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Posted by: nezumi Jan 21 2014, 03:18 PM

A player is looking to make a physical adept using knives, but would like a handgun built in so he gets off that one shot before entering into close combat range. For a larger weapon, the answer would be a bayonet, but that doesn't seem appropriate for a handgun where the vectors are totally different.

Has anyone approached the subject before? Is such a device workable? What would be the stats?

Posted by: DrZaius Jan 21 2014, 03:43 PM

I'm fuzzy on remembering the specialization rules for SR3, but if it's like 4th/5th (+2 dice? -2 TN for SR3 maybe?) I'd say that firing a pistol with a bayonet / knife attached is a -2 Penalty. Basically, allow him to negate the negative by being specialized in the weapon itself.

-DrZ

Posted by: Sendaz Jan 21 2014, 03:50 PM

Actually this has been handled a few different ways, all depends on how you want it.

from another site was a nice idea if a bit flashy....

http://www.gods-inc.de/macavity/shadowrun/weapons/mallorean-bladegun.jpg
The BladeGun is a semi-automatic heavy pistol with a large crescent shaped knife-blade attached in front of the trigger guard and grip. Also called the Samurai handgun, it incorporates styling found on the grips of katanas and Japanese kanji down the side of the slide and blade.

This pistol can accept only top and barrel mounts, the underbarrel mount taken up by the blade. The underbarrel weight of the blade gives the gun 1 point of recoil compensation.


Weapon: Blade Reach Con Weight Damage Cost Avail Index
Mallorean Gunblade 0 5 3.0 (STR+2)L 7,000n¥ 14/14 days 2

Weapon: Gun Con Mode Ammo Range Damage
Mallorean Gunblade 5 SA 20 Heavy Pistol 8M

A pair of these with adequate training in gun-fu and you got yourself some MA fun, mixing blades and bullets in any fight. The blade also acts as a partial guard for the hand so can be used for defense as well though I would personally weld on a bit of a bar at the bottom of the blade to meet the handle of the gun for pinky protection, but that is just me.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Jan 21 2014, 07:00 PM

Ahh, Reinhart's custom Berettas from Blade II. Loved the look of those.

Fun fact: the movie props were recycled from the Lawgiver pistols in the first Judge Dredd movie.


-k

Posted by: Brazilian_Shinobi Jan 21 2014, 09:42 PM

http://www.gunpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/LaserLyte-PB-3-Mini-Survival-Knife-Pistol-Bayonet.jpg

Posted by: Sendaz Jan 21 2014, 10:03 PM

Will a http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/569251/80455758.png do?


They offer a 'Hers' http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/249/6/1/gears_of_war_chainsaw_gun__a_k_a__lancer__by_bioshutt-d2vtzau.jpg too

Posted by: nezumi Jan 21 2014, 11:03 PM

That's what instantly sprang to mind, but I mean ... really. Really?



That's what *I* would go for. Back when I first tried SR4, I played the Rocker archetype, armed with a keytar and an underbarrel chainsaw.

These days, people ask what special powers the Rocker has. Geez...

The Mallorean arms looks good, thank you! Being a total arm-chair gun-knower person, I have no idea if it would actually be at all effective. Would it have a penalty to gunning/knifing?

Posted by: Sendaz Jan 21 2014, 11:40 PM

I do not see anything about the model itself that would rule out it's effectiveness, though as mentioned I would connect the opening the bottom to protect the pinky and maybe a bit of a basket hilt/finger guard to cover the fingers a bit more, especially as you are looking to focus a bit on the bladework.

Especially if you parry/block an opponent's weapon and it slides down along your blade, good way to lose some fingers otherwise

It's a slashing weapon as you really can't do a decent center mass stab unless it's wielded by a Troll or a Cybered up Sammy, but then these two can also just pick up a brick and stab it through a body...... Course a bullet does nicely for stabbing that way.

I would probably require a specialization (or even exotic maybe?) for it's handling as it would be a bit different for the bladework than most blades, but again having both blade and firearm in a close quarter fight just is too awesome to pass up.

And dual wielding is a must if for just the looks alone.

Slitting throats and shooting out kneecaps, yeah... good times.

Posted by: Sponge Jan 22 2014, 12:14 AM

You guys are all going at this the wrong way. The character is a knife fighter, not a pistolero - he needs a gun he can shoot from a knife grip, not a knife he can wield from a pistol grip.

I'm certainly no weapons expert, but I imagine you could probably squeeze a one-shot holdout into the handle of a knife and fire it out the pommel using a customized firing mechanism (with terrible accuracy, and I hope you've got an grip of iron). But really, given the (lack of) power and range of a holdout pistol, he may as well go for throwing knives instead.

A tazer might work better than an actual gun, it would have less recoil/grip issues. Not sure how those work in SR3 though.

Posted by: Grak Jan 22 2014, 03:47 AM

It's been done before.

http://www.baytree-interiors.co.uk/_assets/img/site/products/giant/G1204.jpg

I agree with you on the holdout. One shot, hand loaded.

Posted by: KarmaInferno Jan 22 2014, 06:29 PM

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gunblade



-k

Posted by: Sponge Jan 22 2014, 07:07 PM

The one with the http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120225143106/finalfantasy/images/0/08/FFXIII-2_Gunblade.jpg scores extra points for wtf.

Still, there do seem to be some historical examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword

Posted by: bannockburn Jan 22 2014, 07:08 PM

How about this one?
http://raben-aas.deviantart.com/art/Shadowrun-Fashion-Gun-113195610

It's statted in Gun H(e)aven 2, the Nemesis Arms Praetorian

Edit: Should be easy enough to construct with SR3 CC rules. It has melee hardening and a fixed bayonet, ruleswise.

Posted by: nezumi Jan 22 2014, 07:24 PM

It has been too long ... I totally forgot about the CC gun creation rules!

Posted by: bannockburn Jan 22 2014, 07:33 PM

Often a good thing

Concealment 9 assault rifles and the like.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Jan 23 2014, 08:25 PM

Apache pistol?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_pistol

Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 23 2014, 08:57 PM

how come NOBODY mentioned THIS yet?
http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1333/09/1333092823939.jpg

Posted by: KarmaInferno Jan 23 2014, 08:57 PM

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=sm653d&s=5



-k

Posted by: KCKitsune Jan 23 2014, 09:36 PM

OK why not just get power throw at level 3 and missile mastery and the adept can throw knives with the power of a gun. Now factor in Way of the Warrior and he can get Missile Mastery for a discount.

Hell if he gets a cougar fine blade it will even have the an AP of -1.

No need to carry guns at all.

Posted by: bannockburn Jan 23 2014, 09:38 PM

SR3.

Posted by: Stahlseele Jan 23 2014, 10:15 PM

Under SR3, throwing weapons was even easier for Adepts if i remember correctly

Posted by: KCKitsune Jan 24 2014, 02:48 AM

My mistake.

Posted by: Tymeaus Jalynsfein Jan 24 2014, 02:45 PM

Works great in SR4A...
Have a Classical Ninja with that very theme (though he prefers shuriken to knives, and follows the Way of the Artist instead of Way of the Warrior).

Posted by: PraetorGradivus Jan 24 2014, 08:11 PM

Deleaxhe Apache 7mm pistol is probably more his style as it's a single fire pepperbox rather than a revolver that is shown in this wiki.