 Jun 3 2008, 02:04 PM

High physical scores are common with many shadowrunners, which contraindicates obesity.

It's not directly addressed in canon, but one might suppose that in the technologically advanced setting, affordable and effective weight loss treatments are available over the counter.

Shadowrunners aren't poor, and this contraindicates obesity. I'm going to start another thread on this topic of shadowrunner economics.

Posted by: Fuchs Jun 3 2008, 02:15 PM

Dietware bioware. Canon.

Posted by: Kerris Jun 3 2008, 02:18 PM

It was a funny angle.

But yeah, I could see some slightly overweight runners of any variety. And depending on the quality of their 'ware, they could likely weigh even more because of it. Also, it's been my experience that soy is a huge joke in many games...

"soyfles"
"soysage"
"soyrup"
"soyflakes"
"soyburger"
"soydog"

I've heard all of these in my sessions. Also, isn't there something about soy making women go all crazy-like... maybe it doesn't mix well with estrogen, or maybe it increases estrogen production or something?

Posted by: Larme Jun 3 2008, 02:33 PM

Mais non. Though fat people are usually unfit, they are not always. Case in point: sumo wrestlers. Those guys are athletes, they train their bodies full time. Also, as has been mentioned, strongmen can be very fat, while also being able to break you in half. Fatness and fitness are not mutually exclusive. It just happens that most fat people are not fit. But someone can easily have a high body and strength while being fat. You can exercise plenty, as long as you also eat a ton you will be fat without being terribly unhealthy. It might not make much sense for fat guys to have high agility, but strength and body are no problem. You'd think that high body = high health = not fat. But the idea that thin = healthy and fat = unhealthy is flat out wrong, so that doesn't hold up. In most cases it does, but it's not a law of nature.

Posted by: Shiloh Jun 3 2008, 03:04 PM

Define fit.

Usually, fit means has good aerobic endurance. Most sumotori probably couldn't maintain a run for more than a minute, even if they're lightning fast in the dojo's ring and could snap you like a twig.

When you're training a lot aerobically, it's difficult to stay fat. You can stay slightly porky (look at international Rugby front row players - they're *pretty* fit, and some are mighty strong, but their lighter packmates keep going for longer (it's not unusual to have the entire front row replaced for the last quarter of the game) and get through more work, usually, and the really fat prop is less common these days at top level where endurance is more important.

Edit: Sumotori don't do any aerobic training, once they're past young apprentice level. They train in strength, then they rest. They sleep as much as cats do, or so the mythology says... endedit.

There will always be exceptions, but a fit fat man is very rare indeed, and wouldn't have the aerobic endurance of a fit lean person. Drop 'em in a survival environment and the advantage changes hands...

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 3 2008, 04:06 PM

...until the fat man deals with starvation better due to his stores of fat.

Posted by: vladski Jun 3 2008, 04:24 PM

I don't disagree that a truly fat person typically has less aerobic stamina, but there are TONS (pardon the pun) of exceptions. Just look at American/Canadian football players (not soccer), especially the front linemen. There you have huge guys, often packing probably a good 60-100 pounds of fat on over their muscle. And believe me, these guys have a lot of stamina and can definitely run. They spend tremendous amounts of time practicing on the field and during their down time doing strength training (and eating). There's no two ways around it, a big street sammy can certainly be packing quite a few pounds of fat.

Vlad

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 3 2008, 04:30 PM

Well, I'm honored. And that would indeed be the ideal SR scenario.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 3 2008, 04:42 PM

Women are already crazy, the soy wouldn't seriously bother them.

However, soy is a great source of phyto-aestrogen, basically a plant analog to estrogen. It's more of a problem with men, especially boys, since estrogen is a female sex hormone. Too much estrogen for young boys and pregnant women may (studies are still inconclusive) lead to a reduction in the boys particularly manly assets, and may also lead to an earlier onset of puberty for young girls.


