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Dumpshock Forums _ Shadowrun _ Wanted: The Chaingun from "All Tommorow's Parties"
Posted by: Gerzel Jul 25 2011, 10:42 PM
There was a gun in William Gibson's "All Tommorow's Parties" that I would like to have stats for. The chaingun. If you read the book you'll know which gun I'm talking about. The one the antiques dealer on the bridge kept hidden in the wall for a friend.
Trying to figure out what this would be stat-wise in SR4.
This thing was non-re-loadable, and built with nanofac processes basically being a directional bomb with a trigger launching shrapnel chains at a target or targets doing a lot of damage over a wide area with a single shot.
Anyone have any insights/ideas?
Posted by: Udoshi Jul 26 2011, 04:13 AM
It would help a lot if you posted a description of the gun's capabilities in action.
Stat me! threads work a lot better when you have something to work off of. Just sayin.
Posted by: Lanlaorn Jul 26 2011, 04:54 AM
Here, I'll help him with that:
"Chain gun," Fontaine said. "Disposable. Can't reload it. Caseless:
this long square thing's the cartridges and the barrel in one. No-moving parts to it: ignition's electrical. Two buttons here, where the trigger would be, you just point it, press 'em both the same time. It'll do that four times. Four charges."
"Why do they call it a chain gun?"
"What this is, Martial says, it's more like a directional grenade, you understand? Or sort of like a portable fragmentation mine. Main thing he told me is you don't use it in any kind of confined space, and you only use it when there's nobody in front of you you don't mind seeing get really fucked up."
"So what's the chain part?"
Fontaine reached over and tapped the fat square barrel lightly, once, with his forefinger. "In here. Thing's packed with four hundred two-foot lengths of super-fine steel chain, sharp as razor wire."
Rydell hefted the thing by its two grips, keeping his fingers away from those buttons. "And that-"
"Makes hamburger," Fontaine said.
Posted by: Udoshi Jul 26 2011, 04:56 AM
Sounds like a rifle sized sakura fubuki.
Posted by: Tanegar Jul 26 2011, 05:50 AM
Not really. A Sakura Fubuki is just a fancy machine pistol. This thing is more like a portable Claymore mine. I'd stat it like a really big area-effect flechette weapon. Something like 20P, AP +5.
Posted by: Udoshi Jul 26 2011, 06:01 AM
Bigger Bangalore torpedo, perhaps?
Or am i mixing up my shadow terminology?
I'm fairly certain something like this could be made up with Arsenal's advanced demolitions rules, anyway.
Posted by: Tanegar Jul 26 2011, 06:16 AM
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore_torpedo seems to be basically a big pipe bomb, if I'm reading the article right. You're probably right about being able to build something similar to the chain gun using demolitions rules, though.
Posted by: LurkerOutThere Jul 26 2011, 06:40 AM
It's a street sweeper/fancy IED as envisioned by a writer who never fired a gun.
Posted by: Erik Baird Jul 26 2011, 06:47 AM
The closest real-world equivalent would probably be one of the Metal Storm guns. The effects description does sound more like a Claymore, though.
Posted by: The Jopp Jul 26 2011, 07:10 AM
It essentially sounds like a support weapon sized version of the Sakura Fubuki firing flechettes.
Quick statting:
Cost: 4000Y (slightly cheaper than usual HMG due to being disposable)
Damage: 7P[f] (As Heavy Machine Gun but Flechettes)
AP: +2 (HMG has -3 so I add +5)
Modes: BF/FA
Barrels: 4
Ammo Per Barrel: 20
Ammo Total: 80 (since it cannot have belt feed I gave it a bit more ammo)
Mods: Electronic Firing, High-Velocity, Gas Vent 3, Smartgun Link
Special
Can fire Normal Burst
Normal Burst use Sakura Fubuki Rules
BF gives same recoil as SA mode
Gas Vent only functional in FA mode
Disposable - Cannot be reloaded
Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 26 2011, 12:54 PM
Yes, a Bangalore Torpedo is indeed a big Pipe Bomb. It is sectional, and can be pieced together to form bigger pipes. It is generally used to clear wire obstacles in depth. They are a fun explosive device.
Posted by: The Jopp Jul 26 2011, 01:19 PM
Arent all explosives fun?
Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 26 2011, 01:32 PM
Indeed they are... But some are more fun than others.
It is even more enjoyable when you have no limits on what you do. Crammed 80 pounds of C4, 2x 15 pound cratering charges, 1x 40 pound cratering charge, and about 50 pounds of TNT into a van once just to see what would happen. It was quite impressive indeed.
Another time we ran a ring charge with about 300 pounds of C4. Fun times.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 26 2011, 01:38 PM
this is basically a mono-grenade-launcher that only uses the grenades as a sort of holder for the mono-wire-flechette . . so it's basically a BIG shotgun that electrically shoots BIG projectiles which fall appart after leaving the barrel and make loads of monowire fly . .
Posted by: The Jopp Jul 26 2011, 01:48 PM
So perhaps the above profile but adding a choke setting like shotguns - that way multiple people can get hit.
