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Posted by: Degausser Mar 16 2009, 03:45 AM

So, I had an idea to have some people in the shadowrunning community selling specially modded guns. Often, Shadowrunners need stuff that's not on the market, so having SOTA guns that have special mods are great. Post any you've made/want to make along with the asking price, who makes it, and how to contact him. If you have the Arsenal book, use that.

Example:

The Kicker
Base Gun: Ruger Thunderbolt (BF, 5P, AP-1, 12 Rnds, RC 2)
Factory Add-ons: Internal Smartlink, Reduced Recoil 2 (counted)
Customization: Extended clip (15 rnds now), Firing Mode Alteration (SA), Electronic Firing (RC 1), Chameleon Coating
Asking price: 5000
Buy from: John Du. Du is a gunslinging adept and retired Shadowrunner of some renown. After a major run, he retired and persued his passion for building and modding firearms. While he will mod almost any firearm with any mod someone wants (he has his own gun facility,) his best seller is what he has dubbed "The Kicker." These Ruger Thunderbolts have no barrel markings (as he forges his own barrels) and are upgraded to be better concealed, suffer less recoil, and hold more ammo. Best of all, he has removed the distinctive sound these guns make, and modified their appearance to draw slightly less attention.

Posted by: kzt Mar 16 2009, 04:53 AM

I've never felt the urge to customize a SR gun, and I don't think anyone I've played with has either. We pretty exclusively used P4s and alphas, and just replaced them when needed. We had one or two crazies who carried warhawks.

Posted by: Maelstrome Mar 16 2009, 05:13 AM

these guns dont follow the build rules

insanity 6 shot revolver
custom awakened metal ammunition 20 nuyen per bullet counts as armor piercing.
semi automatic
damage 14d
price 10k
from maelstrome if in the ijin incident campaign otherwise up to the gm.

ijin special
10 shot pistol
ammo is the same as insanity
semi auto
18d
take it from maelstrom i dare you

over clock
laser pistol
semiauto 12s-27s
15 shot battery
additional ammo per shot can be added for further damage.


consternation

giant cross shaped heavy machine gun hyper velocity base damage 12d took no recoil. had 90 shots.
excellent scare the crap out of people gun
used only once by requiem in a one shot school game

broken butterfly
6 shot revolver semi auto 9d

ive probably made more but those were my favorites.

Posted by: Neraph Mar 16 2009, 06:16 PM

Those look like they're from 3E, and it would appear that this thread is for 4E.

As for my 2 , I present the Paladin:
Base Gun: Ares Crusader (5P; AP 0; SA/BF/FA; RC 3; 40x2©)
Factory Add-ons: Extended Clip and Gas-Vent 2.
Customization: Upgrade to Gas-Vent 3 (done at factory instead of G-V2), Electronic Firing, Additional Clip, Firing Mode Selection (Full Auto), Laser Sight.
Asking price: 3,200
Buy from: Jacob Fulke, a German-descended gun-nut that runs a small factory in an abandonded warehouse located in one of the worst Z-zones of Seattle. His greatest success story is how his factory-defense systems (produced by himself) have made his warehouse the safest place in Z-z Alpha. The Paladin is his pride and joy, providing the quality of an assault rifle or LMG with the efficient design of a machine pistol.

Designed to be fired with APDS/Tracer rounds, he manufactures clips of those as well, using his signature silver tracers to compliment the viridian laser built into the weapon's barrel. (cost per clip: 585 )

EDIT: Added weapon stats...

Posted by: crash2029 Mar 17 2009, 12:44 AM

The Chicago Typewriter

Base Weapon: Beretta Model 70 (5P/0AP/BF-FA/RC0/Ammo 35c)
Standard Upgrades: laser sight-top mount, supressor-barrel mount
Custom Upgrades:
-custom look 1 +1 die to intimidation/recognition 1 slot 100
-drum magazine 2 slots 1000
-smartgun system 1 slot 650 (weapon cost)
-foregrip RC1 for full bursts 1 slot 50
-skinlink 1 slot 50
Asking Price: 2500
Buy From: J. B. Dix, a fourth-generation master gunsmith with a taste for noir. J. B. can be found at his shop on 12th street in (city). While J. B. has a legal firearm sales/modification business, he is known to do work for Shadowrunners mostly because they bring him very interesting design challenges. His showpiece is the Chicago Typewriter, a Beretta Model 70 modified to look like a 1928 Thompson. While the weapon looks like an antiquated museum piece on the outside, internally it is completely modern in operation, even going so far as to integrate a skinlinked smartgun system.

Final Statistics
Damage: 5P AP: 0 Mode: BF/FA RC: 0 (1) Ammo: 50d

Posted by: Heath Robinson Mar 17 2009, 08:21 AM

>>> Sounds like a model name. You sure this is the right place for this? <<<
- AJX, 4 Karma, 1 Metakarma

>>> Some guy out around LA is making a bunch of these and selling them on. Does custom orders if you can't find one with the options you want, but it might take some time to get to you. <<<
- Cobra Johnson, 87 Karma, 59 Metakarma, 3 Hyperkarma, 1 Shiftkarma

>>> Wtf?! People charge 1 700 for this PoS? I can make one for less than half that! <<<
- WEx, Banned

>>> Wtf?! WEx was banned after 300 posts? I can get banned in less than half that! <<<
- Anonymous Coward, Banned

>>> Sorry for that, gentlemen. It appears our flaming torch mechanisms have failed. Please ignore the wildlife, we'll be doing our best to keep it out. <<
- MoXt, Moderator

Posted by: GreyBrother Mar 17 2009, 08:53 AM

I once modified the Barrett Sniper Rifle with Full Auto, Extended Clip and Stuff, so my sniper could carry around the equivalent to an HMG.
Just to keep sure those darn devilrats away...