I've played several fat shadowrunners. Generally though, I assume that Body, Strength and Quickness indicate whether a guy is buff or just fat. Deckers, riggers and, perhaps surprisingly, mages, are more likely to be a li'l chubby. That said, as runners get out of the streets and acquire karma, I rarely see any with a Body score of less than 3, and therefore I assume most people have run off that chub.

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 3 2008, 06:29 PM

OK, see, If I saw a character with high body, and low agility and strength, I'd think "Fat".

Posted by: Drogos Jun 3 2008, 06:57 PM

:pointsup: Me too

Posted by: Chrysalis Jun 3 2008, 07:04 PM

How about a dwarf or troll?

Posted by: Ed_209a Jun 3 2008, 09:06 PM

High/low for the metatype. Whether they put 1, 3, 5 or whatever in their stat before the metatype adjustments.

A BOD 6/STR 6 Troll is just as much of a wimp as a BOD 1/STR 1 Human.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 3 2008, 09:20 PM

Body is the default for athletics. You can't very well run the mile when you're 200lbs. overweight. Now that isn't saying you're not BIG, but a high body indicates you have toned muscles and your cardiovascular system is in reasonably good shape.

Posted by: hyzmarca Jun 3 2008, 10:32 PM

http://holychampion1.deviantart.com/art/Fat-Samurai-52382934

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 3 2008, 10:38 PM

Linked stat for climbing, running, swimming: strength.
Linked stat for gymnastics: agilty.
Skills which link to body: diving, parachuting for some ungodly reason.

Or are you using sr3, nez? I don't have that book anymore.

Posted by: Larme Jun 4 2008, 01:18 AM

Shadowrun stats are pretty abstract. Body represents two things that aren't related: your general health, and your ability to survive damage. Someone could be healthy without being tough, and someone could be tough without being that healthy. A high Body could be explained either way, yet system-wise, your high Body stat would say that you're both. Sometimes you just have to ignore the system so that it lets you play the character you want. I'm not going to let one number on a sheet tell me "if you are healthy, you must also be big and tough." I'll play it how I want, because the numbers can't push me around when it comes to roleplaying. Obviously they set limits, but when they're arbitrary limits on how you can merely describe yourself, they're out the window.

Posted by: kanislatrans Jun 4 2008, 01:59 AM

I remember reading something about modified tapeworms somewhere. ( but then I may have imagined that as I have quit smoking and can't really think too clearly yet )

If I didn't imagine it I think it would be pretty common. just implant the parasite and pig out . let the bug eat all the extra stuff.

Hey, wait a minute... I have just figured out the teams next run....

Oh yes, my pretties...kill my cockroach shaman in two passes will you? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHA!!!!!HA!!

*kanis runs off to google land to see if tapeworms can be worked like insect spirits *

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 4 2008, 02:42 AM

Body is also applied as a negative dice pool modifier to avoid setting off pressure pads. this implies it has something to do with weight. It is also the stat that determines if you are "large" or 'huge" for being shot at purposes. This implies it has something to do with size, though it is odd because that means I can have a "large" dwarf.

Posted by: CanRay Jun 4 2008, 02:45 AM

A 'Runner's weight probably shifts with his fortunes. After a big run, and lots of partying, there'll be a bit of weight gain, followed by weight loss after a few missed meals and lean times.

Posted by: Sweaty Hippo Jun 4 2008, 02:46 AM

For the guys who think that fat= high body, you would have obese people being able to soak up bullets better than scrawny guys. However, I don't think that either would be good at resisting pain from bullets breaking the skin.

Posted by: hyzmarca Jun 4 2008, 03:05 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nanLTLUn3XE

Posted by: shuya Jun 4 2008, 05:02 AM

you are clearly not a compulsive food label reader. they put that crap in everything already.


non-fermented soy products are actually pretty bad for people. phytic acid, phytoestrogens, non-absorbable b12 analogs, trypsin inhibitors, etc... which makes sense why it would be in everything in a dystopian future. it's just the end result of the consumer "race to the bottom" that is poisoning both people and the planet today. soy is the new fluoride.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 4 2008, 01:37 PM

Ah, you clearly play SR1! Good fellow.

