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Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 03:52 AM
For some reason I thought spirits had damage tracks, but it seems like attacking a spirit only reduces the amount of favors owed. But what about attacking a free spirit? How do you know when it's had enough?
Posted by: Draco18s Jul 19 2010, 03:55 AM
Spirits do have damage tracks, if either stun or physical is filled they are disrupted.
You're probably looking at banishing which is terrible.
Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 04:02 AM
You're probably looking at banishing which is terrible.
So spirits have both physical and stun damage tracks in both the material world and in astral space?
What about sprites?
Posted by: Draco18s Jul 19 2010, 04:44 AM
Yes.
Matrix Condition Monitor.
Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 05:36 AM
Matrix Condition Monitor.
Ah, yes - so does Pilot replace System in that regard? For determining the length of damage tracks?
Posted by: Yerameyahu Jul 19 2010, 05:37 AM
Yes, Pilot *is* System. It's actually kind of a pain, because you can't upgrade System without upgrading the whole Pilot. 
Pricier. I'd rather house-rule that Pilot is a special program that also runs, and then you could upgrade System as you pleased. 
Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 05:38 AM
Also, what happens to a spirit in both the material world and in astral space when the stun damage track is filled, and what happens to an astral projector?
Posted by: Badmoodguy88 Jul 19 2010, 07:17 AM
They. Go to their metaplane if they are like free spirits. It used to be a mystery. If they are like free spirits: if their damage overflow is greater than thier will(I think) they lose a point of force.
Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 04:03 PM
What I really mean to ask is what happens as far as gameplay is concerned. When a player's stun track is filled in meatspace, he falls unconscious and can no longer act. I'm curious as to whether or not this happens when a player is in the astral, and whether or not spirits are removed from the action when stun damage fills.
Posted by: Mäx Jul 19 2010, 04:12 PM
WHen spirits damage track fills up they're distrupted and go back to their metaplane.
Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 04:52 PM
So then I assume that it's possible to do physical damage to a materialized spirit, and if that track fills up then the spirit is destroyed?
And what about magicians in the astral, what happens when their stun track fills?
Posted by: Yerameyahu Jul 19 2010, 05:08 PM
They pass out.
Posted by: Draco18s Jul 19 2010, 06:30 PM
Their material form is destroyed and the spirit is sent back to the astral.
Posted by: chinagreenelvis Jul 19 2010, 08:27 PM
What happens to their astral form? Does it dissipate and return to the body somehow? Is it estranged in limbo?
As for spirits, it sounds like the spirit goes bye-bye if either damage track fills. Correct?
Posted by: Yerameyahu Jul 19 2010, 08:35 PM
I assume the astral form evaporates, but I dunno, now that you ask. :/
Posted by: Draco18s Jul 19 2010, 09:07 PM
The mage falls unconscious and is no longer projecting.
Posted by: Abschalten Jul 19 2010, 09:10 PM
Here's a related question that I was grappling with as a GM the other night:
Do spirits with damage suffer wound modifiers to their rolls?
Case in point my PCs were beating up on a spirit and one of them Attack of Willed it for 9P damage (good job, DocChase!) I couldn't decide whether the spirit got a -3 on its roll or not. I couldn't find anything confirming or denying the position as I flipped through the books, so I figured I'd toss it to you all, who are probably better rules lawyers than I am.
Posted by: Draco18s Jul 19 2010, 09:11 PM
Yes.
Posted by: Abschalten Jul 19 2010, 09:12 PM
Got any page references? I'm not doubting you, I'd just like to see it for myself on paper.
Posted by: Draco18s Jul 19 2010, 09:21 PM
he suffers certain effects that simulate the effects of real-life
injuries. For every 3 boxes of cumulative damage taken on a
Condition Monitor track, the character suffers a –1 wound modifier.
These wound modifiers are cumulative, so a character who
has taken 6 boxes of Physical and 3 boxes of Stun suffers a total –3
wound modifier.
Note how it says "a character" and "a Condition Monitor."
Condition monitors are:
Physical
Stun
Matrix
(Astral uses the P and S tracks).
Nothing about spirits says that they are exempt from this rule.
Posted by: Abschalten Jul 19 2010, 09:24 PM
Eh, I suppose I could take that. I just wish it had been more explicit in the spirit section that, yes, they do take wound mods when they are damaged.
Posted by: Ard3 Jul 19 2010, 10:28 PM
Why wouldnt they take wound mods?
Unless otherwise noted, everything follows base rules.
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