Printable Version of Topic
Click here to view this topic in its original format
Dumpshock Forums _ Shadowrun _ ShadowTK
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 28 2015, 12:25 AM
This is a question for the older players. Does anyone know if there exists an archive of the ShadowTK mailing list from its heyday back in the '90s? Bonus points if you can answer the same for ShadowRN and ShadowGM.
Posted by: Bull Mar 28 2015, 01:14 AM
If anyone would have it, it'd be Mark Imbriaco (Neuron Basher). I'll ask, though I doubt it.
Ahhh, TK... I have fond memories. 
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 28 2015, 01:17 AM
Ahhh, TK... I have fond memories.
As always, you rock sir!
Yeah, I have been roaming the old highways of seizure inducing archived Geocities pages, and making use of the wayback machine to try and find an archive. No luck yet, though I have many old links.
I was pointed here by Gurth, and Mark's name was mentioned so... Keeping my fingers crossed.
Nostalgia's great, isn't it?
Posted by: Bull Mar 28 2015, 01:28 AM
Yeah, I have been roaming the old highways of seizure inducing archived Geocities pages, and making use of the wayback machine to try and find an archive. No luck yet, though I have many old links.
I was pointed here by Gurth, and Mark's name was mentioned so... Keeping my fingers crossed.
Nostalgia's great, isn't it?
It's funny. A couple nights ago I was reminiscing on Facebook and digging through some of my old web page files.
Anyway, talked to Mark. He has the original servers in his garage, but they haven't been turned on in years, so he has no idea if they would even still work. He thinks he has backups somewhere, but isn't sure where, but apparently we piqued his curiosity, so he's gonna look.
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 28 2015, 01:30 AM
Anyway, talked to Mark. He has the original servers in his garage, but they haven't been turned on in years, so he has no idea if they would even still work. He thinks he has backups somewhere, but isn't sure where, but apparently we piqued his curiosity, so he's gonna look.
Thanks Bull!
And pass along my thanks to Mark as well. Hopefully a bit of nostalgia can be payment enough. 
Posted by: Neuron Basher Mar 28 2015, 01:31 AM
Yeah, I have been roaming the old highways of seizure inducing archived Geocities pages, and making use of the wayback machine to try and find an archive. No luck yet, though I have many old links.
I was pointed here by Gurth, and Mark's name was mentioned so... Keeping my fingers crossed.
Nostalgia's great, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure I have that old data somewhere, I just have to find it. I know I have the old servers in my garage, so if nothing else I can probably yank the drives out of them and mount them. I'll see what I can find.
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 28 2015, 01:41 AM
Thank you!
Posted by: ThatPaolo Mar 28 2015, 09:02 PM
I have a ShadowTK archive (and really, ALL messages from ALL important Shadowrun mailing lists and forums from 1992 to early 2003) in a 1.3Gb database sitting on my home server.
Now, what format do you need them on?
Posted by: ThatPaolo Mar 28 2015, 09:03 PM
Is my member number really lower than Bull? Wow, rockin'
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 29 2015, 04:31 AM
Now, what format do you need them on?
Zip? XD
I don't know what the best way to transfer such a database. FTP maybe? Bittorrent?
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 29 2015, 04:33 AM
Well, the person who is your avatar has been around a while.
Posted by: ThatPaolo Mar 29 2015, 05:23 AM
I don't know what the best way to transfer such a database. FTP maybe? Bittorrent?
The data is in an Access database. I could extract it with some queries or I could whip up a quick website to do searches on it (something I almost competed at dumpshock but never released)
Posted by: Bull Mar 29 2015, 06:38 AM
I'm kinda curious as to who has the numbers lower than us, actually. Me, you, Dvix, Adam, Jestyr, Mark... Who else was here at the very beginning of Deep Resonance? I think Pistons and Spudman joined us a little while after we started up.
Were some of the lower members maybe SR character names we nabbed to prevent them from being used, maybe? Like Fastjack and Dunklezahn and the like?
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 29 2015, 01:37 PM
Uhm. Whichever works better/faster?
Posted by: Jaid Mar 29 2015, 05:47 PM
Were some of the lower members maybe SR character names we nabbed to prevent them from being used, maybe? Like Fastjack and Dunklezahn and the like?
hmmm...
