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Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 11 2004, 08:38 PM

I need a city that could plausibly be decently large by the 2050s, with a vibrant biological/chemical/pharmaceutical/medical research community, but one that won't be missed (IE, one that isn't currently important and so probably won't be called on by metaplot or the random whims of the players). The original was Tokyo (actually, now that I remember, it wasn't Tokyo but a city nearby), but I think that's a little too major (and too JIS) for this.

Suggestions?

~J

Posted by: Siege Jul 11 2004, 08:40 PM

Atlanta has the CDC and as far as I am aware, does not have any special role in Canon.

-Siege

Posted by: shadd4d Jul 11 2004, 08:47 PM

Where's the Mayo Clinic or maybe John Hopkins? Wait, John Hopkins is mentioned in Cyberpirates, IIRC.

Atlanta doesn't sound all that bad as a choice.

Don

Posted by: BitBasher Jul 11 2004, 09:07 PM

Sheboygan, WI. I'll be impressed if it becomes a pivotal city.

Posted by: Skeptical Clown Jul 11 2004, 09:11 PM

Blow away Vancouver. Completely overshadowed by Seattle, but similar enough and close enough to have impact on the game, if not the canon. Home to a branch of Universal Omnitech, and also Pacific Cybernetics Incorporated. Eibisu Biomechanics and Kyuusei Medical are also based in Salish-Sidhe territory.

Posted by: Misfit Toy Jul 11 2004, 09:12 PM

I'd go with some place in Germany. Biotech, chemicals, and pharmaceuticals is what Saeder-Krupp is all about, and Germany does have a reputation (or at least they did if memory serves) for being a leader in those fields at one point. If not Germany, maybe somewhere in India.

Posted by: KosherPickle Jul 11 2004, 09:18 PM

Posted by: Misfit Toy Jul 11 2004, 09:22 PM

I don't think Kagetenshi meant "won't be missed" literally.

Posted by: shadd4d Jul 11 2004, 09:25 PM

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 11 2004, 09:27 PM

Posted by: KosherPickle Jul 11 2004, 09:29 PM

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 11 2004, 09:33 PM

Why thank you

~J

Posted by: Phaeton Jul 11 2004, 09:38 PM

Posted by: FlakJacket Jul 11 2004, 09:40 PM

Haiti! Why stop at just a city? Take out the whole shitty little country! Seriously though, they've got the very shady John's Hopkins working down there, a racist facist dictatorship and voodoo. What's not to like?

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 11 2004, 09:41 PM

Phaeton:

Well then, I guess I know who takes the pill

Posted by: Phaeton Jul 11 2004, 09:46 PM

Posted by: Nephyte Jul 11 2004, 09:58 PM

First of all, I object to blowing Vancouver away Now, you might say I am biased in the matter (being from Vancouver ... ) but I have another reason entirely.


It's one of the few major cities in the SSC and it *does* get Canon mention in some places.


That aside, I say blow up Toronto if you want to take out a former Canadian city.


Also, the Mayo Clinic is in Rochester, Minnesota I believe. (Post-Google Search - I win!)

Posted by: BitBasher Jul 11 2004, 10:07 PM

Posted by: Kesh Jul 12 2004, 12:30 AM

Cleveland, OH.

After all, it's pretty nasty in places already. And no one would miss it if you did nuke it.

You've got lots of industry, commerce, some sports, some entertainment, and all the water traffic on Lake Erie. Not to mention pollution, crime, corruption, etc.

Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jul 12 2004, 01:31 AM

Ohio might be a good place to look in general. In addition to Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus (all of which contain universities and corporations that would take care of your requiremants), there's lower level cities like Akron, Dayton, and Delaware that are growing pretty quickly. And I imagine Ohio will be pretty much merged into 1 or 2 sprawls by the 50s or 60s, so if you need particulars you can borrow from other cities nearby and lump them as one big metroplex.

Posted by: cykotek Jul 12 2004, 02:32 AM

Worcester, MA. Seriously. Would you believe it's the second largest city in New England? There's already a good deal of biotech research in the city, as well as within an hour or so drive. Admittedly, as a city, it's kinda overshadowed by Boston. And, right now, it's much more of a horizontal city than a vertical city (city laws mandate no new buildings higher than 3 stories without ultra-special approval). That's not too hard to deal with, though. It's also a bit rundown and grimy. And there's no way in *hell* that it's ever going to get mentioned in canon. Ever. And I hope you mean "not missed" to be "blown up". I like to imagine that happening sometimes.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Jul 12 2004, 02:33 AM

Kesh and CCB had the same thoughts I did, something in Ohio. Major cities but nothing that won't be missed.

