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Posted by: Ancient History Nov 28 2009, 01:51 AM

I do on occasion delve into eBay, just to see what's out there that's new and special and too rich for my blood.

The http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-MANGA-BOOK-COMPLETE-SET_W0QQitemZ230396690482QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a4b68032 caught my eye because I didn't recall them as actually existing - and then I ran across http://www.ex.org/1.3/24-shadowrun.html which would seem to lend credence to the posting. Still only an item the most eccentric (or Japanese-fluent) collector.

I actually asked Adam about http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Video-Game-Dunkelzahn-Shirt_W0QQitemZ320449017096QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?var=&hash=item76be67a726; there are couple different designs from the same seller.

I include the http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Shadowrun-Between-Science-Fiction-and-Fantasy_W0QQitemZ400074903545QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Fiction_Books?hash=item5d26528ff9 only to encourage people not to buy it (although it's kind of them to include free shipping given the price - US$60 is about average). Anyway, it's a 68-page thesis written in English by a non-American student, and general feedback on the contents (and especially the relevance to Shadowrun) has been poor. Skip this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Poster-RPG-Fasa-Promo-Promotional_W0QQitemZ380181822926QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item58849a3dce are rare enough, but this is a really cherry example of an early FASA pin-up. Minus the border, it's the picture from Native American Nations, Vol. 1.

Posted by: Draco18s Nov 28 2009, 02:02 AM

Oh man. If only they'd used an image that was more appropriate for a campaign T-Shirt than the faded wall poster.

I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Tachi Nov 28 2009, 03:40 AM

Hey Ancient... when did you get a job at QVC?

Or are you hard up for money and getting kickbacks?

Just kidding man... where do you always find all the stuff you run across? Better yet, how much time do you spend looking for SR stuff? You always find good stuff...

Posted by: BookWyrm Nov 28 2009, 03:53 AM

I didn't know about the manga. Too bad there isn't an English translation. I'd love to get a good look at it.

Nice work on tracking all those down, AH.

Posted by: Ancient History Nov 28 2009, 03:56 AM

My awe-inspiring powers generally amount to typing "shadowrun" into eBay's search parameters once every couple of weeks and scrolling through the 10 or so pages. If I get really insane (or bored), which really shouldn't happen because I'm behind on writing, I'll go through Amazon and a couple of its foreign site mirrors like Amazon.uk and Amazon.ca. Like with many things, all you really require is the fortitude to wade through fifty entries on the Shadowrun PC/Xbox disaster and an eye for little details.

Which is how I now own three copies of the Street Samurai Guide: the original uncensored edition, the regular censored edition, and the (presumably) rarer censored-but-in-a-different-way edition.

Posted by: Tachi Nov 28 2009, 04:03 AM

Translation: Patience Grasshopper...

See, that must be where I always mess up, I'm big on instant gratification. Plus, everytime I see a page of SR PC/Xbox I get pissed and bail.


Really? I didn't know there were three versions...

Posted by: Method Nov 28 2009, 04:21 AM

What was the question and what was his response? Are these official or is this an IP infringement of some kind?

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 28 2009, 04:21 AM

If someone can provide me a copy of the manga (or a script thereof), even temporarily, I can make a translation.

~J

Posted by: Ancient History Nov 28 2009, 04:40 AM

As far as I know they're not "official" in that I don't believe that CGL (or any other license holder) has granted a sub-license to print them. My question to Adam was whether or not the Vote-For-Dunkelzahn poster-shirt had ever been an official FASA shirt (yes). As far as I know, these guys just have a couple boxes of the old ones lying around...if they're actually printing new ones, I don't know.

Posted by: underaneonhalo Nov 28 2009, 04:41 AM

That t-shirt looks like a really bad photoshop.

Posted by: Draco18s Nov 28 2009, 12:03 PM

It does. Makes me want to "fix" it by making a "Vote for Big D" t-shirt, rather than a "Vote for Big D poster" t-shirt.

Posted by: The Jake Nov 28 2009, 12:13 PM

I remember once I picked up Universal Brotherhood for $5AUD in a second hand section at my local RPG store. It somehow got lost in a move (I think) only to find that it retails on Ebay for $100USD+ (usually $150USD now). Doh.

I am also on the hunt for a copy of Runner Havens. Cheapest I've seen in 12 months is approximately $127USD. Sigh.

- J.

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 10 2009, 03:04 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPACE-GAMER-MAGAZINE-SHADOWRUN-WAR-HAMMER-ALBEDO_W0QQitemZ380185087903QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5884cc0f9f. It's hard to remember now, but back in the dawn times Shadowrun actually rated articles and reviews in these things called "gaming magazines," which sadly pretty much are one-company promoters or nearly nonexistent at this point. If you're interested in those kinds of things, others to look out for are issues of Challenger, White Wolf Quarterly, Game Trade Magazine, and a rare few issues of Dragon. Generally those auctions will not advertise that the issue has a Shadowrun-specific article, so you have to sort of know what you're looking for. Case in point: http://cgi.ebay.com/AD-D-Dragon-Magazine-199_W0QQitemZ370035783953QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMagazines?hash=item5627d9f911 includes an article on Dunkelzahn: the Mass-Media Dragon written by Tom Dowd.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-sega-mega-drive-cd-megadrive_W0QQitemZ350289965151QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item518ee8b05f, released only in Japan (and in Japanese) is a rarity, made available only through the grace of the internet. This isn't a bad price, but since this game is on an ancient system, is only in Japanese, and a somewhat bizarre format, it's more of a curiosity than a must-have. Reviews and screenshots are available online in various fansites.

