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Posted by: DamienKnight Oct 26 2011, 03:58 PM

Does the integral recoil comp some guns come with stack with all other recoil types?

Posted by: Yerameyahu Oct 26 2011, 04:06 PM

It depends. If it doesn't, it probably says so, though.

Posted by: Loch Oct 26 2011, 04:09 PM

That depends. In the case of a weapon with an integral gas-vent system, that is a gas vent mod that doesn't take up a mod slot, so it counts as a gas vent and is subject to the rules for what does and doesn't stack with a gas vent.

If you're talking about the "special chamber design" recoil comp that many Ares weapons come with, that is a separate thing that is cumulative with all other forms of recoil comp, as far as I'm aware.

Posted by: Mardrax Oct 26 2011, 04:19 PM

Strangely, if I offer people to put them in a 'special chamber', they tend to recoil all the more.

Posted by: Hida Tsuzua Oct 26 2011, 05:03 PM

In general, all forms of recoil compensation stacks with each other unless stated otherwise. The main list of incompatible compensators is the list on Arsenal page 148. Since special chambers and unnamed sources of recoil compensations aren't mentioned, they stack with the rest.

I could see a GM saying they're just fancy gas-vents or something though. It may or may not be a true house rule considering the inconsistent wording and writing SR rules can have.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Oct 27 2011, 02:29 PM

I honestly don't understand how a "special chamber design" could reduce recoil, at least not in a way that isn't really one of the other listed recoil compensators.

Unless they mean something that buffers the chamber's backwards recoil movement. But that would also prevent the bolt assembly from using the recoil to load the next round into the chamber.

There is one recoil compensation device that the Shadowrun world does NOT have - the recoil buffer. If I were to add it in, it would fall into the "shock pad" category of recoil compensators. Really, the shock pad is a simple version of a recoil buffer - more sophisticated ones use gas or hydraulic springs to smooth out the recoil shock between the firearm and the user. There's even ones for handguns, a set of internal springs, levers, or buffering pads that keep the slide from slamming back on it's rail so hard, but those are more to extend the life of the weapon rather than make it more accurate.


-k

Posted by: Brazilian_Shinobi Oct 27 2011, 02:38 PM

It's quite simple actually, a Wizard (or in this case a AAA Corp) did it.
But I've seen many GMs who just change the "special chamber design" to a gas-vent and be done with it.

Posted by: fazzamar Oct 27 2011, 05:02 PM

But if you do that how do you expect people to get their high velocity Ares Alpha full autoing recoil-less without a gyromount?!

Posted by: Critias Oct 27 2011, 05:17 PM

Well, duh. If everyone understood how it worked, the chamber design wouldn't be special any more, would it?

Posted by: Brazilian_Shinobi Oct 27 2011, 05:23 PM

Short answer? You wouldn't!
Just a little longer answer? You wouldn't! *smacks BBB on the player's head* Now stop being a wise-ass!

Posted by: Hida Tsuzua Oct 27 2011, 10:27 PM

What's really interesting is that special chamber designs are often illegal. The Praetor and MP9 both have built in recoil compensation and are forbidden. The Alpha Bravo and Sierra don't use anything forbidden but still are. I think it's the chambering system.

That said, a "common man's" ares alpha that didn't have the grenade launcher and was restricted would be one of the greatest weapons ever. Sure you still couldn't go into bars with it, but you might be able to keep it in truck or whatever with your rating 6 fake license.

Posted by: CanRay Oct 27 2011, 10:47 PM

I remember it being said in this forum or The Other Forum that it was a Copy-Pastea from a previous edition that gave that recoil compensation to any Bullpup Rifle. But, well, I get hit. In the head. A lot.

Posted by: Yerameyahu Oct 27 2011, 11:32 PM

I'm not worried about the realism. I'm only worried if it's BS 'magic' recoil that doesn't take up any slots/involve any sacrifice except a couple ¥.