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Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 19 2013, 09:44 PM

Strong Will: 4 karma
Through abnormally strong will or strict training you have developed a resistance to mental attacks. You gain +2 dice to resist Mana Illusions and Mental Manipulations, and +2 dice on psychological addiction checks.

Posted by: Dolanar Sep 19 2013, 09:46 PM

for the number of benefits I'd increase the cost a small amount.

Posted by: thorya Sep 19 2013, 09:52 PM

You might want a different name to avoid confusion with the Willpower attribute.

Maybe, Unbending or Resolution or Iron Minded or Mental Defense. Though it's probably not a big deal.

If this was available, I would probably take this on every character which to me says, maybe too powerful. Though somethings you'll need to clarify are: Does this apply to spirit powers? Does this add dice to psychological torture/brain washing?

Posted by: Jack VII Sep 19 2013, 09:53 PM

Has anyone made an attempt to deciper PQ and NQ pricing? I have no clue if the devs just pulled it out of the air or said +2 Dice is a minimum cost of X.

Considering the number of Psychological or Psychological & Physiological Drugs, that feels like a 7 or 8 karma power at chargen. I mean, it would be money for a drug-using combat monster.

Posted by: ShadowDragon8685 Sep 19 2013, 09:57 PM

FD's OP said psychological addiction, not chemical addiction.

So it would help you resist, say, simsense addiction, astral projection addiction, etcetera, but not Kamikaze Addiction.

I'd say that you should leave off the addiction resistance and add dice to resisting being mentally influenced normally - things like seduction, intimidation, fast-talking, etcetera.

Posted by: Jack VII Sep 19 2013, 10:00 PM

I also feel like turning this into an ongoing thread. Here's mine:

MagiTech Harmony (4 or 12)

Due to their close work in both the fields of magic and technology, the character has learned to overcome some of the inherent barriers between the two.

4 Points: Divide the penalty for using magical spells in the Health category on low Essence targets by half.
12 Points: As above, but also reduce by one the Object Resistance category of a given object, to a minimum of "Natural Objects"

Posted by: Jack VII Sep 19 2013, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Sep 19 2013, 03:57 PM)

FD's OP said psychological addiction, not chemical addiction.

So it would help you resist, say, simsense addiction, astral projection addiction, etcetera, but not Kamikaze Addiction.

I'd say that you should leave off the addiction resistance and add dice to resisting being mentally influenced normally - things like seduction, intimidation, fast-talking, etcetera.

Drug addictions are defined as Physiological or Psychological. Kamikaze is one of the only Physiological Only Drugs. Almost all of the others are Psycholigcal if not both. If it isn't intended to affect checmical drugs that cause Psychological addictions, a lot more clarifying text is required.

Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 19 2013, 10:09 PM

Based on the feedback I've recieved:

Resolute: 8 karma
Through abnormally strong will or strict training you have developed a resistance to mental influences. You gain +2 dice to resist Mana Illusions and Mental Manipulations, and +2 dice on opposed checks to resist Con. Finally, you gain +2 dice to Logic+Willpower tests to resist critter powers.

Posted by: Jack VII Sep 19 2013, 10:26 PM

Looks good. Even though it is fluff, I would change "mental attacks" to "mental influence" so it better covers Con.

Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 19 2013, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 20 2013, 06:26 AM)

Looks good. Even though it is fluff, I would change "mental attacks" to "mental influence" so it better covers Con.

Done.

Posted by: Dolanar Sep 19 2013, 10:50 PM

Much better cost:benefit ratio

Posted by: Shemhazai Sep 20 2013, 11:29 PM

At this price, starting characters won't be able to get it at chargen along with rating 3 Magic Resistance. (6 + 6 + 6 + 8 = 26)

Would this be available for awakened characters? Then it could stack with Counterspelling, Shielding, and the Spell Resistance adept power.

Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 20 2013, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (Shemhazai @ Sep 21 2013, 07:29 AM)

Would this be available for awakened characters? Then it could stack with Counterspelling, Shielding, and the Spell Resistance adept power.

I don't see any reason why awakened characters would be unable to train themselves to resist mind control, though since they have more options for defending against all magic it's probably a bit too focused to compete against the more general defenses.

16 karma isn't that much, just pick it up during play.

Posted by: Slithery D Sep 21 2013, 01:01 AM

32 karma during play is a lot.

Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 21 2013, 01:02 AM

QUOTE (Slithery D @ Sep 21 2013, 09:01 AM)

32 karma during play is a lot.

but it's 16 karma during play, not 32.

Posted by: Dolanar Sep 21 2013, 01:29 AM

8 during creation, 16 during play

Posted by: Jack VII Sep 21 2013, 01:46 AM

Or take this one instead of Magic Resistance 3 and pick that one up during play for 12 (Based on the example given)

Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 21 2013, 01:48 AM

QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 21 2013, 09:46 AM)

Or take this one instead of Magic Resistance 3 and pick that one up during play for 12 (Based on the example given)

12 per point of rating, ie 36 for rating 3.

Posted by: Jack VII Sep 21 2013, 01:50 AM

QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Sep 20 2013, 08:48 PM)

12 per point of rating, ie 36 for rating 3.

You would have already picked up 1 & 2. Based on this premise:

QUOTE

At this price, starting characters won't be able to get it at chargen along with rating 3 Magic Resistance. (6 + 6 + 6 + 8 = 26)

Posted by: FuelDrop Sep 21 2013, 01:54 AM

QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 21 2013, 09:50 AM)