Now this is interesting (and cheap!), a http://cgi.ebay.com/FASA-Shadowrun-3E-SHADOWRUN-POSTER_W0QQitemZ350289967124QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518ee8b814 I've never seen before. The auctioneer claims it is for Shadowrun Third Edition, which I doubt since FASA closed long before then. The art is definitely Jeff Laubenstein, though - look at that troll and the street mage that stepped right off the color plates of SR1 and SR2!

http://cgi.ebay.com/High-Tech-Low-Life-art-of-shadowrun_W0QQitemZ110467555954QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b8612272 is one of the great bombs of Shadowrun publishing, at least the way I heard it. This was back in the day when D&D was releasing books of its art by Brom and Larry Elmore; SR had some pieces by Luis Ruyo, Soriyama, and Tim Bradstreet to brag about, so they got in the game with this too-big-to-fit-on-a-shelf art book...it did not sell quickly, or in mass quantities. It is very pretty however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Such-deine-eigene-Wahrheit-Dritter-Roman-d_W0QQitemZ290365186029QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Fiction_Books?hash=item439b1d1fed, or at the very least do a quick online translation before you bid. This item, for example, is a German translation of Find Your Own Truth, the third novel in Shadowrun's Secrets of Power trilogy - and which you can get in English for about a buck plus shipping. That said, the Germans have produced their own original and unique Shadowrun novels. Which are all in German.

Posted by: hobgoblin Dec 10 2009, 03:11 PM

a bit of elven nudity offended some parent "representatives"?

Posted by: hobgoblin Dec 10 2009, 03:17 PM

yep, looks like the archetypes from the SR2 thats sitting on my shelf.


http://www.allianceangst.com/galeria/desenhos/slides/Luis%20Royo%20-%20Fantasy%20Art%20-%20Shadowrun%2038.html <- if this is what he did for SR, its not his best work...

that is, unless i am getting the names confused, or ol AH did a typo...

Posted by: Prime Mover Dec 10 2009, 03:18 PM

Poster is cover from Sprawl Maps (1994) but I don't ever remember seeing it as a poster.

Edit: Claiming mint to near mint condition, but in the pic you can see the corner missing. Folds are small, smaller then SR book size...promo poster?
Edit: Folds similar to first poster you linked and this one, had to be a promo. http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/eaglez11/Shadowrun.JPG?vvid=2672790&allow_mailing_list=1&allow_track_link=1&track=027988cab2-703d&sp=0&vsid=1&vgp=0

Posted by: ravensmuse Dec 10 2009, 04:46 PM

Would finding you a raw scan be okay? I could see if one of the random translation groups has it in an archive they picked up along the way.

I seem to remember someone talking about the manga before on here, and I wanted to say it was you, AH. Or maybe I was digging up Shadowrun stuff and stumbled across it. I just get the feeling that I've seen it before and heard someone talking about it.

Posted by: McCummhail Dec 10 2009, 05:05 PM

There are actually some really interesting shadowrun books available only in Japan.
I find http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%89%E3%82%A6%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3-%E3%83%AA%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4-%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%E3%81%AE%E5%A4%A9%E4%BD%BF%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A1-Role-Books/dp/4775305689.
Books that present examples of play in a novel / comic / rules fashion to help integrate new players (because pen and paper role playing is really niche over there).

I can also assist with any translations. I will look for scans after work.

Posted by: hobgoblin Dec 10 2009, 05:54 PM

ye freakin lolita...

Posted by: Method Dec 10 2009, 08:40 PM

Huh? http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii256/Method_X_/Other/SR3.gif published the first several printings of SR3 before going out of business.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 10 2009, 10:58 PM

That's more or less what I was hinting at with the "script" bit; I could probably work from a real script as well, but context can be a pain

~J

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 11 2009, 12:14 AM

You're right, my tired brain was thinking of Fourth Edition.

Posted by: Stahlseele Dec 11 2009, 12:53 AM

which, for the most part, suck ass . .

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 11 2009, 01:05 AM

I can't throw stones.

Posted by: ravensmuse Dec 13 2009, 12:57 AM

Heh, I wasn't sure how kosher discussing fanscans are, but sometimes its worth being direct, y'know? Especially as they were never licensed over here, so technically...

(Mods, I'll remove this if you think its not kosher)

Posted by: KarmaInferno Dec 13 2009, 02:28 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Video-Game-Symbol-Black-or-Red-T-Shirt_W0QQitemZ320449017119QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?var=&hash=item76be67a73c

Pity, I would like to have a "S" logo shirt in black like that.



-karma

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 13 2009, 04:59 AM

Well, there's also the fact that if someone really was crazy enough to drop the cash on a set of the manga and then send them to me, I don't want to discourage them

Doing a little searching, I can't find anything else by the author (斉木一馬), or even a page that uses the name that isn't about the Shadowrun manga; it may be a throwaway pen name, or maybe it's just someone who didn't make it (or didn't decide to continue) in the manga business. Lots of sites list the manga's existence, but I can't find any that actually have it for sale or list a review.

Wait! Ok, I found someone who claims to have read it, and they say there are a lot of interesting characters. That's… not very informative, but at least I have evidence that there exists someone who has read this series, and that they liked it.

(I also discovered that geocities.co.jp is still operating. How about that?)

~J

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 13 2009, 02:21 PM

More info:

The writer of the manga apparently worked on eromanga in the late '80s/early '90s under the name 未津島えり (this isn't uncommon at all, in terms of ways to get started in the business). The commentator I found (http://tsuiseki.sakuraweb.com/manga-ka/sa/mk-sa0001.html) seems to think that after the Shadowrun manga was finished the writer changed pen names again and went back to eromanga, but doesn't know the new pen name (and it isn't clear on what basis the page author thinks that).