Posted by: crash2029 Mar 18 2009, 02:13 AM

I like it. I think I need one for "home defense."

Posted by: Tyro Mar 18 2009, 02:38 AM

More like vermin control =^_^=

Posted by: Degausser Mar 18 2009, 05:21 AM

You mean, something along the lines of:

Base Weapon: Ares Desert Strike (8P -3AP, 14rnd)
Factory Add-Ons: Smartlink(Top Mount), Rigid Stock (1 RC)(Standard), Bipod, Gas Vent 3
Mods: Extended Clip 1 (18 Rnds), Personalized Grip, Firing Selection (FA)
(Total RC 5 (7 w/Bipod))
Price to build: 10200
Price to buy (ready made, on the black market)15300

Not a Barrett, and it lacks the ammo of an HMG, but I thought I did pretty well. I kinda cheated, as it has far more accessories than a normal weapon should be able to carry, but I ran under the assumption that Factory Add-ons don't count against the total number of mods, and besides, each AREA still only has one accesory. One top (smart), 1 Stock, 1 Under (Bipod) 1 Barrel (Gas Vent), One Grip (Personalized), 1 clip (extended) and 1 internal (Firing Selection) Plus, everything is under 12 availability, so you can buy this thing at Char creation.

Posted by: Degausser Mar 18 2009, 08:15 AM

((OOC, I like the Shadowsea idea for posting these Stats, also, technically not a gun.))

>>>Tired of running around in that GMC Bulldog that just ain't cutting it for hauling your Troll with a Vulcan Cannon? Well, friend of mine down in Free Cali makes these, calls them the 'Shadowrunner Special.' Gets a standard city bus, (usually second hand for that authentic 'grungy' feeling) and overhauls everything in it. He does a complete rework of the engine, adds some concealed armor, and modifies it for Gridlink Override and rigging. He takes out half the back seats and installs a flip-up hatch on the rear end, to accomidate easy loading, as well as that drone rack. Also has a few gun ports to shoot out of if you ever run into trouble. He does custom orders if you need them, such as smuggling compartments or suspention modification. Lastly, he does a one-way tint of the windows so no one can see in (duh).If you ever need a cost-effective way to haul a tonne of gear, this is the rig to buy. This thing is as close to a Citymaster as we can get without drawing attention to ourselves.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, Karma 50, 98%positive.

>>>Yeah, I heard about this guy, pretty positive things. He'll deliver anywhere in North America for free, but for overseas you are going to have to pay for it to be shipped via freightliner, which is costly. Also, his crew will paint it up to look like a bus from the town where you operate.<<<
-Posted by Clockwork, Karma 70, 75% positive

>>>Word of warning to all of you, he doesn't install any turrets . . . at all. He has no way to smuggle turreted vehicles across NAN/CAS/UCAS boarders, so he won't do it. He's god with smuggling compartments though. Crew I've worked with a few times uses one that's made up to look like a greyhound bus. Thing handles like . . . well like a city bus, so don't go chasing down sports cars with it. I've actually seen it in a fight though, and it's got a surprising amount of pep. Plus the armor and the gun ports help to win fights.<<<
-ElvenSmuggler999, Karma 25, 96% positive

>>>DAMN, look at that price tag. I'm guessing this is NOT the rig for beginning runners.<<<
-Vrek, Karma 3, 66% positive
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Posted by: crash2029 Mar 18 2009, 11:31 AM

Didn't the A-Team build that once or twice?

EDIT: fixed the quote

Posted by: Neraph Mar 18 2009, 04:58 PM

Why not use Turbocharged instead of Engine Mod (Acceleration)? Turbocharged gives you a greater yield 99% of the time (and it's cheaper, and less slots I think).

Posted by: crizh Mar 18 2009, 05:48 PM

If you're going to start posting vehicles..

This one evolved from a Connestoga Vista a bit like the one above.

Posted by: Degausser Mar 19 2009, 04:56 AM

>>>Yeah, some runners have asked about smuggling vehicles better than the Shadowrun Special (the city bus) and I remembered an old contact of mine out of Denver, named Two-Tone Tony. He used to be a smuggler himself, but when Ghostwalker showed up, he got spooked and left the biz . . . can't say I blame him though. Anywho, he made a lot of mechanic contacts during his smuggling days, and started up a chop-shop with them. Now he makes smuggling cars that look like those stupid Street racing hot rods all the Corp Brat kids use. His smuggling compartments are top-Notch, and the car has enough horsepower to outrun most anything on the road. Plus it's got EM shielding, a way to get rid of any unwanted RFID tags, and a morphing paint job so it's hard to ID your car. Can't smuggle too much, but it is perfect for drugrunning or smuggling small arms.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50 Karma, 98% Good

>>>I'm saving up for one myself. Everyman's right, it is low on cargo space, but it handles pretty well, and the morphing paint job makes sure that your car is always inconspicuous.<<<
-Posted by ElvenSmuggler999, 25 Karma, 96% good.

>>>Yeah, he keeps the base sensor package and pilotbrain though. You'll want to upgrade them, as the base systems, they suck!<<<
-DeeRigger256, 20Karma, 50% good.

