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Posted by: Triggvi Sep 17 2010, 09:15 PM

On the excel character sheet it does, but I can't find a reference to where it tells me that. Can anyone help me with that?

Posted by: Laodicea Sep 17 2010, 09:44 PM

It's a house rule. One that I personally find reasonable.

Posted by: Karoline Sep 17 2010, 11:03 PM

Wait, why would it increase availability by 3 if you have good access to it? Shouldn't it decrease it?

Posted by: Triggvi Sep 18 2010, 12:07 AM

it increases the availability you can purchase by 3 instead of being limited avail 12

Posted by: Karoline Sep 18 2010, 12:11 AM

Ah, that makes more sense.

Posted by: Triggvi Sep 18 2010, 12:14 AM

sorry I didn't make that clear.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Sep 18 2010, 04:01 AM

Huh, if you're talking about this one:
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=23735

You're right. It's a house rule and as such should have a toggle to turn it on or off, but it appears hard-coded into many of the pages.

The way the quality is supposed to work, aside from the 10% nuyen cost discount, is give you a +3 dice pool bonus when negotiating for the selected gear category.

Mebbe bring it up in that thread?





-karma

Posted by: Yerameyahu Sep 18 2010, 04:04 AM

I don't trust that Quality in the first place. It seems too easy to abuse.

Posted by: Triggvi Sep 18 2010, 04:14 AM

10% discount is nothing. that means out 250k you get a 25k discount if your spend everything on that cat. Not an abuse at all.

type o system is an abuse waiting to happen.

Posted by: Yerameyahu Sep 18 2010, 04:19 AM

It's not the discount that's abusive. It's the 'always works' and then combining it with the social rules. A quick Dumpshock search should give some examples.

Posted by: Triggvi Sep 18 2010, 04:27 AM

if the GM lets it be abusive in game then it is the gm's fault. The book doesn't over ride GM it is the other way around. You get bonuses not auto success.

Posted by: Yerameyahu Sep 18 2010, 04:33 AM

You could say that about every rule. Obviously it's true, but it's not very relevant for comparing relative 'abusability'.

It says, "This contact can always buy or sell that contraband on the black market at a price that benefits the character.", and there are easy social boosts to those roles. That's what 'always works' was in reference to.

Posted by: Dwight Sep 18 2010, 04:36 AM

Whoa, yeah.

As the person (AKA blakkie) that first added a house rule ability to that spreadsheet I'll confirm that is EXACTLY why I added the toggle section at the same time. My reasoning was that for the tool to stay relevant it had to support RAW, even where it allows you to optionally colour outside the lines. That that generator of humble beginnings is still in use, and being supported with new material, well over 4 years after it was created I think in part speaks to the foresight in that thinking.

Posted by: Yerameyahu Sep 18 2010, 04:40 AM

Hah! A gaming tool that supports RAW instead of an ever-changing, never-agreed-upon set of personal house rules? What a concept.

Posted by: Dwight Sep 18 2010, 04:43 AM

On the flipside it is a tool that supports some house rules (meaning actual calculations and enforement done for it, rather than just turning into a glorified Notepad.exe).

Posted by: Yerameyahu Sep 18 2010, 04:45 AM

Right: Notepad++ is the glorified version.

One nice effect of 'supporting' specific house rules is that all users get to see those house rules and go, 'huh… that's interesting.' That can be fun and useful.

Posted by: Dwight Sep 18 2010, 04:55 AM

Notepad++ is better than "a glorified Notepad.exe".

BTW I've crosslinked this thread to bring it to DamienKnight's attention. I see he's still cranking out revisions, last one less than a month ago.

Posted by: Thirty Second Artbomb Sep 18 2010, 06:17 AM

Settings tab, under Campaign Settings, just below Starting Availability Limit. Set the number next to Blackmarket Availability Bonus to 0 if you aren't using that houserule.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Sep 18 2010, 04:44 PM

I'll note that this particular houserule function appears as early as revision D of the sheet, before there was a separate Settings tab. If you are using older versions of the sheet, you may have to either manually correct all the problem cells, or upgrade to a newer revision.


-karma