~J

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 13 2009, 02:54 PM

Would you want to go into excruciating detail about your knowledge of eromanga?

Posted by: Mr. Man Dec 13 2009, 05:46 PM

There was a http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=4186 a few years ago, unfortunately all the image links in the first post are broken. Here's what I could pull from archive.org:

Posted by: Draco18s Dec 13 2009, 05:57 PM

404'ing chummer.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 13 2009, 07:38 PM

Elf and Ork is simple transliteration.

The page explaining drain: in the first panel, the character getting nailed with a spell says something that I can clearly identify but can't understand the meaning of (it's the name of a former country in Japan). Below that, the caption says "Lesson: powerful spells wear you out easily!" (alternately: "the ease with which you tire yourself out is related to the power of your spells!"). The girl says "It's that kind of thing… ha ha ha". The guy says "Is that really all you have to say?"

The armor explanation: side caption: "Damage Resistance". Caption for the girl: "Unarmored". Caption for the guy: "Armored Jacket". Speech bubble: "Let's run an experiment, shall we? The difference in the defensive power between these two…". Next panel: "What will happen if we shoot them with a gun?" Last panel, girl's caption: "all torn up" or "in tatters", guy's caption: "somehow fine", guy's speech bubble: "Hey! That was dangerous!", final speech bubble: "Whenever possible, avoid getting into shooting fights [gunfights] without protective gear."

Pool explanation: title: "Dice pools are?" Guy: "Hmm… even if I roll the dice normally, there's no way [it's no good], it seems [I guess]…", Girl: "…At times like this:", second panel sign: "dice pool", guy: "add the dice pool…", last panel: "fight with numbers of dice!" (not really able to come up with a good translation for this; it makes sense in the original).

The guns are just transliterations of the name (the lower two items being a monowhip and an Ares Predator).

Last explanation: "A successful test is…?" Middle panel: "roll a number of dice equal to the rating of the skill or ability in use." Guy in the corner: "don't throw them!" Lower right panel: "if the individual dice are equal to or greater than the target number, success!" Right Bunnygirl: "Wonderful!" Left Bunnygirl "Congratulations!". Lower left panel: "in the event that all are 1s, it's an absolute failure!"

They curiously don't discuss non-botch failures.

~J

Posted by: McCummhail Dec 14 2009, 07:21 AM

It's worth noting that Bizen is a method of pottery firing named after the ancient province,
alternately, just the kanji could lead us to "before prepared" making it a delectable pun.

I was reading about the comic on a site and they went on for a while about how nostalgic it was to think about the comic.
The comic drew from a lot of new source material not yet available in print in Japan when it was released,
so a number of people remarked on being surprised by adepts and such in the comic.

Still have yet to find any scripts or anything useful though.
It was a very niche product.

Posted by: ravensmuse Dec 14 2009, 10:56 AM

Well, actually...

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 14 2009, 11:31 AM

I apparently can't leave this alone: after some more searching, it appears that the author of the Shadowrun manga did some more eromanga work for a small magazine under the name 有冬伊里; it doesn't look like a collection was ever released under that name.

~J

Posted by: Blade Dec 14 2009, 12:16 PM

Dibs on the official Shadowrun eromanga when it appears on e-bay

Posted by: ravensmuse Dec 14 2009, 02:33 PM

So you're eagerly awaiting the hot new release of Red in Tooth and Claw then, huh?

I tried poking my way through my usual suspects for raws and came up short. Then again, a lot of my logins have expired, so no dice there.

And I'd love to have a discussion of eromanga artists that have and haven't gone legit. It's a fun piece of trivia.

Posted by: Draco18s Dec 14 2009, 03:46 PM

Was that the Ryumyo/Lung slash fiction Chrysalis wrote?

Posted by: Kagetenshi Dec 14 2009, 04:27 PM

I had some Dunkelzahn/Damien Knight slashfic back in the day.

~J

Posted by: ravensmuse Dec 14 2009, 05:42 PM

It's the name of the Ryumyo / Lung slash manga that I used to have a sig message for, but I don't remember if they were the subject of Chrys' story either. I'll have to go back and read that.

Posted by: Draco18s Dec 14 2009, 05:58 PM

It was Ryumyo and Lung, I checked my PMs before making the post (yeah, I didn't delete it).

Posted by: Bull Dec 14 2009, 06:05 PM

Yeah, we're drifting off the subject here a bit (And into territory best left private. Take it to PM or IRC )

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 15 2009, 02:08 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-video-game-ad-page-SHADOWRUN_W0QQitemZ370305597227QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5637eeff2b More explicitly, I don't understand why it was cut out of the comic book. So you can frame it? Do people do that outside of bad Bruce Sterling novels? For $5.99 I hope it comes with a frame. Or the rest of the comic book.

Posted by: ravensmuse Dec 15 2009, 12:07 PM

There's a small fanbase for ephemera like that. Someone will probably frame it and stick it in their collection room.

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 26 2009, 10:55 PM

I don't much go in for Shadowrun minis. Not my thing for gaming. I do have quite a few due to various opportunities here and there - dragons, immortal elves, deep discount bins and going-out-of-business sales - http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Miniatures-Burnout-Ral-Partha-FASA_W0QQitemZ250551459092QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a5607dd14 It's a Ral Partha sculpt for FASA, part of the minis released for 3rd edition, and which (in my experience at least) are harder to find, probably due to FASA buying Ral Partha and then shutting its doors...anyway, pricewise you can actually find this model cheaper from Ral Partha's successor Iron Winds.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-WOLF-Magazine-RPG-Dracula-poster-33-NM-1992_W0QQitemZ270501196594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efb20b332; I mentioned magazines a page or two ago and this is another example. A modicum of research (I had to get off my hairy red ass and walk over to my shelf, y'all can just bing it or check pen-paper.net) reveals that this is a brief Shadowrun adventure set in New Orleans. Published long before Hurricane Katrina and (small aside) http://www.lulu.com/content/168302.

