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Posted by: Crazy Ivan Nov 15 2011, 05:51 PM

I've got a concern....
Doe MAD and Cyberware scanners pick up the spurs and other cyber implant blades? I know at soem point in the main book, there is mention that the cyberguns are supposed to be able to squeak through them due to their plastic/ceramic components and hiding within a cyberarm. Do the cyber blades get the same treatment?

Posted by: Paul Nov 15 2011, 06:14 PM

Yes. Depending on how good the scanner is can be the difference between "Oh look dude has bone lacing." and "Hey, that dude has a knife in his forearm."

Posted by: Ol' Scratch Nov 15 2011, 06:22 PM

You can always apply the Ceramic/Plasteel Components weapon modification to them in order to help out. I believe rating 3 gives you immunity to those types of scanners. You'll need the Restricted Gear quality to get it during character creation, though.

Posted by: PresentPresence Nov 15 2011, 06:38 PM

Yeah, and get personalized grips, too! Because why not?

Posted by: CanRay Nov 15 2011, 08:06 PM

"Sir, why is one of the bones in your forearm metallic?" "Stray gunshot by a dum-dum round shattered it. My Health Insurance wouldn't spring for real bone replacement. Here's the police report to prove it." "Hmmm, OK, checks out, sorry to bring up the memory Sir, but we have to check these things. Have a nice day." *Subvocalized, "Increase surveillance on person just entering foyer."*

Posted by: Saint Hallow Nov 15 2011, 08:43 PM

This is why I am forever getting bioware or non-forbidden/registered cyberware. Artifical cyberlimbs & cyber implanted weapons are awesome, but need to much work when entering certain neighborhoods.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Nov 15 2011, 08:55 PM

MAD scanners really shouldn't be telling the user anything beyond "metal present" and "metal not present". Possibly "large amount" and "small amount".

Cyberware scanners and other similar millimeter-wave radar will get everything in detailed 3D, but can be blocked by anything that blocks radio waves.




-k

Posted by: Brazilian_Shinobi Nov 15 2011, 09:24 PM

More dakka?

Posted by: Faraday Nov 16 2011, 12:22 AM

TBH, most bone lacing should be perfectly legal. Meanwhile, cyberarms should be able to hide internal goodies. At least metallic stuff.

Posted by: Paul Nov 16 2011, 12:36 AM

Perfectly legal? Sure. Completely over looked? I mean after a while how long does it take before "Spotting Bone Lacing and Spurs"come out in the security world? We get bulletins with all sorts of tricks all the time. And sure we can trot out the whole extraterritoriality means no one has to cooperate-but unless it's over a propitiatory data why not share? I get bulletins from agencies all over the place. I doubt a trick like this would work indefinitely.

Posted by: Ol' Scratch Nov 16 2011, 01:48 AM

Yeah, if it's not only designed as a weapon but also used as one, people aren't going to go "oh, you had your bones laced with titanium? That must be benign. Especially since you look like a mindless thug to boot."

However, I agree that cyberlimbs should be able to conceal things inside them with relative ease. I mean, technically, even Smuggling Compartments are easily identified with Cyberware Scanners (the Intuition+Perception bit is about noticing it with the naked eye, which is absurd in and of itself when you can have clothing in the way), which kind of defeats the point.

Posted by: Irion Nov 16 2011, 07:14 AM

The rules for perception in general tend to become kind of strange if you really use them.
The point is, that it is not said what the different ways of perception can see and what they can't...

Posted by: Faraday Nov 16 2011, 12:41 PM

I would agree to a point, but then how do you explain totally legal (in the UCAS) bone density augmentation, which is practically impossible to pick out from normal bone?

Posted by: Ascalaphus Nov 16 2011, 12:45 PM

Game designer mistake. It's the most likely cause.

Posted by: Brazilian_Shinobi Nov 16 2011, 01:19 PM

A good bioware lobby?
Now, I understand that would have be too complicated to set the legality for each piece of gear for each country, but then again, they could have gone the GURPS way, where gears have a legality rating and each country has its own legality rating so you know what is legal and what is not. I mean, for some reason, bone lacing might be illegal in the UCAS and CAS, but is it illegal in Russia?
Anyway, just food for thought.

Posted by: Faraday Nov 16 2011, 01:32 PM

Mostly, I see bone lacing as the weaponization of a cheap and effective treatment to brittle bone disease and similar bone strength issues. Bone density augmentation could theoretically help or it may not depending on the prognosis, genetic treatment is in a similar vein. Any of the bone lacing cyberware would be pretty effective at treating the symptoms, if not cure the cause. Something every medical company will do any time it can (helps with profits).

Would I put it down as completely legal? No. But this stuff isn't military-grade hardware. Just change that F to an R and I'd call it good. (and make bone density augs R as well)

Posted by: Ascalaphus Nov 16 2011, 01:59 PM

Putting them both at R makes more sense yeah.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Nov 16 2011, 04:50 PM

Well, if you have clothes in the way, I would not give a roll at all. *shrug*
That is just common Sense.

Posted by: Warlordtheft Nov 16 2011, 05:00 PM

This is where I have to make a jusdgement call. First if the cyber is restricted in the jurisdiction, then if there are scanners in place to detect such cyberware, and where the scanners are located (iirc the scanners have a 4 meter range at most). Going back to the security ratings: B to AAA-yeah you will find them, but the lower levels (A and B) security will have obvious holes in it or low quality sensors. C-D neighborhoods probably wouldn't bother except for important locales (like government buildings). E and Z---yeah right.

Of course you can always hack the system on the fly and spoof a false negative.