Posted by: Stahlseele Jul 26 2011, 01:49 PM
Or use a PAC with electric firing and use normal splash damage rules?
Posted by: Daier Mune Aug 10 2011, 04:23 AM
Little bit of thread necromancy, here.
He carries it as a heavy weapon, like an assault cannon, or even a rocket launcher. They make 40mm grenades that fragment in the barrel, functioning like a large-scale shotgun, maybe this "Chain Gun" is a disposeable rocket launcher version of that?
Same damage as anti-personel rocket, but with wide-choke shotgun rules.
Posted by: Gerzel Aug 10 2011, 05:33 AM
He carries it as a heavy weapon, like an assault cannon, or even a rocket launcher. They make 40mm grenades that fragment in the barrel, functioning like a large-scale shotgun, maybe this "Chain Gun" is a disposeable rocket launcher version of that?
Same damage as anti-personel rocket, but with wide-choke shotgun rules.
Now that would work.
Heck if SR can get away with monowire. It can handle this.
Posted by: Kliko Aug 10 2011, 06:13 AM
Sounds like a shotgun conversion of the Sakura Fubuki loaded with bola rounds.
Posted by: Hound Aug 10 2011, 07:02 AM
This. I dunno why some people are saying it should have +5 AP, it sounds like it shoots monofilament whips, basically.
Posted by: Hound Aug 10 2011, 07:02 AM
ignore this, accidental double post.
Posted by: Neurosis Aug 10 2011, 06:20 PM
Actually, my interpretation of that text differs somewhat from the stats someone provided above.
Cost: You can't build one of these, but you can make one.
Damage: 18P(f)
AP: +5 [Impact]
Modes: SS
Ammo: 4 (non-reloadable)
Uses Heavy Weapons skill but Shotgun rules and ranges.
The thing is not anything like an actual 'chaingun' (minigun), it sounds more like a flak cannon to me. The fact that it has 'four charges' indicates to me that it's not full auto at all, rather it has four shots each of which unleashes a huge shit-storm of death.
Posted by: scarius Aug 11 2011, 06:11 AM
Cost: You can't build one of these, but you can make one.
Damage: 18P(f)
AP: +5 [Impact]
Modes: SS
Ammo: 4 (non-reloadable)
Uses Heavy Weapons skill but Shotgun rules and ranges.
The thing is not anything like an actual 'chaingun' (minigun), it sounds more like a flak cannon to me. The fact that it has 'four charges' indicates to me that it's not full auto at all, rather it has four shots each of which unleashes a huge shit-storm of death.
this is the same interpretation that i have of it, i would only give it a smart-link, shotgun choke, and a blast of 1-10m (controlled by the choke)
Posted by: Faelan Aug 11 2011, 10:32 AM
It is even more enjoyable when you have no limits on what you do. Crammed 80 pounds of C4, 2x 15 pound cratering charges, 1x 40 pound cratering charge, and about 50 pounds of TNT into a van once just to see what would happen. It was quite impressive indeed.
Another time we ran a ring charge with about 300 pounds of C4. Fun times.
Reminds me of when EOD at Camp Geiger was bored and decided to run an MOS grade demo course for all the Infantry Instructors. We had about 80 Vietnam Era Claymores scheduled for use or disposal, and set them off at the signal. Fortunately someone was filming, nothing like seeing thousands of little impact marks in the dirt when there was nothing there before.
Ring charges are always fun. especially when someone sends down electrical blasting caps for it. I always hated electrical blasting caps.
Posted by: Kliko Aug 11 2011, 10:41 AM
Pics/Vids or it didn't happen
Posted by: Draco18s Aug 11 2011, 11:47 AM
The name is a joke, much like Reason in Snow Crash. ("They'll listen to Reason" "Are you crazy? We just tried that." "No, this is reason." Pulls out a full auto minigun with uranium rounds out of a breifcase.)
The gun fires lengths of chain, hence "chain gun."
Posted by: Neurosis Aug 11 2011, 10:15 PM
Yep, read both books and get that. : )
But the previous stats someone had posted looked more like an actual chaingun.
Posted by: Sengir Aug 12 2011, 12:21 AM
*beep* You have just triggered one of my pet peeves:
A chaingun is a single-barreled machine cannon where the action is cycled by an external motor instead of using recoil or gas pressure. Power transmission is often done with a roller chain, hence the name.
"Minigun" and "Gatling Gun" refer to weapons with multiple barrels in a rotating configuration. Both are actually names of weapons, but have become something like generic brand names.
And just for completeness, a revolver cannon is something different again. Basically it's a gatling-style weapon which rotates only the chambers but fires through a single barrel.
OK, enough nitpicking...the stats look fine (well, 18(f) nuts, but that's what this weapon is supposed to be
), I'd just add chunky salsa rules to reflect the warning about confined spaces.
Posted by: Draco18s Aug 12 2011, 12:53 AM
A chaingun blah blah blah
Ahem:
The gun fires lengths of chain, hence "chain gun."
Posted by: Sengir Aug 12 2011, 08:42 AM
Ahem: *points to the quote I was responding to"
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