I'm gonna guess....
some of http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?&name_box=begins&sort_key=joined&sort_order=asc&filter=ALL&act=members&max_results=20&aim=&yahoo=&icq=&msn=&posts=&joined=&lastpost=&lastvisit=&signature=&homepage=&name=&photoonly=&st=0.
of course, I could be wrong
Posted by: Bull Mar 29 2015, 08:44 PM
I'm gonna guess....
some of http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?&name_box=begins&sort_key=joined&sort_order=asc&filter=ALL&act=members&max_results=20&aim=&yahoo=&icq=&msn=&posts=&joined=&lastpost=&lastvisit=&signature=&homepage=&name=&photoonly=&st=0.
of course, I could be wrong
Yeah, join date doesn't quite work. Dumpshock (under it's original name Deep Resonance) has been around since... 1999 or so? At some point we switched over software and imported the database, IIRC, so there are several hundred members with that join date because of that.
Posted by: Bull Mar 29 2015, 08:48 PM
Hehe. Doing that also shows just how conflated DS's Membership numbers are. Page after page of members who "joined" in 2002, but have 0 posts.
(To be fair, all forums get like that unless the admin prune those members periodically. I know we never did).
Posted by: hermit Mar 29 2015, 08:58 PM
Hm. An archive of these old mailing lists would indeed be interesting, Paolo.
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 29 2015, 09:32 PM
Yeah, Gurth from the current ShadowRN mailing list is interested in the TK, RN, GM and plot ones if they still exist as an archive.
Posted by: Neuron Basher Mar 29 2015, 09:45 PM
Pretty sure you nailed it with the initial crew. I would have been first since I installed the software, but we were all there right at the beginning.
We did reserve a few, but it also looks like some member numbers have been adjusted. Not really a big deal, we're all old timers at this point. Hard to believe it was 1992 when I created the first Shadowrun related web site and then Paolo came along and made a much better one not long thereafter. Ah, the good old days. We need a reunion tour.
Posted by: Neuron Basher Mar 29 2015, 09:50 PM
Also, I found the old drive that the site ran on. It was an IDE drive, and I don't have a computer with an IDE interface anymore, so I had to order a USB to IDE adapter. Got that today and I was able to pull the raw original logs from 1992-1999 off of it.
The newer archives were running on a VMware ESX virtual machine and I'm pulling the VMDK files off of that drive right now to see if modern VMware can read them. Stay tuned!
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 29 2015, 10:59 PM
The newer archives were running on a VMware ESX virtual machine and I'm pulling the VMDK files off of that drive right now to see if modern VMware can read them. Stay tuned!
Sweet, dude, you're awesome!
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 29 2015, 11:00 PM
We did reserve a few, but it also looks like some member numbers have been adjusted. Not really a big deal, we're all old timers at this point. Hard to believe it was 1992 when I created the first Shadowrun related web site and then Paolo came along and made a much better one not long thereafter. Ah, the good old days. We need a reunion tour.
Well, Shadowrun is from 1989, so you were there right at the start. I still have one of the first BBB in Ottawa.
I wonder how dated SR1 is...
Posted by: Neuron Basher Mar 30 2015, 02:52 AM
Yup, I have an original hardcover SR1 on the bookshelf upstairs.
So, good news! All the archives from 1992-2007 are now available and shared in a single ~400MB zip file that will expand to around 1.3GB when you unzip it. There are various formats and some amount of duplication where messages exist both as HTML and as mbox files, but all the content should be there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/togu0ymqwz37c5x/archives.zip?dl=0
Hope everyone enjoys the trip down memory lane!
Remember, never trust an elf and never deal with a dragon.
Posted by: ThatPaolo Mar 30 2015, 03:44 AM
So, good news! All the archives from 1992-2007 are now available and shared in a single ~400MB zip file that will expand to around 1.3GB when you unzip it. There are various formats and some amount of duplication where messages exist both as HTML and as mbox files, but all the content should be there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/togu0ymqwz37c5x/archives.zip?dl=0
Hope everyone enjoys the trip down memory lane!
Remember, never trust an elf and never deal with a dragon.
Sweet, thank you
Posted by: Bull Mar 30 2015, 04:12 AM
Oh jesus.
Posted by: Tony Mar 30 2015, 04:56 AM
Thank you, Mark!
This will be an interesting read.
Posted by: Neko Asakami Mar 30 2015, 05:39 AM
Logged in just to say thank you for this epic piece of nostalgia.
