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Posted by: Volt875 Aug 9 2011, 08:36 AM

Topic description says it all really. If your basically point blank and shoot at someone do you get a bonus to hit or anything?

Posted by: Blade Aug 9 2011, 08:54 AM

Point Blank : +2
Depending on the situation the defender might also be unable to make a Dodge test.

Posted by: HunterHerne Aug 9 2011, 10:54 AM

QUOTE (Blade @ Aug 9 2011, 05:54 AM)

Point Blank : +2
Depending on the situation the defender might also be unable to make a Dodge test.

Also depending on situation, you may get an "Attacker in melee" penalty of -3.

Posted by: Xahn Borealis Aug 9 2011, 01:57 PM

If you're on a gun range, I'd make it a Success Tes. Targets can't dodge.

Posted by: HunterHerne Aug 9 2011, 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Aug 9 2011, 10:57 AM)

If you're on a gun range, I'd make it a Success Tes. Targets can't dodge.

Well, it's still an attack test. But unless he glitches, there isn't any chance he'll miss (Destroying Barriers, SR4A 166). Also note, that sometimes objects can get a dodge pool, if they have cover (Defending in Combat, SR4A, 159). On a tactical gun range, that might make a difference.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Aug 9 2011, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (HunterHerne @ Aug 9 2011, 08:23 AM)

Well, it's still an attack test. But unless he glitches, there isn't any chance he'll miss (Destroying Barriers, SR4A 166). Also note, that sometimes objects can get a dodge pool, if they have cover (Defending in Combat, SR4A, 159). On a tactical gun range, that might make a difference.

On a tactical gun range, your targets even move.

Posted by: Yerameyahu Aug 9 2011, 04:21 PM

AFAIK, Point Blank is not a 'range', though. It's a misc. mod, though that doesn't mean it's bad or anything. This is primarily for executions, and firing in melee (which carries an additional -3).

Posted by: CanRay Aug 9 2011, 08:17 PM

Well, "Money" Johnson prefers the rifle range at his local hunting club, while Nas is content with just letting the laser do the aiming for him, and...

...

Oh, wrong kind of range.

Posted by: Mardrax Aug 9 2011, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 9 2011, 06:21 PM)

AFAIK, Point Blank is not a 'range', though. It's a misc. mod, though that doesn't mean it's bad or anything.

This is primarily for executions, and firing in melee (which carries an additional -3).

...And is neatly ignored by any level 3 initiate gunbunny adept worth his salt.

Posted by: Draco18s Aug 9 2011, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Mardrax @ Aug 9 2011, 04:56 PM)

...And is neatly ignored by any level 3 initiate gunbunny adept worth his salt.

Or anyone who takes Gun Fu, I mean, Firefight. Which can be done at chargen, rather than 30 karma in.

Posted by: Yerameyahu Aug 9 2011, 09:37 PM

That's true. While I wasn't particularly arguing a build or anything, I will point out that such initiates aren't exactly common, and hell, neither is Firefight (or any MA). My point was merely that Point Blank has very specific circumstances and entailments.

Posted by: Mardrax Aug 9 2011, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 9 2011, 11:00 PM)

Or anyone who takes Gun Fu, I mean, Firefight. Which can be done at chargen, rather than 30 karma in.

Of course. I'm not familiar enough with MAs to think of those right off the bat though. And I thought Krav Maga was the go-to MA for gunbunnies? Or was that for the free Take Aim? *shrug*

Point being, it'll mostly be ignored by those who routinely use it.

Posted by: Draco18s Aug 10 2011, 12:46 AM

QUOTE (Mardrax @ Aug 9 2011, 06:08 PM)