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Posted by: IridiosDZ Sep 4 2011, 11:36 AM

Hypothetical...

AP is applied only when armor is worn by the victim target. What happens if the target has the adept Mystic Armor power? Is AP applied then or is it ignored.

Thanks.

Posted by: Elfenlied Sep 4 2011, 11:41 AM

It is applied.

Posted by: Glyph Sep 4 2011, 11:44 AM

Armor is armor: AP applies whether it is "natural", worn, or a combination of the two.

Posted by: Seriously Mike Sep 4 2011, 11:47 AM

So a troll in speedos has at least 11 dice soak against flechette shots, right? (BOD 5, Natural Armor +1, flechette AP +5)

Posted by: Glyph Sep 4 2011, 12:06 PM

Yep.

"Raaagh!! Small arms fire annoys Mongo!"

Posted by: Elfenlied Sep 4 2011, 12:16 PM

That's why you use a called shot to negate armor against said troll. -1 DP is good tradeoff for -6 AP.

Posted by: Loch Sep 4 2011, 04:15 PM

Flechettes also have a higher DV than regular bullets fired from the same gun to compensate. And they roll against impact armor. Shotguns are some of my favorite SR weapons for this reason.

Posted by: HunterHerne Sep 4 2011, 04:24 PM

As far as firearms go, when my characters use them, shotguns are the go-to weapon, as well. Although, I prefer to use the slug stats, then flechette.

Posted by: Elfenlied Sep 4 2011, 04:32 PM

Armor-piercing flechettes

Posted by: HunterHerne Sep 4 2011, 04:36 PM

Most of those characters are pre-War! Also, I don't know if I want to introduce that craziness to my current group (I am the GM...)

Posted by: Elfenlied Sep 4 2011, 05:05 PM

Well, AP Flechette is one of the saner things in WAR!, IMO.

Besides, I've got the German version. Heard someone say ours is saner, although it does include MilspecTech by default. Go figure.

Posted by: HunterHerne Sep 4 2011, 05:35 PM

I didn't say I didn't want to have it in reserve, but in reserve. I don't want them getting up into the forefront. I'm running a more street level campaign, and the only time I bring in Miltech stuff is if they specifically breach military safe-lines (for example, flying a Forbidden for private ownership EW Drone within a military flight path)

Posted by: CanRay Sep 4 2011, 05:40 PM

I want German books now... *Pouts*

Also, I wonder how the Japanese are doing...

Posted by: Elfenlied Sep 4 2011, 05:46 PM

Fair enough. Personally, my characters tend to stick to default ammo in street-level campaigns, or solid slugs in case of the shotguns. Flechette is one of the more expensive options out there.

Posted by: HunterHerne Sep 4 2011, 05:52 PM

Agreed. Most of the PC's actually stick to non-combat or melee. I think the only ones with a good amount of ranged are the tweaked couple (husband and wife in reality), who play a mage(wife) and a rigger(husband).

Edit: But they have their own issues with AP.