I know I said I wasn't much of one for minis, but I do love me some http://cgi.ebay.com/Grenadier-Minature-Figures-Shadowrun-Shadowrunners_W0QQitemZ260527033399QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca89f0c37. Maybe not this particular one, but others I have known. I remember them fondly, like the pain from an old wound.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tony-Szczudlo-Original-Earthdawn-Magic-Art-Published_W0QQitemZ230416549611QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a5e586eb might seem only tangentially related (and it is), but I just couldn't justify plugging the Earl Grier pieces that always seem to be up there. Not that Earl Grier isn't a good artist who has done some great pieces for Shadowrun; many an old-timer remembers his insect spirit merges with fond nightmares. It's just that I'm pretty damn sure most of those have been sold already.

Posted by: hobgoblin Dec 26 2009, 11:23 PM

heh, slow day?

Posted by: Straight Razor Dec 27 2009, 12:48 AM

what are on the pages that are blacked out? I have wondered that for years...

Posted by: Ancient History Dec 27 2009, 01:13 AM

Anything to get away from the 24 December fiction.


Improved Personal Explosive (IPE) grenades and Firepower™ ammo. Due to changes between SR1 and SR2, these two pieces of gear became obsolete.

Posted by: hobgoblin Dec 27 2009, 05:41 PM

ah yes, i recall the firepower entry from the back pages of SR2, saying it no longer applied.

Posted by: Ancient History Jan 5 2010, 09:40 PM

Couple winners here...first up, http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-MANGA-BOOK-COMPLETE-SET_W0QQitemZ320468386727QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d6783a7 for what I reckon is a pretty reasonable price as these things go.

Also in the international field, a (currently very cheap) run of http://cgi.ebay.com/Australian-Realms-RPG-magazine-lot-D-D-Shadowrun-etc_W0QQitemZ330392511379QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Toys_Hobbies_Games?hash=item4ceceda393, with its Shadowrun articles.

A bit of a rare item - I didn't even know this existed - a http://cgi.ebay.com/ROBERT-N-CHARRETTE-SHODOWRUN-Vol-1-3-GIFT-SET-UNOPENED_W0QQitemZ120513930290QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0f30a432, unopened and with the slipcase box intact and minty fresh. I was at first a bit skeptical since I'd never even heard of a gift set of these books, but it appears legit.

Finally, one for the strangeness pile: http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Third-Edition-Guide_W0QQitemZ280446619235QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414bebce63. Literally, it looks like somebody tore the book apart. Each page appears separately bagged and there are little tabs dividing chapters. While I abhor book butchery, this does seem to be a highly practical item for the discerning gamemaster (of an SR3 game), and the price is right.

Posted by: Method Jan 5 2010, 10:01 PM

Could also be a direct result of the shitty bindings that plagued SR books back in those days. These young whipper-snappers 'round here don't know how good they have it with their fancy hard-bound core books...

edit: oh yeah... get off my lawn...

Posted by: hobgoblin Jan 5 2010, 10:57 PM

heh, i wonder if i should do something similar to my matrix copy...

Posted by: Method Jan 6 2010, 12:04 AM

I feel your pain. My copy of Matrix is held together with nails. Nails. There must have been something amiss with the binding process when they made that book.

Posted by: ravensmuse Jan 6 2010, 12:47 AM

Anyone want to start a charity fund to get that Shadowrun manga collection for a community translation effort?

Posted by: Red_Cap Jan 6 2010, 01:00 AM

Speaking of old books, I found a copy of Shadowbeat in the forgotten books section of my LGS this week; never saw it there before, but I guess I just wasn't looking hard enough. I even got a discount on it from the manager because "Damn, that's an old book."

Posted by: TheFr0g Jan 6 2010, 04:22 AM

Another old book story...

I had a copy of Awakenings that got drenched in an unfortunate roof leak incident. I put it in the oven on really low heat to dry it out, which actually worked. I remembered to turn the oven off but not to take the book out so when my roomate went to make a pizza a few days later the stench of burning binding glue reminded me of my error.

It actually ended up looking really cool, burnt edges, browned paper... I stuck it in a 3 ring binder and continued to use it. It smelled terrible though, and was fairly brittle. Still, considering it was a magic sourcebook it was kind of fun to have to treat it like an ancient tome.

Posted by: Ancient History Jan 15 2010, 11:58 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Japanese-Edition_W0QQitemZ290390214287QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c9b068f. I bid on one of these at a Fantasy Shop auction in St. Louis but got out when the store clerk bid $300. The bastard.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-FASA-book-lot_W0QQitemZ270515571507QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efbfc0b33, with the highlight being Shadowland #3. It always makes me sort of curious to see lots like this, and imagine what the games must have been like with just these books. Not sad, really, just wondering where the fan's imaginations took them with that as a launching point.

Okay, http://catalog.ebay.com/Runner-Havens-SHADOWRUN-2006-Paperback-/48236621?_fifpts=1&_pcatid=4&_refkw=runner+havens&_trksid=p3286.c0.m505 These people are charging more for the book than my friend Jong-Won and I were paid to write Seattle. This is a book that went out of print in part because it took so frickin' long to sell. Madness. I can't wait to see what happens with Feral Cities and Corporate Enclaves. If I'd kept all my comp copies and not sent them to my dad and grandmother to prove I haven't been sitting around with my thumb up my arse, I could easily have doubled my money. I think I fell through a portal to Bizzaro-World at some point.

