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Posted by: Shortstraw Jul 26 2011, 10:58 AM

Let's say I buy a skyswimmer from unfriendly skies (p27) it has amenities (mid) and I decide to live in my zeppelin. How much of a discount on lifestyle costs would I get?

Posted by: Aerospider Jul 26 2011, 11:42 AM

The easiest way to do this would be to use the advanced lifestyle rules in RC (if you aren't already) and work out what levels you should be paying for.

Comfort – Probably not high since your furniture will be limited by space.
Entertainment – Your choice.
Necessities – Very low, probably no more than Squatter.
Neighbourhood – Tricky one and depends on whether you intend to live in the air or in a private air field. If up in the air then I would put this at Street level (so to speak!) since there's nothing to do, nowhere to go, etc.
Security – Your choice, depending upon what locks, Matrix security and contracted security services you are interested in.

Posted by: HunterHerne Jul 26 2011, 12:02 PM

I mostly agree with Aerospider, excpet for a couple things. For Neighbourhood, I doubt you`d have many places to land, safely, in order to actually leave your zeppelin, so I would take that into account, a well. As for necessities, I`d think that would include refueling the blimp once in a while, as well as food costs, and maintenance (parts, the occassional inspector or something), so squatter might be a little low.

Posted by: suoq Jul 26 2011, 12:24 PM

Technically, none.

You can use the optional lifestyle rules (pg 150, Runner's companion) to build a lifestyle you think works for what you want, but living in the Zep doesn't save you any nuyen off an X lifestyle.

Posted by: The Jopp Jul 26 2011, 12:46 PM

Fuel would not be a problem.

You can easily take a large/medium drone modified with a special equipment and/or multiple additional fueltank and gridlink connection. Let it land somewhere, charge btteries and go up to the mothership.

I think we could whip out a zeppelin lifestyle rather easily.

Smuggler Mechanic Contact (For continous maintenance)
Smuggler Havens Knowledge Skill (For emergency landing areas
Refuelling Drone (Special Equipment: Fueltanks - Count as X amount of additional fueltanks)
Maintenance Drone (Give it Aeronauticts toolkit and Rail propulsion to zip around the hull to inspect it)

Posted by: Doc Byte Jul 26 2011, 12:51 PM

Time to get something like this: http://www.monacocoach.com/monaco/products/signature

Posted by: MJBurrage Jul 26 2011, 01:04 PM

But for a Rigger, a plain bus sized motor home is too boring. You need:

• "Performance" http://www.volkner-mobil.de/Reisemo/R_english/Perf_en.html

Posted by: The Jopp Jul 26 2011, 01:24 PM

Simple.

Conestoga Vista
+Amenities Luxury
+Special Equipment [Car Docking bay/Garage]
+Eurocar Westwind
+Pimped Ride 2

*edit*

You might want the extras too.

+Theft Protection
+Concealed Armor

Posted by: Doc Byte Jul 26 2011, 04:32 PM

Perhaps add an amphibious operation pack... -> http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm

Posted by: Aku Jul 26 2011, 04:41 PM

I actually think security should be on the high end, assuming you're living in it as it flies around. Even just the physical aspect of it being in the air is going to make it significantly more difficult to break into. I can almost see some corp taking advantage of this idea... "Sky, the ultimate morphing neighborhood" and "Dont like your neighbors? Fly your home someplace else!"

Posted by: Miri Jul 26 2011, 04:52 PM

And with a Multilaunch Drone Rack installed can have a small horde of Dragonfly drones on patrol or ready standby for defense. So from what I've seen, at least 3 Drone racks.. the Multilaunch for the wasp defense, a Small Lander for the Medium refueling drone and a Large Lander for your Air to Ground tender to get you down for your run.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 26 2011, 04:54 PM

The Special Machinery Modification works out better for that Helo Landing Pad you always wanted.

Posted by: Mardrax Jul 26 2011, 05:30 PM

Slap SunCell on it to get rid of that silly refueling thing, the vast majority of times.