>>>Technically true. Two-Tone Tony is of the school of thought that you should be driving your car at all times, and hates leaving things to the pilotbrain. Anyway, if you want to drive your car, this guy is for you. You may want to invest (or ask Tony for a custom order) if you like leaving things to the computer.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50 Karma, 98% Good

Posted by: Heath Robinson Mar 19 2009, 05:21 AM

Crizh, you needn't purchase the Drum Clip or Extra Clip for those AKs. They get access to a 250 round bin as part of being mounted on a Vehicle.

Posted by: Tyro Mar 19 2009, 05:41 AM

A couple I built for myself, the first to address the lack of an LMG made specifically for drones, the second for more versatility with grenades. I cheated in three ways: I paid base cost (not aftermarket) for the internal smartlink on the LMG (since it's part of the design), I changed the grenade launcher to cylinder loading, and I didn't pay for electronic firing or trigger removal for the grenade launcher (again, part of the design). I did use slots for design features, mostly to make it more palatable to GM's. Just pretend they have fewer available slots because of their compact nature, or just give them full available slots as unmodified weapons.

Drone LMG (Based on Ares MP-LMG):
Comes with integral gas vent 2, trigger removal, electronic
firing, a top-mounted smartgun system, and an underbarrel grenade
launcher with airburst link. The grenade launcher feeds one at a
time from a large magazine, so grenade type can be selected on a
case-by-case basis. Designed for drones, so electronic firing and
trigger removal are standard and do not cost extra.

6P Damage
-1 AP
BF/FA
3 RC (gas vent + electronic firing)
Belt

Weapon Cost:
+1500 (base)
+0400 (smartgun system, internal - HOUSERULE)

=1900 for basic model
+0850
=2750 with "Skipper" underbarrel grenade launcher
+0500
=3250 with airburst link for "Skipper"


Slots:

+6 slots (base)
-2 (Electronic Firing)

=4
-1 (Internal smartgun system)

=3 slots left in the basic model, OR:

+3 (basic model)
-2 (high velocity)

=1 slot left in the high-velocity model

"Skipper" Underbarrel Grenade Launcher (Based on Ares Antioch-2):

The Skipper, due to its unique cylinder design and ammo-skip system,
allows Shadowrunners with smartlinks to avoid unnecessary fumbling
in order to find the right grenade for a given situation. Comes with
an integral smartlink and optional airburst link (+500). The Skipper
is specifically designed as an underbarrel smartweapon; treat it as
having the electronic firing and trigger removal mods. It doesn't
have a handle, so you'd have to retrofit it if you wanted to use it
alone.

Damage as grenade
SS
1 RC
8 (cy)
8F

+600 (base)
+250 (ammo skip system)

=850 (basic model)

+500 (optional airburst link)

=1350 (with airburst link)


Slots:
+6 (base)
-1 (Ammo skip system)

=5

Posted by: Neraph Mar 19 2009, 05:45 AM

Actually...

Posted by: Degausser Mar 23 2009, 10:59 AM

(OOC) back to guns

>>>Another gun specialty from John Du, this is a standard Warhawk that has been re-tooled to allow for a Rate of Fire that is about twice as fast. This thing still packs all the kick of the standard factory model, so look out. John Du loves these guys, but because of the low demand for them, you have to meet him in person for each one. But he also throws in a custom grip for each "Ultra" Warhawk that he sells. I know a Troll buddy of mine who took his warhawk in to be done, and the guy couldn't be happier. Professional quality work, if you are looking for some extra edge out of the most powerful pistol on the market.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50 Karma, 98% positive

>>>Yeah, I am said troll. This gun is great, and I like to stuff Gel rounds into it, easiest way to take down a target. I've knocked out other trolls, various paracritters, and everything in-between with this gun. Just remember, it's still a big, powerful revolver, so there is no way to silence it. Also, it still only holds six rounds.<<<
-Posted by TrollTracker9000, 30 Karma, 96% positive

>>>Damn, this is a RIP OFF! An extra 4k just to make the gun fire a bit faster. Biggest waste of cash I've seen in my life. Drekker is a CON ARTIST, don't touch this drek!<<<
-Posted by Vrek, 4 Karma, 50% positive.

>>>Vrek . . . Omae . . . how much do you actually know about guns? Do us all a favor and do some research before berating other posters. Don't make me regret giving you a jackpoint account.<<<
-Posted by Fastjack, Moderator

Posted by: Tyro Mar 23 2009, 05:47 PM

What do you people think of my LMG and Skipper? They're my first, so I'd love feedback.

Posted by: Degausser Mar 23 2009, 06:08 PM

I don't ever remember seeing a Gas Vent 5 in any of the books, and you used a house rule, which is kind of a no-no on the forums. But it does look like a nice gun to attach to a turret or your LMG.

Anyaway, according to the books, drones do not suffer from recoil, so you don't need that anyway (although I think that is a stupid rule, it is the RAW)

Posted by: Tyro Mar 23 2009, 08:33 PM

First, the gas vent 5 was a typo. Fixed.

Second, there's an optional rule which instead gives drones their Body in RC (to cut down on abuse). The gas vent is there for use of that rule. See "Vehicle Weapons and Recoil", Arsenal 105.