Edit: My virus scanner came up with a few hits (Mostly I-Worm/Netsky) as I was unzipping this. Can anyone else confirm or deny the virii?
Posted by: NightRain Mar 30 2015, 08:01 AM
I was an initial hanger on, rather than initial crew. That counts for something right?
Posted by: Alareth Mar 30 2015, 12:09 PM
I miss #shadowun
Posted by: pdboddy Mar 30 2015, 01:51 PM
So, good news! All the archives from 1992-2007 are now available and shared in a single ~400MB zip file that will expand to around 1.3GB when you unzip it. There are various formats and some amount of duplication where messages exist both as HTML and as mbox files, but all the content should be there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/togu0ymqwz37c5x/archives.zip?dl=0
Hope everyone enjoys the trip down memory lane!
Remember, never trust an elf and never deal with a dragon.
Thanks dude, you rock.
Posted by: Shaidar Mar 30 2015, 07:55 PM
Edit: My virus scanner came up with a few hits (Mostly I-Worm/Netsky) as I was unzipping this. Can anyone else confirm or deny the virii?
I can confirm your diagnosis http://www.avgthreatlabs.com/us-en/virus-and-malware-information/info/i-worm-netsky/?name=I-Worm/Netsky&utm_source=TDPU&utm_medium=SCAN&PRTYPE=AVF.
Posted by: Neuron Basher Mar 31 2015, 01:55 AM
I'm not surprised to see some old viruses in there. The archives that you see are the raw email logs from the list, which is going to be a straight copy of the incoming email. As long as you don't extract those attachments there shouldn't be any way for you to be infected, though I'd refrain from opening those files in anything beyond a text editor.
Posted by: Neko Asakami Mar 31 2015, 05:30 AM
Looks like I'm playing Bug Hunter in a VM this weekend. You should probably update the post with the DL link just to be safe.
Posted by: Sendaz Mar 31 2015, 08:38 AM
Soooo... Y2K part II ?
Just teasing..
am going to try and download/read these over the easter break when hopefully I get some free time
Posted by: pdboddy Apr 8 2015, 12:51 AM
Gurth, of the current ShadowRN mailing list, was unconcerned about the virus warnings, he said he believes them to be false positives. But always good to be careful.
He has parsed the mailing list archives into readable HTML pages: http://shadowrn.understairs.nl/logs.php
Once more I'd like to thank everyone for their hand in this. What was lost has now been rescued from jaws of time.
Posted by: Voran Apr 14 2015, 12:39 AM
And thus we release an old forgotten supervirus that brings about the fall of the internet!
Posted by: Czar Eggbert Apr 16 2015, 08:43 PM
So, good news! All the archives from 1992-2007 are now available and shared in a single ~400MB zip file that will expand to around 1.3GB when you unzip it. There are various formats and some amount of duplication where messages exist both as HTML and as mbox files, but all the content should be there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/togu0ymqwz37c5x/archives.zip?dl=0
Hope everyone enjoys the trip down memory lane!
Remember, never trust an elf and never deal with a dragon.
Must not download... Just think of the shear number of carp (and no I did not misspell crap) in that zip file!
- Czar Eggbert
Posted by: Czar Eggbert Apr 16 2015, 08:44 PM
And thus the Crash of 2015...
-Czar Eggbert
Posted by: Jason Lynch Apr 20 2015, 10:00 PM
So, good news! All the archives from 1992-2007 are now available and shared in a single ~400MB zip file that will expand to around 1.3GB when you unzip it. There are various formats and some amount of duplication where messages exist both as HTML and as mbox files, but all the content should be there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/togu0ymqwz37c5x/archives.zip?dl=0
Hope everyone enjoys the trip down memory lane!
Talk about nostalgia... there's some good stuff in there (some of it even mine...)
Mark, many thanks for finding and sharing that.
--
Paul J. Adam
Cassandra Defence Consulting
This is one of the great sadnesses: to have much knowledge, and little power.
Posted by: Chrome Tiger May 27 2015, 06:47 PM
Finally got around to catching up on my plethora of open tabs and grabbed this archive. Yep. There goes my productivity. That aside, many thanks for sharing!
Posted by: Ryu May 28 2015, 12:28 AM
Having a full download will certainly be better, but anyway: http://shadowrn.understairs.nl/logs.php?l=ShadowTK&y=1992&m=12
Powered by Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionboard.com)
© Invision Power Services (http://www.invisionpower.com)