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 27 2011, 12:29 AM

My two cents, if I may. If I were treating the vehicle (what ever kind) as a Lifestyle then I would either accept the amenities as Necessities and Comfort as a bought permanent lifestyle, with Neighborhood being a non-item and the rest being chosen as register Advanced Lifestyles options OR I would just get creative with the full Advanced Lifestyles and not make the runners buy the vehicle. If you are paying for Necessities and the like then I would count that as making payments on the vehicle.

Posted by: BishopMcQ Jul 27 2011, 12:35 AM

How much of a mod would it be to launch the cars from the sideport while the RV is still driving? Presuming you get in through a hatch in the floor...

Posted by: CanRay Jul 27 2011, 12:48 AM

And, now that we have a houseboat...

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 27 2011, 12:52 AM

...we must always worry about people with scuba gear, mops, explosives, and a knowledge of historic TV shows featuring burned spies.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 27 2011, 01:26 AM

Or the ME that worked with http://www.arrogantworms.com/music/sam-the-guy-from-quincy/.

...

What was that old guy's name again?

Posted by: Mardrax Jul 27 2011, 01:43 AM

Quick question: does the houseboat have Ballast Tanks like every post-War! ship? If not, it needs some.

Posted by: Doc Byte Jul 27 2011, 08:33 AM

No mod at all, if you get something like http://www.vario-mobil.com/prnews/2814/2814_7319_IQ-Garage+FS_Vorschau.jpg. Just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlstdCWzCY.

Posted by: hermit Jul 27 2011, 09:41 AM

This gets more intereting with th MCT houseboat from Deadly Waves. I suppose the vehicle counts as a partially bought expanded lifestyle, the Nescessities. At least, the houseboat's price and permanent mid nescessities kind of pans out, price-wise.

Posted by: Traul Jul 27 2011, 01:16 PM

Necessities also include water and power bills, so the vehicle should not completely include them.

Posted by: hermit Jul 27 2011, 01:57 PM

It has SunCell for energy, and for water it uses filtration? It's not like a ship lacks contact with water in general.

Posted by: Draco18s Jul 27 2011, 02:14 PM

Please. You know you want the kind of life http://www.pano360.ru/vtours/mars-500/station/tour.html have.

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 27 2011, 07:10 PM

Honestly I think the easiest solution, from the designers side, would be to place it as a very limited set of Lifestyle Qualities. I'm On A Boat -10.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 27 2011, 07:12 PM

With RVs, Houseboats, and now a Zeppelin, this does raise an interesting question. Probably have to stop off to get supplies on a regular basis, and maintenance of the vehicle (So you pay lifestyle from that.).

Gives me ideas...

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 27 2011, 07:35 PM

The only foreseeable problem with the zeppelin is being hunted down...

Scorned Johnson: "I need you to eliminate a group of people."
Face: "Well we'll have to find them and..."
SJ: "Well they're in a zeppelin above the city."
Face: "Oh... Well then there is the complication of an attack..."
SJ: "There is an RPG in the dumpster outside. I just need you to accept the money and tell me you have someone who can aim the damn thing."

Posted by: CanRay Jul 27 2011, 07:46 PM

RV has all the problems of a car.

Houseboats can sink.

Regular apartments don't move at all.

Living in an office isn't even a good idea, look at what happened to Harry Dresden. (And he just paid the rent for the month, too!).

Posted by: KCKitsune Jul 27 2011, 07:48 PM

The same thing can be done with a hit on the Runner's home. If I fire a HE rocket into his home, he's most likely going to be in a world of hurt.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 27 2011, 07:50 PM

Hense my statement about apartments not moving at all. Any base of operations, be it mobile or stationary, is going to be a target.

That Street Lifestyle is starting to look better all the time, isn't it?

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 27 2011, 07:56 PM

Well Street is good but I'm thinking of those positive qualities that make it harder for you to be tracked down. After that it comes down to how clever the runners/players are. But, point taken.

Posted by: Mäx Jul 27 2011, 08:08 PM

I'm actually leaning more towards the SENDAKU MARLIN (YACHT) as a home for some of my characters builds, it's cheaper then the houseboat and has high amenities.