(Yes, I play SR3, the one, true game, disregarding the two preceding it.)

Posted by: PlatonicPimp Jun 4 2008, 02:03 PM

I DO still have my sr1 book.

Ah, defaulting tree, how I miss you.

Posted by: paws2sky Jun 4 2008, 02:09 PM

I dug my SR1 book out a month or so ago to mine it for ideas. Its not holding up well to the new-found use though.

The less said about the skill web, the better.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 4 2008, 04:35 PM

Something fans of SR3 and SR4 can agree on - SR1, for all of its flaws, was a beautiful game... *sniff*

Posted by: paws2sky Jun 4 2008, 04:41 PM

It definitely tops my list of games that have lots of soul (or heart or whatever you prefer to call it). I still remember cracking open the book for the first time in my friend's living room. We poured over it all afternoon.

(I remember I has a similar experience with that friend and the original Rifts rulebook too. Something about magic and high-tech is extremely appealing to me.)

-paws

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 4 2008, 04:47 PM

I think I saw him at McDonalds the other day...

Posted by: WhiteWolf Jun 4 2008, 09:57 PM

Oh crap! I just about lost it on that one.

Posted by: Screamin Demon Jun 4 2008, 10:00 PM

What are you talking about? I got myself a dunlapin' gut and I'm broke as fuck. Low fat healthy food is way more expensive for it's measely caloric value then fatty ground chuck or a bag full of double cheeseburgers from McDonalds...

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 4 2008, 10:07 PM

It was a sign of wealth historically.

Posted by: Screamin Demon Jun 4 2008, 10:18 PM

But definitely not presently or futuristically (The latter being the accepted temporal connotations on this thread, I believe).
These days (And I presume futuristically) its in your choice of dress and what kind of car you drive. Being a fatty would count against you. Can't afford a personal trainer or lypo?

Posted by: Blade Jun 5 2008, 08:54 AM

Actually in SR4 fluff it's commonly said that there are people in the Barrens who are dying from hunger, not malnutrition, hunger. Besides, in a world where most people eat soy (which I don't think is very fattening), being slightly fat (in a healthy way. There's a world between a healthy fat and obese) could be a way to show that you eat real meat.

Posted by: Fuchs Jun 5 2008, 09:03 AM

I doubt it. With body modification and cosmetic surgery, rich people have the exact body they want, no matter what they eat or how they live.

Posted by: Screamin Demon Jun 5 2008, 10:49 AM

I imagine in a world where sensation can be altered for the right cost many people would starve to death chasing chip induced imaginings over filling their stomachs (Remember the lab monkey with the two buttons, anyone?). Or certain particularly weak/disadvantaged people so deep in the barrens and so brutalized by gangs that the have nothing, and no place to go to get anything. I doubt either of these people (Especially the latter) is a particularly common sight to the more privileged citizens who have the luxury of choosing form over function. Thus form would be most likely ruled by what it is today: the commercial media.
Check out 'Biosculpting Social Effects' in Augmentation pg 61
Or if too many words frighten and confuse you, try look the picture on page 51. Good example of the body image commercial media is pushing in 2070.

Posted by: IQ Zero Jun 5 2008, 11:12 AM

The odds are that the rich would have very good bodies (however they define good). On the other hand, the average SINless character would odds are be suffering from some level of malnutrition. Remember, soy, while filling, isn't all that fattening and unless they pop a lot of vitamin pills, those who consume mostly soy would be close to malnutrition (though they probably don't feel the hunger as much).

However, most runners do indulge in physical activities, so the chances are that those that thrive in this lifestyle will be fairly fit.

Posted by: Wakshaani Jun 5 2008, 12:36 PM

I see your post and I raise you one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlytmtStpdg

Posted by: DV8 Jun 5 2008, 01:01 PM

Two words; Thomas Roxborough.