Posted by: Method Jan 16 2010, 12:11 AM

$228.54? I have a copy of Runners Havens I might be willing sell for half that much if anyone is interested...

I recently saw a few auctions for older (but not vintage by any means) Warhammer stuff with similarly inflated prices. I think this is what happens when people who don't understand the niche market that is gaming try to sell things despite having no idea of the value their product has among actual gamers/collectors.

[edit] Also, does anyone happen to know how many issues of Shadowland were printed before it got nixed? I think I have the first 6, but I'm curious how many issues they produced.

Posted by: MJBurrage Jan 16 2010, 07:03 AM

Ka-Ge had thirteen issues (Issue Zero – Issue 12) from 1991–1994

Shadowland had seven issues (#1 – #7) from 1995–1997

Posted by: hobgoblin Jan 16 2010, 07:54 AM

i wonder what it is with the old black and white artwork that makes it appeal to me so much.

Posted by: hahnsoo Jan 16 2010, 07:59 AM

On a related note, here's some pictures of the Japanese Earthdawn books (at earthdawn.blogspot.com):
http://earthdawn.blogspot.com/2009/01/earthdawn-world-wide.html

Posted by: Ancient History Feb 5 2010, 04:21 PM

This week: zines. Many of you might be too young to remember the heyday of gaming magazines, but there was once a time when many of these flimsy, flashy, usually a touch amateurish periodicals would grace the shelves of B. Daltons and FLGSs alike. Even company rags like White Wolf would spare a couple black-and-white pages for fannish articles on other games, 'cause everyone did it - granted, this was back when WW was more punk than gothic.

So, starting off: http://cgi.ebay.com/White-Wolf-Magazines-47-23-48-45-41_W0QQitemZ350311331009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item51902eb4c1. http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-WOLF-38-RPG-Magazine-White-Wolf-VF_W0QQitemZ8789923552QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20beb96e0 http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-WOLF-Magazine-RPG-Dracula-poster-33-NM-1992_W0QQitemZ270514265178QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efbe81c5a To save you the googling, I include http://www.erzo.org/shannon/gaming/indices/white-wolf.txt

Next up: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vortext-Magazine-35-3-new-Role-Playing-Magazines_W0QQitemZ290389179755QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c8b3d6b, a zine so obscure I had never even heard of it before today. Again, http://www.erzo.org/shannon/gaming/indices/vortext.txt

Moving on: http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-SHADIS-MAGAZINES-gamer-gaming-RPG-FASA_W0QQitemZ150396255539QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item230450bd33. http://www.erzo.org/shannon/gaming/indices/shadis.txt is substantially dated at this point, as Shadis is currently living on through its spiritual successor Knights of the Dinner Table Magazine. http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADIS-20-rpg-mag-Alderac-1995_W0QQitemZ160013450335QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item25418b7c5f

I hold a soft spot in my cold, black heart for http://cgi.ebay.com/GDW-GAMES-MAGAZINE-CHALLENGE-66-SCIENCE-FICTION-GAMING_W0QQitemZ310198522951QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item483945d447, GDW's addition to the list. http://cgi.ebay.com/GDW-GAMES-MAGAZINE-CHALLENGE-69-SCIENCE-FICTION-GAMING_W0QQitemZ220550930682QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3359dc20fa http://cgi.ebay.com/G-D-W-Challenge-45-Magazine-of-Science-Fiction-Gaming_W0QQitemZ330401959588QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4ced7dcea4 Challenge published Stackpoole's original Wolf & Raven stories for SR, and included SR art by many, if not most, of the SR1 and SR2 notables such as Tim Bradstreet and Jeff Laubenstein.


Okay, not a magazine, but how trippy is the cover to this http://cgi.ebay.com/FASA-Shadowrun-RPG-SHADOWRUN-RPG-4E-in-German_W0QQitemZ350280266662QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518e54b3a6

Posted by: Draco18s Feb 5 2010, 04:23 PM

"VERSION 4.01 D" indeed.

Posted by: MJBurrage Feb 20 2010, 05:22 AM

Thhee issues of http://cgi.ebay.com/290400673380

Posted by: KarmaInferno Feb 20 2010, 06:02 AM

I've actually done this before to game books.

Many office services stores like Staples will chop off the binding of a book and re-bind it using spiral binding (or a 3-ring binder).

3-ring binders allow inserting stuff like houserules and errata between pages easily, and you can put tabs like the example linked.

Spiral binding allows the book to be laid flat on a table or even folded open.

With clear plastic cover pages the books can last quite a while. If you've done it to a hardcover, it reduces the weight.



-karma

Posted by: kjones Feb 20 2010, 06:37 AM

Here's what I don't understand, wrt Japanese Shadowrun material - the Japanese have plenty of weirdness of their own, why would they feel the need to import some more from us?

Posted by: Draco18s Feb 20 2010, 06:55 AM

Likely because our weirdness is tentacle-free. And despite 70 years of dystopian future history, there still aren't used underwear vending machines in ShadowRun (despite a growing used bioware market).

Posted by: hobgoblin Feb 20 2010, 07:42 AM

didnt the japanese version of SR edit out any existence of orcs?

