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Posted by: Kesendeja Aug 17 2011, 05:51 AM

My gamemaster swears he saw in a book that a metamagic ability from initiation can be traded for a point of magic. He also said it was mentioned on the boards. Right now he can't find either reference. Is this a real rule or just a common house rule? and where is it?

Posted by: Medicineman Aug 17 2011, 06:13 AM

Its an optional Rule for Adepts to change the Metamagic Feat for an additional Power Point .
it's not possible to change it for a raise in MAG

with an optional Dance
Medicineman

Posted by: Kesendeja Aug 17 2011, 06:18 AM

Thanks, but do you know where was the optional rule listed?

Posted by: Dakka Dakka Aug 17 2011, 06:22 AM

Either in an up to date Street Magic (p. 31) or in the Errata for this book.

Posted by: Kesendeja Aug 17 2011, 06:33 AM

Thanks, it explains alot, we've got a first printing with no errata to go by.

Posted by: Lansdren Aug 17 2011, 08:26 AM

I would point out that the optional rule only effect adepts and mystic adepts not mages at all.

It also has little to do with the magic stat.


Its a good optional rule in my opinion but dont let it get out of hand

Posted by: Mardrax Aug 17 2011, 11:00 AM

Also keep in mind that the maximum number of times you can initiate is your Magic.
Free Power Points != Magic.

Posted by: Dakka Dakka Aug 17 2011, 01:46 PM

In addition the maximum level for Adept Powers is MAG. Extra power points can't be used to go beyond that.

Posted by: TheOOB Aug 18 2011, 12:32 AM

I personally like the optional rule a lot, I think adepts take entirely too long to start getting good without the rules, and honestly there are not a great deal of really good adept metamagic techniques(and most of those depends heavily on initiate grade, so it's better to take them after you have a few initiations under your belt.

Posted by: Bodak Aug 18 2011, 01:26 AM

In Magic in the Shadows, you would initiate to gain a point of Magic and a metamagic (and access to metaplanes if you didn't already have it, etc.) so it may well have been in a 3rd ed thread.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Aug 18 2011, 01:55 AM

Though it was available in 3rd Edition, it is a valid Optional Rule in 4th Edition.

Posted by: Tanegar Aug 18 2011, 05:38 PM

For a given value of "valid." You really think letting magicians raise their current Magic for the low, low cost of an initiation is kosher?

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Aug 18 2011, 05:48 PM

That is not what the 4th Edition rule allows though. It allows the trading of a Metamagic Technique for acquisition of a Power Point. In 3rd Edition, it allowed the same thing (IIRC, it has been a while, admittedly, and all my books were stolen at one point), but because you got a Magic Point automatically with initiation, you netted 2 PP in the process.

The "Valid" I was referring to was to point out that the Rule Did Exist in 4th Edition as an Optional Rule.

Posted by: Tanegar Aug 18 2011, 05:53 PM

Except that's not what Bodak said. He said,

Note "a point of Magic," not "a Power Point." The rule described is not now nor ever has been a rule, optional or otherwise, in SR4/4A.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Aug 18 2011, 05:55 PM

He was replying to Kesendeja's post, which is relevant. The point was that you could then trade your Metamagic Technique (that you automatically received as part of your initiation) for a Power Point.

At least, that is what I was thinking anyways....