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Posted by: 3Threes Jul 15 2004, 12:25 AM
The Brotherhood $$
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=5933610&rnd=1089849704682&has-player=true&version=6.0.11.847
-3Threes
Posted by: Voorhees Jul 15 2004, 12:36 AM
That is so goddamn stupid I can't even put it into words.
Posted by: Backgammon Jul 15 2004, 12:37 AM
That is totally and absolutely fucked up.
Posted by: de4dmeta1 Jul 15 2004, 12:45 AM
I don't think I can find the right words for this.
As a friend of mine would put it, this is yet more proof that certain people should be dragged into the street and shot multiple times. But he's a bit of an extremist.
Posted by: Jason Farlander Jul 15 2004, 12:49 AM
While I'm going to go out on a limb and say this has absolutely nothing to actually do with Shadowrun, I will also go ahead and voice my opinion that it is things like this that make me mourn the incredible, mind-boggling idocy that is only becoming more prevalent as a we continue to remove/reduce selective pressures on ourselves as a species.
Anyone who intentionally infects themselves with a disease should quite simply not be allowed treatment for that disease.
Posted by: Ancient History Jul 15 2004, 01:00 AM
This should be ported over to Bulldrek.
On a relevancy issue: you could do this with some variant of the now-included magician-sensitive diseases. Or HMHVV.
Posted by: Voorhees Jul 15 2004, 01:04 AM
"Yeah, it would totally turn me on to get bitten by a vampire."
I suppose it would appeal to Hot Topic kids.
Posted by: Diesel Jul 15 2004, 01:18 AM
I think he's showing that the UB really doesn't need those fancy ads, when there's people like this out in the world.
Posted by: Nerbert Jul 15 2004, 01:30 AM
it doesn't bother me that much, idiocy tends to breed itself out of the population...
Posted by: BitBasher Jul 15 2004, 01:38 AM
Er yeah, some dud came up with that.. Darwin I think it was 
Posted by: Ancient History Jul 15 2004, 01:42 AM
Nay, Darwin's proponents say survival of the fittest, not the most intelligent. Go read Bruce Sterling's "Our Neural Chernobyl."
Novel: Psychotrope. Underground female vampire rocker; sexual/feeding encounter with young fan; infection prevented by prototype <antibody? immunization therepy?>; vampire was in on it, kid was not; father set it up. Yamatetsu(?).
Posted by: BitBasher Jul 15 2004, 01:49 AM
| QUOTE |
| Nay, Darwin's proponents say survival of the fittest, not the most intelligent. Go read Bruce Sterling's "Our Neural Chernobyl." |
Posted by: Zazen Jul 15 2004, 01:55 AM
Sure are a lot of cold-hearted assholes around here.
He doesn't deserve to be shot or denied treatment. He's not necessarily an idiot. The poor bastard needs psychological help, that's all.
Posted by: hobgoblin Jul 15 2004, 01:56 AM
i find it most nuts that he takes the time to ask what kind of milk was used and then goes on to say he was to become HIV positive. talk about a walking contradiction. i feel the person looked at HIV as a social magnet or something, kinda like when your broken your arm and everyone goes sad eyed and asks how its going and starts being all helpfull. no wonder there is a mental problem called munchhausen (with or without proxy), those people at ettention seekers that makes sure that they are allways on top of fashion and style. personaly i think they dont have a life as they dont have any opinions of their own...
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 15 2004, 01:59 AM
| QUOTE (Zazen) |
| cold-hearted assholes |
Someone call me?
~J
Posted by: hyzmarca Jul 15 2004, 02:39 AM
| QUOTE (Ancient History) |
| Nay, Darwin's proponents say survival of the fittest, not the most intelligent. Go read Bruce Sterling's "Our Neural Chernobyl." |
Darwin's theory was natural selection. Traits that help pass on genes will be selected for and those that don't will be selected out, due to both picky mates and shorter lifespans. Idiocy would be one of those traits that are selected out.
"Survival of the fittest" is the erm used by Social Darwinists. It basicly means that poor people deserve to be poor because they're inferior. Megacorps should like that philosophy.
Posted by: Shadow Jul 15 2004, 03:17 AM
This is idiocy. This man is purposely trying to become a drain on our society. Treating HIV is EXPENSIVE. I am sure he has insurance that will cover most of it. Of course over time they will have to raise their rates to everyone as a whole to make up for it.
The absolute worst part is, this moron thinks the disease is no big deal. Therefore he probably wont think twice about infecting someone else. I feel for the poor girl he infects cause he thinks it's cool. It's a death sentence is what it is. A slow, agonizing death sentence.
Which is exactly what should be given to anyone who purposely transmits the disease to someone else.
On a Shadowrun note: I could totally see hordes of teenage boys and girls trying to get infected with vampirism.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jul 15 2004, 03:20 AM
Some poor guy, unless he decides to switch sexual preferences after getting infected (or switches and then gets infected).
~J
Posted by: Cheesy Answer Jul 15 2004, 03:47 AM
Or switches while getting infected. 