Posted by: suppenhuhn Mar 23 2009, 11:30 PM

SAN Tourbillon (SA/BF, 4P, 8 (cyl), RC 2)

Base Gun: Colt ASP (SA, 4P, 6 (cyl))
Factory Addons: Smartgun
Customization: Adv Safety (Electro Shocker), Ammo Skip System, Custom Look (Level 2), Electronic Firing, Firing Selection Change (BF), Increased Cylinder, Personalized Grip
Asking price: 50000+

This Swiss piece d'art is the first choice of simstars and executives alike when it comes to personal defense weapons.
Forged from a single block of Titanium, coated in 24K gold it features sights made of 10 carat diamonds and a personalized grip made to your specifications, each piece a unique handmade gem exemplary for Swiss craftsmanship.
There's no better way to say "I care for you" then with a Tourbillon.
Visit your local jeweller for exhibits or contact us directly at tourbillon@san.sk.de.

Posted by: Degausser Mar 24 2009, 01:34 AM

ROFL. Brilliant, turning the most POS light pistol in the game into the symbol of the super rich. I think though that it is over modified. . . which is fine considering it's asking price is so high that it easily encompasses paying double for the extranious modifications.

Posted by: Degausser Mar 24 2009, 07:38 AM

New Gun

>>>Don't know who makes these but whoever does is GOOD. Somehow manages to shorten the barrel of the Elan while still making it shoot straight. Anayway, these things are about as undetectable as you can get. Rediculusly small and hard to find, they are a solid 5 shot hold out pistol. Don't be expecting to drop any street sams with it, but I've smuggled them on airplanes and through many a security checkpoint. If you wanna buy one, I can set you up with the maker's faceman, an elf by the name of Silky Jones. Best when paired with a concealed holster.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50 Karma, 98% positive

>>>Damn, I need to get me one of those. I hate going into meets with Johnsons unarmed, but I also don't want them finding any concealed weapons. Yeah, it has crap for range, but some Image magnification can take care of that . . . plus you'll be point blank anyway when firing it. Everyman, hook me up with this 'Silky Jones'<<<
-Posted by Short-but-comely, 17 Karma, 100% positive

>>>Check your Private Messages<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50 Karma, 98% positive.

>>>Much appreciated, Everyman. I'll return the favor ASAP.<<<
-Posted by Short-but-Comely, 17 Karma, 100% positive

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Mar 29 2009, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Mar 18 2009, 11:21 PM)
Crizh, you needn't purchase the Drum Clip or Extra Clip for those AKs. They get access to a 250 round bin as part of being mounted on a Vehicle.

Actually...


QUOTE (Arsenal, page 147, under Weapon Mount: Size, first paragraph)
Each weapon mount can also hold up to 250 rounds of ammunition, if the weapon has a beltfeeding mechanism. Weapons with other loading mechanisms or larger ammunition (rocket launchers, for example) are restricted to their standard ammount of ammunition.


DITTO...

Posted by: Degausser Mar 29 2009, 09:46 PM

>>>I find this gun to be utterly rediculus, but other runners have found a use for it. A Japanese friend of mine is a gun nut and works for Nitama. Whenever they throw out misshapen or defective frames for their super-security pistol (The NeMax, that gun with safe target and biometric security), he grabs them from the discard bin and takes them home. He repairs the frame, then builds a gun into it. It's just the fame so it doesn't include the targeting or biometric security systems, but he does make sure to make the gun smart. Then he (get this) replaces the magazine feed with a drum from a low-end SMG. Thing has a poor weight balance, but it is a heavy pistol that holds 50 rounds, if that's what you are looking for. <<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50 Karma, 98% positive.

>>>Yeah, I have one. Balance on the thing is piss-poor, so don't try to do target shooting with it. But it is fairly reliable. At least, I've never had a breakdown. And don't worry about the fact that they guy uses defective frames . . . he repairs them up real nice. Its amazing what the corps just throw away.<<<
-Posted by SylphSmith, 17 Karma 100% positive.

>>>Hey, Everyman, hook me up with one of those, please. I've got the nuyen<<<
-Posted by Vrek, 4 Karma, 50% positive.

>>>Cost is 2000, plus my modest handling fee. Gimmie about two weeks to get one, then we can discuss the drop off.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 50Karma, 98% positive

Posted by: Degausser Apr 4 2009, 09:46 AM

>>>Guy I run with made this for a run recently, and it worked out so well that he asked me to post it here, as he is willing to make more for runners in need. Basically we needed to snipe a guy, and we weren't about to walk around in broad daylight with a hunting rifle strapped to our backs. Our ork is a pretty big, so he bought a long coat and figured he could get away with stashing an SMG under it. So, he buys a 227-X, extends the barrel for better range, wraps the thing in a shroud to prevent detection, then goes crazy and adds an electronic fire system, which both reduces recoil and noise. A detachable scope on top is for sniping. If you want better scopes, he is willing to find them . . . for a fee. Hit went bad (bad intel), so our ork starts using this in the resulting firefight, and it holds up surprisingly well. Call me if interested.<<<
-posted by Everyman, 52 Karma, 94.2% positive

>>>Huh, a sniping SMG? I have to admit, it sounds crazy, but it also just might work. Why did you choose the base gun as a 227-X, they aren't exactly known for good Recoil Comp.<<<
-Posted by ElSamurai, 12 Karma, 91.7% positive

>>>I don't know exactly, but our Ork knows his stuff, so I doubt the choice was random. I know he was considering using the Praetor, but decided against it. I think the big deciding factor was time. The 227-X comes with a built in sound suppressor AND smartlink, whereas the praetor has none of these. I guess he figured it was faster to install electronic firing than a smartlink and internal suppressor. Plus, as a sniping SMG, you should only be firing one bullet anyway.<<<
-posted by Everyman, 52 Karma, 94.2% positive.