Posted by: Phaeton Jul 12 2004, 02:36 AM

Well, Tallahassee is fair game, I think, if you want to use a CAS...The mosquitos here need to be taught a lesson, the only big things here are the capitol tower and the governor's (also current prez's brother's) mansion...I think. Well, that and me, BGFMH(?), and a few others live here...But by 2060 I doubt we'll still be sticking around here.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Jul 12 2004, 02:38 AM

I thought Springfield was #2 in New England. Seriously Worcester's enough of a pit, who'd noticed?

Hartford might be a good call- it's a small city but surrounded by affluent suburbs, lots of Colleges (7) so you've got education, it's the center for Insurance Corps in the US so there's lots of corp environments and major defense industry- Colt fire arms and General Dynamics are in the suburbs and just down the river is Electric boat (submarines). It's tow hours from Boston and from New York so it's between major centers and it's got more media hubs in it than any other city in New England except Boston.

Posted by: kevyn668 Jul 12 2004, 03:08 AM

Heh. I was going to suggest Worcester, MA. I guess you've been there?

Okay, here's a few for you (in no particular order):

Bridgeport, CT (dying industrial city near NYC and if your ever drive through it, to quote Chevy Chase: "Roll 'em up!")
Syracuse, NY (Centrally located, thirving pharmacutical corps, big mall)
Elmira, NY (dying industrial city, Big prison, crappy town)
New Haven, CT (well, Yale's there...not much else going on)
Worcester, MA (see above)
Manchester, NH (I actually like this city but have your way with it )

Let me know what you think.

Posted by: Crimsondude 2.0 Jul 12 2004, 04:04 AM

Posted by: CircuitBoyBlue Jul 12 2004, 09:37 AM

I gotta wonder if my name's getting put on a list for having participated in a thread about which cities can be blown up, and who among us would miss them...

And as for there being cities West of the Mississippi, I doubt it. At least, I've never seen them, except for one time when I had a layover in LA, and even then it was dark and foggy. So when you prove it to me, I'll believe it. Seriously, though, in SR, how many of them would be left? I've always been under the impression most places got emptied out after the Amerindian wars, and the NAN are a lot less urban centered than the old US was.

Posted by: TimeKeeper Jul 12 2004, 10:35 AM

I always figured the bigger cities of certian states/teritories were turned into the Anglo reservations in some wierd twist of irony...

I kinda pictured Boise, ID as one recently for the Wiki project mentioned on the Mailing list.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Jul 12 2004, 11:16 AM

Most pinkskins were driven out of the NAN. Some cities were kept but yeah, there's a lot more open space. NAN population was one of the biggest "oops" back when SR came out in '89 and they've never quite solved it-the indians aren't that populous to cover half the continent in fully functional nationstates. even with them making babies like mad, 50 years on still will not have come close to that part of the population that is displaced.

Posted by: BGMFH Jul 12 2004, 02:05 PM

Posted by: Nikoli Jul 12 2004, 02:10 PM

Dayton, OH also has the Wright-Pat Air force base. (where Project Bluebook, Project Mogul, and several other projects and most of the shenannegans that may or may not have happened in Roswell, NM was moved)

Posted by: Siege Jul 12 2004, 03:50 PM

Clones.

With a genetic drift tossed in to avoid exact duplication of parent cells.

-Siege

Posted by: locomotiveman Jul 12 2004, 04:49 PM

You could go with New London or Providence too (do you suppose with the loss of the south they might move the Atlantic fleet back to Quanset?)

Posted by: Crimsondude 2.0 Jul 12 2004, 11:49 PM

Posted by: Crimsondude 2.0 Jul 12 2004, 11:53 PM

Posted by: LaughingTiger Jul 13 2004, 12:19 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhh, geo-bias, gotta love it.

"fly over country" indeed.

St. Louis has a thriving medical research community and is exactly what you're looking for. We've got several major hospitals that tie in to Washington University, one of the best medical schools in teh county and St. Louis University, also a top notch school. Biomedical companies are taking advantage of the boom to the West. We've got major road, air and water access.

And since you didn't even realize it was here, would you miss it? Would any coasters, who seem to think the country stops about 100 miles from either coast?

Prolly not.

Posted by: Jason Farlander Jul 13 2004, 01:09 AM

I was going to suggest St Louis (dont forget Monsanto and Sigma Aldritch in addition to Wash U and SLU - STL is really quite a hub for bio/chemtech), but it *is* mentioned in SONA as being the only city to exist as part of both the UCAS and the CAS, and being a major smuggling haven as a result of that fact.

On the other hand, I do have my doubts that STL will be directly involved in any metaplot in the forseeable future (as evidenced here, its status as a decently large city tends to be ignored). So maybe you should go ahead and use it. The smuggling center aspect even gives a convenient excuse to plop your runners there.