Posted by: Doc Byte Jul 27 2011, 08:08 PM

That's why I don't buy a house in the Sprawl I'm running in. Preferably it's on another continent or at least in another city. Recently my character moved from his house on Hawai'i (with a base of operations in Seattle) into a bigger one in New Monaco and a semi-legal life as a maritime treasure hunter with occasional runs.

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 27 2011, 08:16 PM

Why my face lives in an Arc and NEVER takes on the parent corp if he gets wind of it.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 28 2011, 01:29 AM

Yeah, but does it have a SHOWER?

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 28 2011, 01:32 AM

For high amenities it better a female willing to give sponge baths. For luxury it is multiple females.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 28 2011, 01:41 AM

Or men. Or changlings. Or Nagas who tongue bathe you.

All depends on your personal taste.

Posted by: Grinchy McScrooge Jul 28 2011, 01:53 AM

I have to admit, as soon as I got my hands on Deadly Waves, I had vision of http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p4I9kL_myy0/SuQV5Z2i6yI/AAAAAAAACRw/WZpzTKEelLE/s1600-h/thunderball+lunchbox.jpg dancing through my head.

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 28 2011, 02:10 AM

Naughty Night-Elf Night Nurses.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 28 2011, 02:39 AM

Bisexual Elf Stripper Ninjas. Show, bathing, and security all in one payment.

Posted by: Udoshi Jul 28 2011, 06:34 AM

What about for the other sex? Need some considerations for the ladies.

A security staff full of luchadore poolboys?

Posted by: hobgoblin Jul 28 2011, 06:43 AM

Hardwired, anyone?

Posted by: CanRay Jul 28 2011, 07:45 AM

I mentioned men. And Changlings which might have both sexes, or some weird thing that looks like a sexual organ as done by the team of H.R. Giger and M. C. Escher who were both on an acid trip.

And I also did stipulate Bisexual Elf Stripper Ninjas without stating what sex they were as well, so, if you're into Bishōnen...

Posted by: The Jopp Jul 28 2011, 08:00 AM

It has ruthenium polymer coating and is nigh invisible.
It has sensor dampening coating and laughts against your rigger trying to lock it
It's at 10'000 feet looking down at all the ants...

It just launched several drones...
4 attack drones to take out the team
1 to pick up the laundry
1 to refuel the large fueltank for the zeppelin

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 28 2011, 12:44 PM

The character I play has a Zeppelin (one of the Massive ones) kitted out in Luxury.
He flies at 15,000 Feet...
Has the Drones you speak of...
No Ruthenium Coating though
It is quite nice.

Posted by: Elfenlied Jul 28 2011, 12:49 PM

My next character is so getting a team of Bisexual Futanari Elf Stripper Ninjas in maid costumes as part of his household.

CanRay, you've been an endless source of inspiration for me thus far. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: CanRay Jul 28 2011, 04:35 PM

Best. Roommates. Ever!!!

Posted by: Christian Lafay Jul 29 2011, 01:45 AM

So THAT is what that quality is for....

Posted by: CanRay Jul 29 2011, 01:46 AM

Of course!

BTW: One of my players made a place that had some of the worst qualities one could think of, including a Roommate that stayed there and maintained the place.

The guy was a driver for Ghoul Cab who walked around the house in an undersized houserobe.

Along with all the other issues, the group decided that being hunted wasn't so bad after all.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 29 2011, 02:08 PM

Luftschiffbau Zeppelin/Harland & Wolfe
Classique IVz Air Yacht (Zeppelin Yacht)

This Super Yacht is the brainchild of designer Roman Abramovich, and brings together two of the most influential companies in Zeppelin and Yacht design and construction. In the year 2066, Luftschiffbau Zeppelin, in partnership with Harland & Wolfe, introduced the Classicque IVz Air Yacht. It was an immediate success with the Rich and Famous throughout the world. The most Interesting thing about this Yacht is that it may be customized to the individuals own tastes and requirements. It is the ultimate in Luxury Living. But wait, THERE'S MORE. With the Classique IVz, you never have to worry about being without power ever again, as it has been equipped with the latest in state-of-the-art SunCell Technologies systems that allow it to stay in the air almost indefinitely.

Std. Upgrades: Lighter than Air (Includes Level 2 Improved takeoff and Landing), Luxury Accommodations and Amenities (Yacht).