>>>Yeah, okay, that makes sense. I think our team sniper might like one. I owe him a few favors, and a new gun might just fit the bill. Let me scrounge up some cash and I'll give you a note.<<<
-Posted by ElSamurai, 12 Karma 91.7% positive.

Posted by: AllTheNothing Apr 4 2009, 04:11 PM

@Degausser:
The Morrissey Èlan doesn't come with an internal smartgun system.

My version is with internal siselcer and elettronic firing:
Base Pistol: Modification slots aviable: 6, Aviability: 7R, Cost 450
Elettronic Firing(MAD proof): Slots used: 2, Aviability: 20F, Cost: 6'000
Internal Siselcer: Slots used(MAD proof): Slots used: 2, Aviability: 20F, Cost: 2'400
TOTAL: Modification slots left: 2, Aviability: 20F, Cost 8'850

DeLux Model:
Smartgun System(MAD proof): Slots used: 1, Aviability: 20F, Cost: 2'700
Skinlink(MAD proof): Slots used: 1, Aviability: 20F, Cost: 300
TOTAL: Modification slots left: 0, Aviability: 20F, Cost 11'850

Posted by: Degausser Apr 4 2009, 07:48 PM

I know it doesn't come with one standard, but it was my understanding that you could order 'Smart' versions of any gun direct from the manufacturer by paying double if they didn't come with smartlink standard.



>>>Another invention of Silky Jones's enigmatic friend, this gun has been dubbed the 'assasin's friend.' Y'know how in all the trid shows, when firing a silenced gun, you hear that 'mouse fart' noise? Y'know how REAL silenced guns are much louder? Well, this gun ACTUALLY makes that noise. Fitted with an internal silencer, and an electronic firing suite, when this gun is stuffed with low-velocity ammo it is VERY quiet. It is also quite small for a heavy pistol, and very easy to conceal, the maker even includes a concealable holster with every order. The only downside of this puppy is it's low ammo count and the fact that MAD scanners can still pick it up. I suggest a smuggling case to get it through the front doors and then get into the bathroom and strap it on.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 52 Karma, 94.3% positive

>>>Man, I could have used one of these the other day. Had an assassination job that required me to be up-close and personal against a troll scientist. Plugged two rounds into his head with my Elan and he barely even blinked. MAN that run was bad.<<<
-Posted by NotaNinja, 30 Karma, 83.3% positive

>>>Silky Jones tells me that's why this thing was developed. Up-close assassination against some of the tougher metas out there can be tough, and you need a big gun. But smuggling a big gun is always tougher than smuggling a small one, until now.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 52 Karma, 94.3% positive

Posted by: AllTheNothing Apr 4 2009, 10:11 PM

That would make my holdout cost "only" 9'600

EDIT: And it frees a slot that can be used for Easy Breakdown resulting in a wonderfull concealability.

Posted by: Dumori Apr 4 2009, 11:30 PM

This this thing aint cheap but it packs a punch and a half and hard to find or detect. Best used with a smuggling compartment for hide the gun and store a selection of rounds. Best used for close rang assassinations or insertions jobs that need a big gun but stealth or where carrying to much gear would be a problem.

Posted by: Five Eyes Apr 5 2009, 02:56 AM

Both inspired by the "well, maybe..." section on odd underbarrel weapons in Arsenal. I think that they're both inferior to published weapons of comparable cost, but let me know what you think. I wasn't certain on when you doubled the cost for an internal smartlink, so I ruled that you paid the weapon's base, pre-mod cost, rather than having modifications like a personal grip alter the price of adding a smartlink.

>>>I used one of these back when I was legitimate; it was a gift from the company we were working for. It was workable, but I never had cause to use the second barrel - an off-the-shelf Deputy would likely have been just as useful. <<<
- Bulletproof

>>>Coming back to this, my 'net security advisor' also wanted me to add that, due to the collector's edition nature of the weapon, it is exceedingly easy to trace - the makers want to be able to keep marketting to known buyers, so its wireless-enabled by default and can relay data about other firearms registered to you, to better target their sales pitch - it's easy enough to disable, but you have to remember to do so.<<<
- Bulletproof



>>>This one's an odd street modification to the base "Bicentennial." The maker is a gun hobbyist and purveyor out here in Seattle from my old neighborhood. She took my Beauregard after I'd ditched it for the Warhawk, and turned it into this - the underbarrel's been replaced with a stacked-round electronic firing system, as in the Yamaha Fubuki, loaded with Stick-and-Shock ammo. She's since produced others to order, and I must admit that the knockout potential of the burst is pretty impressive.<<<
- Bulletproof

Posted by: Mäx Apr 5 2009, 08:13 AM

Thats one of those rules that never made any sence to me, as it let's you get a drum for even those SMG:s that have their ammo loaded in the grip(Like Uzi IV and SCK Model 100) so why not pistols.
and before you say that is such a clitsch in the ruleshttp://world.guns.ru/smg/smg101-e.htm (third picture)

Posted by: Degausser Apr 5 2009, 09:17 AM

>>>Just got done with a run, and it was a strange one. I guess one gang in Seattle found an easy way to hijack shipments of gun parts and low-end guns. So they take them back to their hideout and start using all the parts to mod the crap out of the guns. Then they either use these guns in their gang war, or sell them to their friends. These guns featured an advanced safety that knocked any unregistered user on their keister, so rival gangs couldn't steal these guns or pick them off of dead bodies.

