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Posted by: yesferatu Jul 26 2015, 03:45 AM
Hey folks
So I was re-reading the 5e rigger rules and I wanted to clarify something.
Is it possible/feasible to play a driver/rigger type without buying a full VCR/RCC setup?
I know 4e had a few disadvantages to NOT jumping in, but I don't remember the difference being so stark.
You used to be able to run a vehicle off wired 3 without going limp. I forget the math on it, but I believe it was like a 2 die difference for being in AR and hot sim.
As an example, I wrote up a go ganger a bit ago.
He wanted to stay conscious on his Contrail, not jumped in.
Would that kind of concept even work anymore or would he need to go full matrix rigger to be worth a damn?
Posted by: DeathStrobe Jul 26 2015, 04:26 AM
The fluff in SR5 supports that you don't need to go limp to drive in VR. No rules for it, and since it's flavor and not mechanics, I'd personally just let the rigger have control of their meat while driving jumped in, but unable to shoot with their meat body.
Posted by: yesferatu Jul 26 2015, 04:35 AM
There's the rub.
I WANT to be able to shoot in the meat.
I've never loved gunnery or splitting my firearms skills.
I guess I'm trying to run a hybrid.
Puppet riggers tend to dump all their points into vehicke/matrix actions with almost nothing of use in the physical world.
I'd like to be useful behind the wheel and in the flesh.
Posted by: DeathStrobe Jul 26 2015, 02:47 PM
Well...maybe the Rigger book will have rules for it. It'll be out by the end of the year...hopefully.
Posted by: hermit Jul 26 2015, 06:40 PM
You know what they say about eating the cake and keeping it?
Posted by: PraetorGradivus Jul 31 2015, 08:00 PM
SR5 pg 39:
You can also go whole-hog and
dive into virtual reality (VR), leaving your meat body behind
for a trip into the realm of pure information. While
the speed of VR is convenient for hackers, most people
like the ability to use the Matrix while carrying on with
their lives at the same time...
You want to drive and be in the meat world at the same time, either manual or AR....
Posted by: Lobo0705 Jul 31 2015, 08:41 PM
So I was re-reading the 5e rigger rules and I wanted to clarify something.
Is it possible/feasible to play a driver/rigger type without buying a full VCR/RCC setup?
I know 4e had a few disadvantages to NOT jumping in, but I don't remember the difference being so stark.
You used to be able to run a vehicle off wired 3 without going limp. I forget the math on it, but I believe it was like a 2 die difference for being in AR and hot sim.
As an example, I wrote up a go ganger a bit ago.
He wanted to stay conscious on his Contrail, not jumped in.
Would that kind of concept even work anymore or would he need to go full matrix rigger to be worth a damn?
What do you mean by "feasible"?
You don't need a VCR to be a driver (and a pretty good one, if you have a high skill and Reaction) - but you are going to get your ass kicked in a race or vehicular combat by anyone who does have one.
Using a VCR to gain the rigger bonus requires you to be in VR - but you can use a commlink to use the Control Device Action in AR, and thus remain conscious, to control Drones, or your vehicle, or, if you are on your bike, just control it Manually.
Posted by: Kincaid Aug 6 2015, 06:23 PM
If you're looking to drive and shoot, adept riggers are always an option. You don't get the reduction in Threshold that a VCR gives you, but you're just as fast inside your car as out and you get dice. Using AR (trodes) adds +1 to your Limits, so you shouldn't be wasting hits all that often.
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