Base Operational Time: 480 Hours (At Cruising Speeds) to 960 Hours (Station-Keeping). Sun Cell technologies extend this time out dramatically.
Operational Ceiling: 5,000 Meters (16,250 Feet)

Handling -3
Accel 5/10
Speed 30
Pilot 1
Body 36
Armor 16
Sensor 6

Basic Upgrades: (33/36)
• Additional Fuel Cells: 3 (Provides Additional Hours of Operational Time Each), Slots: 3, Cost: 3,000¥
• Improved Economy (Double Operational Time), Slots: 1, Cost: 1,500¥
• Suncell Power Systems (Double Operation Time in Daylight, Recharge Time is 2 Hours per Hour of Operation), Slots: 1, Cost: 18,000¥
• Improved Sensor Array (30 Points of Sensors), Slots: 1, Cost: 1,000¥
• Enhanced Image Screens, Slots: 1, Cost: 3,600¥
• Improved Armor, Standard, Rating 18, Slots: 1, Cost: 3,600¥
• Standard Weapon Mounts: 4 (Normal, Fixed, Remote), Slots: 4, Cost: 6,000¥
o Each Affixed with a Laser System (+16 Dice Defense), Cost: 120,000¥
• Missile Defense System, Slots: 1, Cost: 10,000¥
• Lock-On Countermeasures (-3 Active Targeting Bonus Dice), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
• Large Drone Landing Rack, Slots: 6, Cost: 20,000¥
• Special Machinery (Drone Bay attached to Drone Rack, Holds up to 12 Large Drones, with a Maintenance Area to Service the Drones/Shop), Slots: 2, Cost: 5,000¥
• Special Machinery (PMV Bay, Holds up to 12 PMV’s/Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
• Special Machinery (Hacking Command Center/Facility), Slots: 1, Cost: 100,000¥
• Special Machinery (Cloud Scoops to Harvest/Purify Water/Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
• Special Machinery (Food & Perishable Warehousing/Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
• Satellite Communications Array, Slots: 1, Cost: 500
• Signature Masking 2 (Reduce Sensors by 2 for Detection), Slots: 2, Cost: 4,000¥
• Gridlink Hookup for Docking Port to Recharge Fuel Cells. Slots: 1, Cost: 750¥
• Interior Cameras. Slots: 1, Cost: 3,600¥
• Winch with Receiving Bay (Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
• Extra Entry/Egress Points (Cargo Bays, and Emergency Exits), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥


Luftschiffbau Zeppelin H&W Classique IVz

The Luftschiffbau Zeppelin H&W Classique IVz is in a class all by itself. Measuring an impressive one hundred and ten meters (358 Feet) in length, it is a shameless display of decadence and wealth. A yacht of this size usually has six decks (two lower, 2 Main, and 2 Upper Decks). Typically, a yacht of this size includes the following accommodations and amenities:

The Lower deck possesses an exterior atmospheric platform at the stern; Six guest cabins with en-suite bath or shower rooms aft, a medical centre, and the engine room amidships. Additionally, the Drone maintenance facility and Drone Rack is located here. The two Main decks share a sheltered exterior deck aft leading into the main salon, dining room and galley. There is an entrance amidships, next to the owner's tandem suites, located forward. In addition, there is a Sim-Deck enhanced cinema with an expansive Simsense library, a playroom, and additional living areas such as a separate bar, secondary dining room, private sitting rooms and a library. Also included are several jacuzzi, sauna and steam rooms, along with an enclosed Swimming Pool and Plunge Pool (with an optional wave-maker). In addition, there is a small PMV bay located here that stores up to a dozen PMV’s for ready use.
The Upper decks boasts an exterior deck aft, often used for outdoor dining, a second salon (often called the sky lounge) a wet bar inside and outside, a sixth stateroom will be amidships if it is not on the lower deck or part of the owner's suite, a fully equipped gym (may also be on the lower deck or part of the owner's suite), and a Command/Communications Facility and Bridge. There is a Sun deck on the roof of the upper deck, which also features a Jacuzzi and a helicopter landing platform.

An entertainment package that includes all of the best SimSense feeds throughout the world, Large AR and VR entertainment hookups, and a complete satellite and modern communications array.