Posted by: Ancient History Mar 14 2010, 05:23 AM

Okay, this is unusual: original art for the Shadowrun TCG, by D. Martin. Three are up:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Original-Oil-Card-Haunted-High-Rise-D-Martin_W0QQitemZ290411478900QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439ddf7f74
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Original-Oil-Card-Fusion-Gate-David-Martin_W0QQitemZ290411481309QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439ddf88dd
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Original-Oil-Card-Skillsoft-Stealth-D-Martin_W0QQitemZ290411484562QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439ddf9592

And, for whatever it is worth to you, an http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Cake-Walk-Card-autographed-John-Matson_W0QQitemZ310121045232QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4834a79cf0 http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Ranger-X-CCG-Autographed-John-Matson_W0QQitemZ310121746817QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4834b25181

While we're on these things, here is http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-CCG-TCG-Trading-Card-Game-Booster-Box_W0QQitemZ320498475882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9f32a36a and http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-CCG-TCG-Trading-Card-Game-Underworld-Booster_W0QQitemZ320498480985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9f32b759.

A note when buying http://cgi.ebay.com/FASA-Shadowrun-The-Universal-Brotherhood-supplement_W0QQitemZ250399624617QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a4cfb0da9, this product consists of two (2) booklets in one (1) cover folder. Shop smart, ask the damn buyer for details before you drop US$40 on it.

This is a new one on me: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dragonskin-Vinyl-Bookcover-Shadowrun-8029-MINT_W0QQitemZ140307137760QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20aaf504e0, still minty fresh. See, back in the day you would by these rubber, textured dragonskin covers and put them on your hardcover books to protect them from scuffs, and to look totally awesome and freak out the straights. I've never seen an SR version of one, though.

Also, for those of you lacking stylish bling: http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-LARGE-S-PENDANT-SILVER_W0QQitemZ170268109681QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27a4c52b71. If not for the price, this would be very tempting to me. You know I love to accessorize.

While we're on the subject of weird stuff, I'm going to mention the http://cgi.ebay.com/MARS-very-used-Sci-Fi-Star-Trek-Star-Wars-shadowrun_W0QQitemZ270546433031QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efdd2f407. This was an early FASA supplement, way back before they produced Shadowrun, and which they purchased from the creator and re-issued in a slimmer, sexier edition. It's basically a generic combat/mass-combat system. Despite the lister's mention, this book has nothing to do with Shadowrun. I mean, I guess you could use it with Shadowrun if you really really wanted to, I don't know why you would. Maybe the grognard content in your blood is low?

...while we're here, all of you, please. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1934857092/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_136?ie=UTF8&condition=all

Posted by: MJBurrage Mar 14 2010, 04:14 PM

Was Runner's Companion out of print for awhile ? It's the only reason—albeit not a good one—I can think of for such a crazy price.

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 14 2010, 04:37 PM

The dragonskin bidding ended, aw. Looks nice though.

On the price of runner's companion: that's nothing. I witnessed a copy of http://www.amazon.com/Stone-Sky-Trilogy-Graham-Edwards/dp/0006510701/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268584268&sr=8-9* for over $1000. Out of print? Yes. Worth 1 grand? Not unless it was signed by the author who somehow died in the last 3 years (Graham Edwards is still alive at the ripe young age of 45, even had a short email exchange with him about his books).

*I believe it was this book and one other, which I think was Stone & Sea, though it could have been one of the Dragoncharm trilogy too (the series are related, albeit a million years apart--there are two characters that appear in both and only one of them cheated by being immortal).

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 14 2010, 04:38 PM

i love how when it comes to electrical deaths, its the volts that gets mentioned, when the real issue is the watts.

iirc, a electrical cattle fence is 10000 volt, but the low watt makes it more painful then deadly (unless you get badly tangled in it, and it manages to shock your heart rhythm).

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 14 2010, 05:20 PM

...Wrong thread?

Posted by: hobgoblin Mar 14 2010, 06:15 PM

follow the fusion gate link, then read the flavor text on the card being sold.

Posted by: pbangarth Mar 14 2010, 06:34 PM

Not on eBay, and mine not for sale, but I thought I might see if this product is around anywhere.

At a Gencon long ago, maybe in Kenosha or in the first year or two in Milwaukee, there was a vendor who produced heavy, well-made t-shirts and sweatshirts onto which they embroidered on-site an image you selected from their catalog. I got a black sweatshirt with the Shadowrun dragon-skull-on-circuit-board-scroll logo on the chest. Really sturdy and durable. Many games of warm geekieness.

It's getting a bit worn around the neck and the sleeves after a couple of decades. Anybody know of someone who does this now?

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 14 2010, 06:50 PM

Ahh...there we go. Was lacking a reference.

But yes.

Volts jolt, amps vamp.

Posted by: Bull Mar 14 2010, 09:04 PM

I've seen the Dragonskin covers before. Chessex I don't think actually makes them anymore, but I remember actually seeing teh Shadowrun one at their booth many, many GenCons ago. I passed on buying it as I was low on $$, and I've been looking for one ever since

And damn, the SRTCG cards are going for way, way too much I'm still kicking myself for not buying more from STiggybaby's when they were clearancing them out

Bull

Posted by: pbangarth Mar 14 2010, 09:19 PM

One of the most common cries in the human condition: "If only..."

Posted by: nemafow Mar 14 2010, 10:15 PM

Oopps my bad on the dragonskin covers, apologies.

Posted by: Bull Mar 14 2010, 10:49 PM

EH, it happens. And I still have a bunch of rare and unique shadowrun items kicking around. <shrug>

Besides, the new Shadowrun books are thick enough that I don't think the Dragonskin would work on them anyways. I do have a blank black one kicking around that I kept on my SR3 LE, and it doesn't fit on my SR4 one.