Posted by: de4dmeta1 Jul 15 2004, 03:55 AM
| QUOTE (Zazen) |
| Sure are a lot of cold-hearted assholes around here. He doesn't deserve to be shot or denied treatment. He's not necessarily an idiot. The poor bastard needs psychological help, that's all. |
Hey, I can be nice when I want to be.
Besides, no-one would actually hunt them down and shoot them. Too much effort involved. I'll just wait for them to start showing up in the Darwin Awards.
Posted by: 3Threes Jul 15 2004, 08:07 AM
for those who dont wanna read it because it is too long - here are the parts that creepily reminded me of the Universal Brotherhood
| QUOTE |
| ...he has a secret life. Carlos is chasing the bug. ... they're bringing me into the brotherhood...The men who want the virus are called "bug chasers," and the men who freely give the virus to them are called "gift givers." ...The virus isn't horrible and fearsome, it's beautiful and sexy -- and delivered in the way that is most likely to result in infection. In this world, the men with HIV are the most desired, and the bug chasers will do anything to get the virus -- to "get knocked up," to be "bred" or "initiated into the brotherhood."...The more we are, the stronger we are...And about once a month, he does outreach volunteering in which he goes to clubs to hand out condoms and educate men about safe sex...He adds that bug chasers can be found in any major city... |
-3Threes
Posted by: Chance359 Jul 15 2004, 09:02 AM
| QUOTE |
| (Nerbert) it doesn't bother me that much, idiocy tends to breed itself out of the population... |
The only problem is that idiocy breeds faster than it removes it self, so it at the very least self sustaining, but more likely growing.
Posted by: BGMFH Jul 15 2004, 09:13 AM
| QUOTE (Zazen) |
| Sure are a lot of cold-hearted assholes around here. He doesn't deserve to be shot or denied treatment. He's not necessarily an idiot. The poor bastard needs psychological help, that's all. |
Sam Colt was a licensed Psychiatrist, and I'm just using his techniques to cure my insanity.
Posted by: Hunter Jul 15 2004, 09:23 AM
| QUOTE (BGMFH) | ||
Sam Colt was a licensed Psychiatrist, and I'm just using his techniques to cure my insanity. |
*snicker*
*snicker*
Posted by: lspahn72 Jul 15 2004, 01:38 PM
| QUOTE (Nerbert) |
| it doesn't bother me that much, idiocy tends to breed itself out of the population... |
Unfortunatly in our "ooo we must take care of everyone" liberal-socialist, lazy, do nothing... anyway, sorry, in our world we tend to take care of idiots, which allows them to breed and pass there defunked genes on to some other poor bastard who is an even bigger moron!!!
Posted by: Phaeton Jul 15 2004, 02:42 PM
My main thoughts on this...:
A) This has been a problem for a while. I dunno if it's a minor cult of sorts, or freakishly widespread. My dad says for me to get AIDS testing before I plan on having a child, and thus I likely will for safety's sake. Stupid-ass mother-fragging world. What's it coming to? 
B) They don't mind it? Well, I'll let them be the judge of that as they wither away horribly on a hospital bed.
C) And this is happening in a country founded by Puritans? My, how we've changed...
D) I forget what D was, but it was going to be in reply to lspahn's comment. Oh well.
Posted by: Plastic Rat Jul 15 2004, 02:54 PM
Problem is that in todays society, more intelligent people are having fewer kids so as to give them a better quality of life. Stupid people still breed like rabbits. They'll win eventually.
As far as psychological help for people like this? There are a stack of people out there who both WANT and are willing to ACCEPT help and can't afford it. Wasting it on people like this? I'd much rather see it go to Animal Care or another worthy cause.
Just wish they'd get on with it and kill each other off faster.
Posted by: Austere Emancipator Jul 15 2004, 03:27 PM
The Universal Brotherhood is going to be way bigger than this. I mean, HIV only kills you. Becoming a bug makes you stronger, faster, smarter and magical, not to mention actually being a meaningful part of an extremely powerful society.
These guys are just modern-day http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/heresy/circumcellions/, and it'd be better all around if they just slit their wrists and got it over with.
Posted by: Dashifen Jul 15 2004, 04:42 PM
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| "Yeah, it would totally turn me on to get bitten by a vampire." I suppose it would appeal to Hot Topic kids. |
Hey! I am a hot topic kid --- oh wait -- that would turn me on
Posted by: Lindt Jul 15 2004, 04:52 PM
Yeah, see my sig? Yeah... this guy too... but prehaps with a rusty tire iron insted.
Posted by: Oddfellow Jul 15 2004, 04:53 PM
I don't know if it matters, but this article ended up being descredited. It turns out the author only had one, very sketchy source. The doctors in the article claim to be outrageously misquoted, and no public health organization has found any real evidence of a "bug chaser" culture. Newsweek did a big expose on the whole thing, which can be found via a simple google search if you are interested.
Posted by: Phaeton Jul 15 2004, 04:54 PM
EDIT: Postkill initiated because Oddfellow's info popped up before I could post what I was gonna say. Carry on.
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