Posted by: LaughingTiger Jul 13 2004, 04:28 AM

That's exactly what I'm using it for in my campaign. I didn't know my city was mentioned in SONA, I'll have to pick up the book now. But it's nice to know that my homebrew ideas don't conflict with canon. yay me, I guess.

Posted by: Nephyte Jul 13 2004, 07:05 PM

Personally I think you should get rid of a French City. Who'd miss one of those?























*Runs away from Snow Fox*

Posted by: Nath Jul 13 2004, 07:25 PM

*You bump into me*

Posted by: Nephyte Jul 13 2004, 07:28 PM

Doh!


*whistles innocently*
*backs up slowly*
*Runs in a direction perpendicular to his former route*

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 13 2004, 11:37 PM

*Looks oddly at the Nephyte that just ran headlong into him*

~J

Posted by: simonw2000 Jul 14 2004, 09:16 AM

Posted by: OurTeam Jul 14 2004, 09:43 AM

I vote along with BGMFH. Disrupt Atlantic City, New Jersey. Besides the Casinos, the characters may enjoy driving around in a city that feels like a Monopoly board.

Posted by: otomik Jul 14 2004, 04:13 PM

I live in Columbus Ohio
they have Ross Laboratories and OSU is a top rate research university. it's said to be an important as a transportation hub as well as the capital of ohio but it's nothing that couldn't be taken over by robotic trucking/monorails and or cleveland cincinatti. nuke us please.

Posted by: Skeptical Clown Jul 14 2004, 05:43 PM

Posted by: Fygg Nuuton Jul 14 2004, 06:30 PM

having lived ten years in cleveland i have to say it really is the mistake on the lake, and should be bombed to all hell and back, it is a disposable city, nobody would miss it

Posted by: Lindt Jul 15 2004, 04:46 PM

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Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 16 2004, 01:15 AM

NYC is corp-owned, so it's not going to be capital of anything ever.

Worcester is a possibility. I'd have to work in the College of the Holy Cross and some insane Classics majors then, though.

~J

Posted by: Dragonslayer Jul 16 2004, 04:36 PM

I live in Cincinnati Ohio, and I want you to pick Cincy for some reason. Quick run down of what's actually here, GE aircraft engines, as I recall one of 2 locations that gets to work on things like stealth bombers and such. P&G which does tons of business in home goods and such. Here in Cincy when you buy things like laundry detergent you get to choose between competing P&G brands, and that's in our world, without megacorporations running things. Dayton's a short trip up I-75 and as was mentioned before Wright-Patterson airforce base is there, and, again going just from memory, it's one of the largest air force bases in the US. Ohio stays UCAS so there's a good chance Wright-Patt would be expanded. When I ran a few runs in Cincy for my group I played it that Cincy had merged with Dayton and Northern Kentucky, not a very dense metroplex, but one that made sense, especially Cincy/N KY. I turned Covington into a slum which made things interesting because downtown Cincy was somewhat higher class and you could look into the slums from across the river.

That being said, I also like the idea of Vancouver. Mainly because no matter what happens it's unlikely for a city to become a smoking hole in the ground. More than likely there's going to be rubble, collapsed buildings maybe, and survivors. It'd be fun to have a post-apacolyptic city near to Seattle since I think most games at least have something to do with Seattle.

Posted by: Jari_Kafghan Jul 16 2004, 07:21 PM

In all honesty, it isn't one city but more and more becomeing something akin to a metroplex. The Harrisburg-York-Lancaster area in Pennsylvania

Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 16 2004, 09:20 PM

Players: no peeking. This means you, Phaeton!

Posted by: Blaze Jul 17 2004, 12:10 AM

On a bit of an SoE theme (guess whose copy arrived this morning?) I can reccomend the rapid depopulation of Nottingham UK (well, probably Midsprawl- you can expect it to combine with Leicester and Derby given time) or The Hague UNL- neither seem to serve a useful purpose save for providing me with sofas to sleep on and cats to terrorise. Both also have a decent excuse for ickiness (QMC in Nottingham, Hague backing onto Europort).

Posted by: Kesh Jul 17 2004, 03:38 AM

Posted by: Dragonslayer Jul 17 2004, 06:57 AM

Yeah, as I recall I had most of the local stuff, GE, P&G, and Kroger get rolled into one local corp that was a subsidiary of Ares. So there was lots of pro-Ares things happening. Like bulldozing parks and such to build weapons plants. I was really taking advantage of the nicer areas of present Cincy and tearing them up. I almost forgot, we've got riverboat gambling in the area and Newport used to be run by the mafia, so its not too terrible a stretch to have the mafia back running things. I think I had Renraku building underground facilities beneath some of the historical villages that surround Cincy. It was a good time.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Jul 17 2004, 03:44 PM