Posted by: Wesley Street Jun 5 2008, 01:41 PM

I'd imagine that average residents of the Barrens would range from stick thin from lack of food to fat from eating leftover fast food found in a dumpster. I think it would make for a fascinating sociological exercise to take a group of people, place them in a city with finite boundaries that they cannot cross, and see how they survive. I don't imagine shelter or even water would be an issue as you could find an empty building and siphon off a fresh water main. But finding a source of healthy protein and vitamins would be the real trick. There has to be some sort of non-toxic wildlife roaming about that could serve as a source of food (or people grow beans and rice on makeshift plots) else everyone in the Barrens would be dead in under a decade.

Posted by: CanRay Jun 5 2008, 01:44 PM

I have a question... Was this thread started so that us out-of-shape Gamers could feel comfortable LARPing Shadowrun?

Posted by: Wesley Street Jun 5 2008, 01:46 PM

I'm going to start hawking my Sugar Busters/high-protein diet plan at GenCon.

Posted by: Blade Jun 5 2008, 01:54 PM

Some books mentioned people eating rats, cats and bugs. They also talk about armored food convoy going through the Barrens. I guess that once in a while some go-gang hit one of them and give it or barter it to people in the Barrens.

Posted by: CanRay Jun 5 2008, 01:55 PM

In a different Cyberpunk game, my group was able to pay for a Safehouse by stealing a truck full of Soymilk.

As I'm Lactose Intolerant, I was able to provide a sample of what we stole.

Posted by: Sir_Psycho Jun 5 2008, 02:43 PM

Most of my deckers and riggers end up pretty thin, basically because their Sim VR addictions preclude stuffing themselves with snacks.

I have no problem with physical characters like Sams having a bit of flab to grab. Look at De Niro's character in Ronin, he had a few love handles, if I remember correctly, and he's the epitomy of kick-arse shadowrunner to me.

Posted by: hyzmarca Jun 5 2008, 02:53 PM

Did he fight Kenshiro?

Posted by: Wesley Street Jun 5 2008, 03:51 PM

As long as you can think and react quickly being built like Bruce Lee isn't a necessary requirement for being a successful shadowrunner.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 5 2008, 04:25 PM

Over THE GREAT NEW ONE DOLLAR DOUBLE CHEESBURGER!

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 5 2008, 04:26 PM

Well, it's been called "nutrisoy" in the texts, so I assume it's soy protein with a bunch of vitamins and minerals added in.

Posted by: Jackstand Jun 5 2008, 08:38 PM

Either that or it's tofu that failed quality control with good branding. The crud means vitamins!

Of course, I'm sure that there's higher quality stuff available for the more privelaged, too.

Posted by: nezumi Jun 7 2008, 11:28 AM

I think that such assumption is dangerous, considering the setting you're talking about. I would not assume it is either nutricious or soy.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jun 8 2008, 05:11 AM

You're suggesting it's actually soylent green or something?

Posted by: nezumi Jun 8 2008, 10:59 AM

No (although that would be a fun storyline). But I wouldn't be surprised if a chemical analysis came back with mycoproteins, krill, plastics, devil rat or any number of other cheap substances, and the name 'nutrisoy' is slapped on it just because nutrisoy has historically sold better than 'nutrirat'.

Posted by: CanRay Jun 8 2008, 11:50 AM

"Nutrirat" is a new produce from Orxploto Farms, made from the finest and oldest traditional ork and troll recipies, using twelve herbs and spices to provide flavour and nutrition to the finest farm-raised rats you can find on the market!

"Nutrirat, at least we're honest about where the meat comes from!"

Posted by: IQ Zero Jun 10 2008, 12:33 AM

Initially, so did I, then when I really read about soy (my ex-gf was a vegan), and then tried a suggested vegeburger recipe, I realized that while you can flavor it to a faretheewell, and it will keep you full, it is just basically soy with flavorings and flour to keep its shape. i.e. no real nutritional value.

Yum yum.