Bull

Posted by: BookWyrm Mar 14 2010, 11:06 PM

There's a couple of Dragonskin book covers on Ebay, I just checked. No SR cover, but the CyberPunk 2020 one is there. Just put "Dragonskin" into the search. You'll get a few entries on 'dragonskin jewelry", but the covers are there.

Posted by: Method Mar 14 2010, 11:06 PM

I own two of these (one gold and one silver) and if I'd have seen this auction I would have payed way more than $10 to make sure I owned a third. They are great and I wish Chessex still made the SR version...

Posted by: nemafow Mar 15 2010, 01:00 AM

Can you confirm they fit on the SR4 books? (if you own any 4th books)

Posted by: Method Mar 15 2010, 02:31 AM

Thats a good question. I don't know off hand because one is on my copy of SR1 and the other is on one of my copies of SR3 and all are in storage currently. I could dig them out and let you know for sure, but my initial thoughts are that if they are long enough they would fit any of the SR4 core books except the BBB, which is likely too thick (though I know for sure they fit the SR3 BBB). I'll try to dig them out later, if I get a chance.

Posted by: nemafow Mar 15 2010, 02:35 AM

No don't take the trouble, was just wondering if you knew off the top of your head, either way mine are in the mail, so I will find out sooner or later

Posted by: Method Mar 15 2010, 03:14 AM

Did you find a supplier that still carries the SR Dragonskin?

Posted by: nemafow Mar 15 2010, 03:18 AM

I bought some of the ones that were advertised in a link in this post off ebay.

Posted by: Method Mar 15 2010, 03:22 AM

Nice.

"I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothin, but I think http://cgi.ebay.com/Dragonskin-Vinyl-Bookcover-Unicorn-II-8017-MINT_W0QQitemZ380091509887QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item587f382c7f#ht_2798wt_860!"

Posted by: Ancient History Mar 15 2010, 03:24 AM

http://www.daniellecorsetto.com/GWS666.html

Posted by: Mr. Man Mar 15 2010, 03:42 AM

http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF103-Nice_Shirt.gif

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 15 2010, 04:20 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicron kicks a lot of ass.

Oh. Unicorn. My mistake.

Posted by: Method Mar 15 2010, 04:33 AM

http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html.

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 15 2010, 03:45 PM

That game was weird (no, you're not the first person to link me to it). Once I realized that there were two controls I did fairly well.

Posted by: ravensmuse Mar 15 2010, 03:54 PM

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1374

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 15 2010, 04:02 PM

*Ducks as something flies over his head*

Posted by: BookWyrm Mar 15 2010, 11:53 PM

Is there an image of this legendary Dragonskin for Shadowrun? My search-fu has failed me.

Posted by: Draco18s Mar 16 2010, 12:05 AM

There is one at that link AH posted, though buried because the auction was over.

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/Starbase/dragonskin8029.jpg

Posted by: Ancient History Apr 20 2010, 09:48 PM

Been a bit of dead couple of weeks, so this is mostly a re-hash of a few interesting items that remain unsold.

First off, a warning: http://cgi.ebay.com/Denver-City-Shadows-Shadowrun-2nd-Ed-Roleplayi-/320517598059?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item4aa0566b6b

Starting off: Posters
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Promo-22-x-36-Poster-/390184283529?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad8cbad89
http://cgi.ebay.com/Poster-22-x34-Shadowrun-RPG-Feathered-Serpent-Aztlan-/290426111211?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item439ebec4eb
http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-PROMO-POSTER-/170305587268?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27a7010844

Another http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Cake-Walk-Card-autographed-John-Matson-/310121045232?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4834a79cf0. http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Ranger-X-CCG-Autographed-John-Matson-/310121746817?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4834b25181

A box of http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-METAL-FIGURE-SET-GRENADIER-NEW-AND-SEALED-/320519674182?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa0761946. The grognard in me does so love the old Grenadier boxes.

More old http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-cyberpunk-Fasa-Art-Earl-Geier-Maverick-/120558869861?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c11de5d65. At least, I'm pretty sure that one is SR. The cyberspurs and name are familiar, like something out of the Seattle Sourcebook.

A mint-in-box http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-MINT-DEMO-KIT-COMPLETE-BOX-WIZKIDS-/290424232631?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item439ea21ab7

Okay, this is old but there are now two copies of the http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-MANGA-BOOK-COMPLETE-SET-/230458332329?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a86314a9. http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-MANGA-BOOK-COMPLETE-SET-/230458332410?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a86314fa

Still one http://cgi.ebay.com/Dragonskin-Vinyl-Bookcover-Shadowrun-8029-MINT-/140391805584?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b000f290 left.

A vintage http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-3rd-Ed-Limited-Edition-Core-Rulebook-/350337707218?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5191c12cd2. BBB indeed. http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-3rd-Edition-Limited-Edition-hardcover-core-/220587335127?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335c079dd7

Posted by: Method Apr 20 2010, 11:17 PM

Nope.

Posted by: Bull Apr 21 2010, 12:04 AM

*sigh* I still regret the necessity of selling my BABY (THe BBB was the 1st and 2nd ed HBs (Big Blue Book and Big Black Book, respectively), the 3rd ed was the BABY (Black and Blue Yearbook). I don't think we ever came up with a good name for the SR4 one.

Ahh well

Bull

Posted by: Prime Mover Apr 21 2010, 12:19 AM

http://imagechan.com/images/win%20and%20god.jpeg

Posted by: ravensmuse Apr 21 2010, 02:14 AM

I was about *this* close to talking my girlfriend into buying this just now...and then I noticed the shipping.

G'damn. If anyone in the community wants to buy it, rip it, and scan it for the good of the community though...