Anywho, this gang was dominating their local turf until we were hired by the company they were stealing from to shut them down. Shut them down we did, and I got me a crate of these things. Not the best guns in the world, but they might be serviceable as backup guns. I'll sell them to anyone who wants one for a discount.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma, 94.5% good

>>>Eh, nothing special here, though I can see why a lot of them would tip the scales of a local gangwar. I could mod one of these up in a half a day if I wanted. Ah, who the hell am I kidding, I am a sucker for all sorts of guns, and this one would be fun if I stuck some stick-and-shock ammo in it. How low you willing to go on price, Everyman?<<<
-Posted by SylfSmith, 17 Karma, 100% good

>>>We can discuss payment in person. Meet at that one bar again?<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma, 94.5% good

>>>You just want me for my fine, elven posterior.<<<
-Posted by SylfSmith, 17 Karma, 100% good

>>>Well, I can't argue with that, it IS an awfully fine posterior.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma, 94.5% good

Posted by: AllTheNothing Apr 5 2009, 02:39 PM

Executor HP

Base Gun: Colt Government 2066 (DV: 5P, AP: -1, Mode: SSA, RC: 1, Ammo: 14©, Avviability: 6R, Cost: 500 )
Mods:
Ceramic/Plasteel Components: Slots Used: 1, Aviability: 20F(replaces the aviability of other mods), Cost: x6 modifier to the cost of weapon and mods
Easy Breakdown (manual): Slots Used: 1, Aviability: 8R, Cost: 500
Internal Silencer: Slots Used: 2, Aviability: 8F, Cost: 400
Smartgun System: Slots Used: 1, Aviability: 6R, Cost: 500
Skinlink: Slots Used: 1, Aviability: 6, Cost: 50
TOTAL: Aviability: 20F, Cost: 1'950 x6 = 11'700

Anything but cheap, but hell if you have to smuggle something that packs the punch this gun is for you; if overmodding is allowed you can add Chamilion Coating increasing the cost to 17'700 .

Posted by: Dumori Apr 5 2009, 04:51 PM

My friend live by this gun. Its nothing fancy but it fits the way he works.
Morrissey Elan 450
factory smartlink for a new base cost of 900
Chameleon Coating
Easy Breakdown (Manual)
Meta-human Customization
Silencer
total cost of 4150
if you don't need the Meta-human Customization personalized grip or shorter barrel works well with this gun. It might not pack a punch but when loaded with capsule rounds or stick 'n' shock this piece can take down what ever hit hits.

Posted by: overcannon Apr 9 2009, 02:38 AM

I used this in one brief campaign:

Ares Omega, modified Ares Alpha
High Velocity, Ammo Drum, Gas Vent 3, Airburst Link, Personalized Grip, Skinlink, Trigger Removal, Shock Pad.
6P, -1AP, 7RC, 100(D)
Cost :7250, Availiability (highest): 12F

Slap it onto a Gyromount and you can almost ignore recoil.

Posted by: Degausser Apr 9 2009, 10:11 AM

>>>I bet a lot of runners out there wonder what the 'other' professionals use, those guys that are hired to stop us. Sure, the Star uses Ruger Thunderbolts, but the feds, like the FBI, or the CAS equivalent, or what the bodyguards for the Tir Princes use. Well, most of them use this sucker here. See, I have a friend who used to run with the CIA, and he said that they have a special deal with Colt to buy modded Government 2066s like the above. They are more durable, have a larger ammo capacity, and have an ammo skip system so that they can skip the gel rounds and go straight for the EX explosive if the need arises. Anyway, I paid him for the specs, then turned around and gave the specs to my old buddy John Du, who has faithfully recreated them as best he can. If you are lucky, you might be able to find a real one of these on the black market, but John's version works just as well, and his are far less traceable.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma, 94.5% positive.

>>>The 'real' versions have a biometric security system which is usually hacked or removed as soon as it hits the black market. Friend of mine one time asked me clean one for him. I speak from experience . . . make EXTRA sure you have disabled the scanner before picking it up . . . my hair is still frizzy from the shock I got. . .<<<
-Posted by SylfSmith, 17 Karma, 100% positive.

>>>What are you guys talking about? The FBI uses these things to fire modified RFID chips which implant into our skin, and take over your simrig (or brain, if you are unagmented) and then you are their puppet slave FOREVER.<<<
-Posted by TinFoilHats, 20 Karma, 80% positive.

>>>Fastjack . . . far be it from me to question your wisdom. . . but WHY did you allow that guy on jackpoint?<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma, 94.5% positive.

>>>I sometimes regret it . . . but despite his . . . UNUSUAL beliefs, he is a fellow shadowrunner and a damn fine hacker. Actually, he coded a bit of Jackpoint himself. He does good work . . . when he takes his medication.
-Posted by Fastjack, Moderator

Posted by: Degausser Apr 9 2009, 07:00 PM

>>>Okay chummers, sit down for a story. I have a crazy friend, let's call him Pete. Pete is a big time trid junkie. Pete also mods guns (usually legally, but he can make exceptions) for a living. Pete's big thing is he makes real, working recreations of weaponry from Trid Shows. He makes Karl Kombatmage's legendary SMG, and has even made Neil the Ork Barbarian's flaming sword (curtsy of implanted flame jets within the weapon.)

Recently, ol' Pete has started watching old VIDEO. That's right, pre-awakening stuff. He came across an old movie (and made me watch it) called 'Robocop.' It is about a cyberzombie (remember, this was made BEFORE the awakening and implants, so some of the facts are off), and this Robot-Cop has a really cool Gun . . . and Pete has made it. I don't even WANT to know how he got his hands on all those thunderbolts, but he is willing t clean the barrels and sell them to runners . . . if anyone is interested.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma 94.5% positive.