Additional Facilities aboard the yacht include an atmospheric processing plant that extracts the water from the atmosphere and purifies it for consumption. There are several large holding tanks to store the output. In addition, this processor provides an additional source for the gasses that fill the zeppelin, to minimize the loading and storage of atmospheric gasses. There is also a very large food and perishable storage facility, to reduce re-supply functions.



I like this particular setup, personally. Makes a Nice Vehicle to live in...

Posted by: CanRay Jul 29 2011, 05:27 PM

Howard Hughes did not dream big enough, it seems...

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 29 2011, 05:32 PM

Nope...
In our campaign, those are available like any Custom Yacht. The fact that they are customized prior to delivery makes them even more of an elitst prodcut, since no two are exactly alike. My Cyberlogician is thoroughly enjoying his. Of course, he is, for all intents and purposes, retired at this point.

Posted by: CanRay Jul 29 2011, 05:33 PM

Oh come on, no one really retires from the Shadows...

Even if you're not doing it for the money, there's old enemies, old scores, old friends... And can you really live a nice, boring life of leisure after what you've been through before?

They come back. They always come back.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 29 2011, 05:44 PM

This is true indeed...

The Charactrer is not running the Shadows with a group currently, he is on a mission to eliominate his "Control" from Ares (Currently located in Japan) who killed his Girlfriend (who is now a Semi-Autonomous Knowbot (High Rating Agent/Metasapient AI) in a Heavily Modified Ottomo Drone, Long Story). Unfortunately, it is a Solo Thing that is better left off the Table for a bit. So that is where he is currently occupied. Eventually, he may come back, or he may not. Who knows.

Wish I was better at writing. It is a realy interesting Story...

Posted by: KarmaInferno Jul 29 2011, 06:35 PM

What, the lower deck doesn't detach to form an aerospace fighter jet?







-k

Posted by: CanRay Jul 29 2011, 06:39 PM

And I'll form the head!

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 29 2011, 07:37 PM

That would just be Silly...
I took a modern Super Yacht and added LTA to it. Then added some interesting modifications for Shadowrun purposes...

Posted by: Dahrken Jul 29 2011, 08:03 PM

Just one minor quip with your "Zeppelin yacht" concept : I feel you packed far too much stuff in the fluff for plausibility considering the size of the craft and the lifting capacity you can expect.

The 200 000 cubic meter of hydrogen in the 245 meters Hindenbourg lifted about 250 metric tons, and a 110 meter airship would have a much lower lift capacity - the helium in a 60 meter helium Goodyear blimp lifts only 5 or 6 tons including the weight of the blimp !

Assuming similar proportions, half the length means 1/8 of the volume so about 35 tons, wich could be pushed up to maybe 50 to 70 tons with a wider, fatter shape... A single 6x3x1.5 meter pool (not that large...) means 36 tons of water.

Posted by: Miri Jul 29 2011, 08:11 PM

Dude.. these things are made for and by the super rich.. for all you know there could be an eternally bound air elemental in the helium bag helping keep it aloft. Machines being used by the wealthy like this are almost always serviced on a regualr basis so it they could very well have a mage come in every couple of months to check the status of the bound elemental. Ultralight ultrastrong materials in the body, room temperature superconducting materials to move power to and from cuts down on a lot of the weight of wires. Now the pool... kinda hard to avoid that weight..

This is a game, it is meant to be fun. If that means you have to stretch the laws of reality or physics a tiny bit.. then do it.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 29 2011, 08:22 PM

Don't I know it, but there are no indications of how big such things can (or need to) be. And honestly, Who really cares? As Miri said, it is for fun, not Physics class.

As for the Pool, who says it needs to be as big as you indicate. I don't need a diving pool after all.

Posted by: Mardrax Jul 29 2011, 08:47 PM

All you need is a pool that reaches hip-height for the stripper ninjas. Anything more is a waste of a good view.

Posted by: Draco18s Jul 29 2011, 08:50 PM

Hip height? No. Mid-thigh. You need a couple inches clearance for the fog from the dry ice.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jul 29 2011, 09:02 PM

Indeed...