Posted by: Kagetenshi Apr 21 2010, 02:34 AM

I must admit to being deeply tempted myself. Maybe if there's one still around when I wrap up my thesis.

~J

Posted by: Bull Apr 21 2010, 02:41 AM

See if you can get people to chip in towards it? Take up a collection?

Bull

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 21 2010, 10:10 AM

seeing minis makes me wonder what a 3D printer can be used for. That is, if it can produce small enough details...

Posted by: Stahlseele Apr 21 2010, 03:23 PM

Not all that much. Rapid Prototyping is still mostly in the prototyping phase instead of the rapid phase.
And let's not speak about the cost of this stuff. It's usually uni-colour, though people could paint them.
But those 3d-Printers still cost 10k+$ for the most part, if i remember the prices correctly.

Posted by: hobgoblin Apr 22 2010, 12:26 AM

HP sells one for around 15000 right now. But there is always the "build it yourself" route:
http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page

Posted by: Ancient History Jul 9 2010, 04:01 PM

It's been a while.

First up, http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-cyberpunk-Fasa-Art-Earl-Geier-Cyber-Eyes-/120592117646?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c13d9af8e. This one is a specific image from the classic module Dreamchipper. I had a brief nostalgia-fit when I saw it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Underworld-CCG-Shadowrun-Expansion-Booster-Box-Sealed-/170509052496?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b321aa50, for what amounts to a reasonable price...so far. Depends on the bidding.

I'm including this one for the WTF factor: http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowrun-Duels-Draven-Von-Drekill-Lot-14-Figure-NIB-/170509051358?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b321a5de I honestly can't tell if the seller is trying to offload just one or a box of 14 of the same figure. It's a mystery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SHADOWRUN-MEGA-CD-JP-NTSC-/200491941998?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eae40406e.

Speaking of video games, http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-genesis-original-Manual-Shadowrun-Shadow-Run-/330448997949?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4cf04b8e3d I will beat you with a show.

Posted by: Buio Jul 9 2010, 10:42 PM

Speaking of EBay, I was planning to acquire a handful of the old edition sourcebooks in time. As a newcomer to Shadowrun (with only 4th Edition experience) I understand that many of the old books still has great information about the world. Not gunning for a big collection, but wish to find a few books that has material that we probably wont see again (at least not for a while).

For example the two NAN books seems to be interesting. The group I play with has been playing a long Western campaign, which awakened an interest for the period in me (Western is a Swedish RPG, http://rollspel.com/western/spelet/w44.htm). Which also transfered to the Shadowrun Native American Nations. :)

Is it a good idea to get a few of the big event books too? Like the Comet ones and Renraku Archology for example.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Jul 10 2010, 05:52 AM

There's pay-per-piece services that will take your model and mail you back the printed pieces.

For miniature-sized stuff the prices aren't horrible. Not great, but if you're willing to shell out 20-40 bucks for a totaly custom fig, it's doable.

I use http://www.shapeways.com on occasion. They can even print metal pieces.



-karma

Posted by: Ryu Jul 10 2010, 08:15 AM

Jolly good idea. Where would one get the 3D-data?

Posted by: hermit Jul 10 2010, 10:38 AM

To be fair, there are some real gems among these - the Heintz cycle, the Hallmann sisters books, and - if you like the strange - the Cash books by that crazy Austrian. Der Schattenlehrling deserves a mention as the most stereotypical rape-heavy character background ever. While it sucks as a novel, the parodistic value cannot be denied. Also, Horizon-run child snuff porn BTL ring. Those might be good for translation and release, unless FanPro's demise and the zombie rump company somehow trying to hold onto publishing rights complicates matters too much. Of course, since there are reissuings by another printer, it seems someone headshot the FanPro Zombie ...

Mostly I agree though ... Nordlichter ... D'oh ...


Friend of mine does that the Gutenberg way - he does a negative with Silicon and replicates using Resin. Trickier and less cyberpunk thn the 3D printer, but infinitly cheaper, too. He's made himself everal 40K armies this way. Including tanks and all.

Also, has anything happened on the Manga front?

Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 10 2010, 10:52 AM

i'm sorry, but heitz is more or less the reason why i stopped reading the german produced shadowrun books . .

Posted by: hermit Jul 10 2010, 11:00 AM

It's brainless fun. But YMMV. I also enjoy the Smyth books whenever I can blank out what horrible sues he has for main characters. There's far worse among the German books IMO. Die Anfänger, Digitaler Alptraum, Hand am Hort, Böses Erwachen. The other Wiesler books (Altes Eisen, Feuerzauber, Im Namen des Herrn) are okay though. Again, YMMV.

Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 10 2010, 12:40 PM

I liked "Altes Eisen".
And Shelley.

Posted by: hermit Jul 10 2010, 12:43 PM

Shelley, right, forgot that. Hated Boeses Erwachen though. Guy crammed two perfectly fine characters into one and was like LOL Multiple Personalities LOL. Also, Baal the tripod. Was that supposed to be funny? Same penile fixiation as HaJo Alpers. What the hell.

Props for nuking Wurstphalen, though.

Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 10 2010, 01:18 PM

You remember the Character named "Larve" or something like that?
Look at Karl Ruprecht Kroenen . . That's him, right there . .

Posted by: hermit Jul 10 2010, 02:43 PM

Oh my god, the nazi steampunk cyberzombie. Yeah. That's perfect.

Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 10 2010, 02:49 PM

*nods* i thought so

Posted by: hermit Jul 10 2010, 02:56 PM

With Baal, I always thought of Mini-Me from the third Austin Powers movie, the "tripod" scene.