>>>It is kinda scary how accurate those old shows are, isn't it. Makes you think. Haven't seen this 'Robocop', but I might be persuaded to sit down and look at 90 min. of plain, flat, video. I'm gonna see if I can find it somewhere on the 'trix.<<<
-Posted by TinFoilHats, 20 Karma, 80% positive.

>>>Yeah, I have seen the movie. If you can get past the utter rediculusness of it (remember, this was made BEFORE the awakening, so don't call them out on 'factual errors') it is a pretty entertaining action show. I think robocop's gun had more ammo, but isn't that always the way with movies? Anyway, I might consider grabbing a pair, they look pretty service-worthy. Is his work reliable, Everyman?<<<
-Posted by GunslingerGirl, 21 Karma, 85.7% positive.

>>>As crazy as Pete is, he does know his stuff. His stuff is legit. Doesn't jam . . . leastwise doesn't jam more often than other, more normal guns.<<<
-Posted by Everyman, 55 Karma 94.5% positive.

Posted by: Dumori Apr 9 2009, 08:04 PM

>>>Had an odd order today some merc sniper wanted a big gun for when things get a bit too close on the job. The environment mod was for his next deployment. But the rest could work quite nicely for you runner types. I can easy make something like this if you need but they are costly


>>>This was another custom order for a troll gunslinger wanted some thing that packs a punch as his las dich fall back pistol. I'm quite found of using the Eichiro Hatamoto II as a base gun as it leands it's self to a few quite diffrent rolls rather well as you can see from the stealth version Ive already posted.

Posted by: overcannon Apr 12 2009, 07:24 PM

Here is something for taking down larger targets (read: Dragons), though it is both extrodinarily expensive and difficult to use.

There is nothing to compare it to in terms of raw damage output, though it can only get through three rounds of automatic firing.

Gyro stabilization is not optional at all, combined with it's rigid stock and shock pad, it nets a 6 die penalty to recoil. And it also costs 450 nuyen each time you let it off the chain, so that is not an option to be considered lightly. However, even Dragons have something to fear from the Hammer of Thor.

Posted by: crash2029 Apr 13 2009, 07:13 AM

The tiny little munchkin locked away inside my brain just died from a massive pleasure-induced heart attack.

Posted by: Zombayz Apr 13 2009, 08:38 AM

One thing: Rename it Mjolnir,like the hammer. That way, you have the nice fun translation: Crusher.

Posted by: The Jake Apr 13 2009, 09:34 AM

This is without a doubt the most practical weapon posted in this thread.

- J.

Posted by: overcannon Apr 13 2009, 12:38 PM

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

And now, to make a complete mockery of the thread, I am proud to present



Nothing says, "I am going to kill you" like two bayonets on your rocket launcher/assault cannon.
Or if that is just too subtle for you:



Now that is excessive.

Posted by: Dumori Apr 13 2009, 02:36 PM

One-up-man-ship go!

edit: fixed armor.
Now strap that on you back while carrying the latter and your good to go....

Posted by: Heath Robinson Apr 13 2009, 02:42 PM

Unfortunately, the maximum armour you can put on your Gundrone is 6.

Posted by: Dumori Apr 13 2009, 02:48 PM

I think that was the only slip from RAW. However there is the case for it having 3 body being backpack sized.

Posted by: crash2029 Apr 14 2009, 12:48 AM

Crap. The tiny little munchkin in my head survived the heart attack and just founded a polytheistic religion around you guys. You have any idea how hard it is to take communion using .50 BMG rounds?

Posted by: Dumori Apr 14 2009, 02:27 AM

We can go fearther I was thinking of swapping out the bipod and adding the auto-assault from above underbarrel with an extended barrel not reduced to have a automated point defense on the back pack to. Also with millspec armor you could carry a second automated weapon over your other shoulder LMG minigun with 10round GL underbarrel?. I think any more twinking may just kill my tiny little munchkin in my head.

Posted by: crash2029 Apr 14 2009, 04:25 AM

The Loonie's Sidearm

base weapon: Fichetti Tiffani Needler
(4P/0AP/4c/500 )

mods
fire selection change (FA) availability 12F/cost weapon + 2000 /slots 4
folding stock availability 4/ cost 30 /slots 1

final stats
hold-out pistol damage 6P | AP +5f | mode SA/FA | ammo 4c | availability 12F | price 3030

Posted by: tsuyoshikentsu Apr 14 2009, 06:07 AM

>>>No camo. Not concealable. Pretty much nothing that we'd usually want. But Jesus effing Christ is this a scary weapon to be seeing the wrong end of. Someone (and by "someone" I mean "a guy who I can get you in contact with for a few nuyen more") saw Ares' foray into the HVAR market, and decided it'd be a fun thing to fuse with an Alpha. Well, it's fun, all right: you'll look like a freaking trid hero, what with your gun that offers about as much recoil as a three-round burst on an AK-97 while spitting up to 16 rounds a second. In all seriousness, though, this thing gets a damn good accuracy to power ratio, and it's not like the Alpha isn't all over the Shadows anyway. Just bring lots of ammo.<<<
-Posted by Thud, Karma 27, 95.9% positive

>>>Thud, you're a troll. With foot anchors. You telling me that there's not much recoil means jack and... you know.<<<
-Posted by SomeDaysSomeNights, Karma 33, 87.2% positive

>>>One, you're not exactly elven yourself, SDSN. Two, I've seen a human fire it with barely a pop; that's what I'm basing this on. If you've got foot anchors, are pretty strong, or both, you're gonna feel like you're shooting a pistol. A really, really heavy pistol.<<<
--Posted by Thud, Karma 27, 95.9% positive

>>>I actually have one of these things. Thud's exaggerating about the RoF; you're not getting there unless you've got some SERIOUS WR stuff going on. But that said? Stick a bunch of stick-n-shock rounds in there and bring down a Dragon-cursed elephant if you want.<<<
--Posted by Atzmaut, Karma 9, 99.9% positive



>>>Yes. It's a toy. But I saw a mall robbed by Bust-a-Moves once, so shut the eff up. Just in time for the latest in office warfare comes a paintball gun capable of smartlinking and full-auto. But the the reason we want it, omaes, is because it'll take SuperSquirt ammo. There's nothing like putting three guys down in a spray of Pepper Punch in less than five seconds.<<<
Posted by Thud, Karma 27, 95.9% positive

>>>You're a kid at heart, Thud.<<<
Posted by AvogadroDoesItWithMoles, Karma 17, 92.1% positive

>>>Shut it, omae.<<<
Posted by Thud, Karma 27, 95.9% positive

Posted by: The Jake Apr 14 2009, 06:23 AM

Copied/pasted from the street sam thread.
==
Here is the pistol of choice for all aspiring Grammaton Clerics:

The custom look was originally intended for staredowns (+2 mod per weapon when drawn (+4 total) + elven charisma would be impressive I thought, but I ran out of points). Ideally I'd make it undetectable to MADs but I can't do that without using additional restrictive gear. Recoil compensation on this weapon alone is 5 before factoring in gyromounts and strength.

I'm not entirely sure on the legality of having two grip mods - I'm thinking most GMs wouldn't have an issue with the above.

- J.

Posted by: Heath Robinson Apr 14 2009, 07:21 AM

>>> Another gun from the West Coast that I've been given the chance to get shipped out, any takers? It's billed as "an SMG for those that don't like using pistol calibres". If that's your thing, then PM me for payment details. <<
- Cobra Johnson, 89 Karma, 62 Metakarma, 3 Hyperkarma, 1 Shiftkarma

>>> Hey, how come it doesn't list the clips for a pair of large clips? Aren't you the self-proclaimed completionist? <<<
- AJX, 7 Karma, 2 Metakarma

>>> I just got off the 'link with the guy, and he says that it'd cost you extra to fit both of those in the same weapon. Something about having to use smart materials for the mag wells if you wanted both. You also can't easily fit the Smartgun into the same gun as a second clip. Didn't name a price, either. <<<
- Cobra Johnson, 89 Karma, 62 Metakarma, 3 Hyperkarma, 1 Shiftkarma

>>> Free bayonet mount? <<<
- Nameless Egomaniac, 3 Karma

>>> Oh great, you got tangency going again. <<<
- MoXt, Moderator

>>> He probably doesn't think it's worth rounding up the price of the mount to the nearest hundred. Doesn't like dealing with "spare change". <<<
- Cobra Johnson, 89 Karma, 62 Metakarma, 3 Hyperkarma, 1 Shiftkarma

>>> I note that this man doesn't make the normal kind of guns you see around here. What's up with that? <<<
- Well and Truly Borked, 45 Karma, 22 Metakarma, 1 Hyperkarma

>>> He's from LA, dude. What do you expect? <<<
- Nameless Egomaniac, 3 Karma



>>> Same old West Coast guy. This is apparently based off the gun a friend of his was using back when he was a 'runner. He sent me pictures, that barrel goes a long way. Frankly, if some guy jammed this in face I wouldn't care if I was made of fire, I'd be running scared. <<<
- Cobra Johnson, 89 Karma, 62 Metakarma, 3 Hyperkarma, 1 Shiftkarma

>>> So instead of dealing with all the problems of the basic weapon, he makes them even worse? It's lighter and has even more recoil! Who's this guy's friend? Some big burly guy who doesn't have a problem firing the biggest baddest weapons on the planet without a problem? <<<
- Nameless 'Runner

>>> He was Human. A hacker. What does that make you? Some kind of nancy boy? JD could fire a Warhawk perfectly fine. <<<
- Goldberg et al, 0 Karma

>>> I gave the guy behind this the address, figured he could answer questions best himself. <<<
- Cobra Johnson, 89 Karma, 62 Metakarma, 3 Hyperkarma, 1 Shiftkarma

>>> So, uh, how do you kill Spirits with this? It's not like it does significantly more damage. <<<
- AJX, 7 Karma, 2 Metakarma

>>> Load it with EX Explosive. The basic weapon is perfectly fine that way, just figured it would be better if it could shoot a little further and be light enough that you don't have to drop something from your normal loadout to use it. <<<
- Goldberg et al, 0 Karma

Posted by: Mäx Apr 14 2009, 07:29 AM

Actually according to Arsenal errata, that would be 8P +5AP

Posted by: crash2029 Apr 14 2009, 09:41 AM

Actually it's 6P because the non-flechette hold-out damage is 4P. Though the weapon has a +2 AP and the ammo has +5, so in the spirit of pointlessness I took the +5 AP.

EDIT: The arsenal errata does indeed say that the pistol does 8P(f). That makes no sense to me as the high damage makes this pistol semi-useful, something that completely undermines my intent.