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Posted by: Lenice Hawk Nov 2 2004, 03:14 PM

Having studied gender a bit in college, and then seeing how much having a female dominated group affects our gameplay, I was curious if it affected the rest of yall the same way.
We have a male gm, female shammy, female face, and male...well he's hard to describe. The guy wants to shoot everything, but the shammy and I just negotiate through it, use trickery, or something like that.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 2 2004, 03:25 PM

Well, our group was fighting an Evil Physad ™ and the female member of our group was the one who absolutely refused to leave without completely insuring his death…

~J

Posted by: Cray74 Nov 2 2004, 03:50 PM

Mixed:

One regular female gamer killed about as often as the guys, and was a pretty good roleplayer.

The other tended to fall into the "shooting solves everything" category of rollplayers. After a while, her PCs would generally stop killing things when the male players asked her nicely for a little more discretion ("Shooting the bartender won't give us the information we're after..."), but there was a learning curve.

Posted by: Arethusa Nov 2 2004, 03:50 PM

As an initial disclaimer, as tempted as I am to make broad generalizations about women— and I'm not trying to be mean, but everyone knows that men are just smarter and better than women— well, I'll hold off.

The girls I've played with may not be indicative of girls in general, but two of the three were extremely inexperienced with RPGs in general, and, at least initially, they were, without a doubt, the most ludicrously vicious, cutthroat, mercenary players I'd ever run into. As one eventually became more familiar with RPGs, this let up and she was less bloodthirsty, but even her last character was occasionally a little uncomfortably sociopathic. The third I've played with was very experienced with RPGs (moreso than me, by far, though she was more of a heavy DnD/LARP person) and was more or less average in terms of her play style, leaning slightly towards less violence.

Seriously, I refuse to accept that gender is a determinant in this. Gender via social conditioning, popular culture, and familiarity with the medium and narrative media in general, absolutely, but not gender as an exclusive.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 2 2004, 04:01 PM

Chicks are psycho. Every last damn one of 'em. That's why I dig 'em so much. Well, that and the happy fun parts... but that's to be expected.

That aside, yes, women have a tendency to be a tad bit more vicious than men when they first start gaming in my experience especially on the sexual side of things -- escape from repression is a beautiful thing. But as they gain experience in gaming (as opposed to characters), they often become just as rational as anyone else... and that's why I chose the third option. Despite superficial and hormonal differences, they're just like guys. At least those who aren't busy trying to hide their true selves.

I have noticed they tend to play elves quite a bit, though. Damn elves.

Posted by: Lenice Hawk Nov 2 2004, 04:16 PM

Quick note, I am not referring to Gender as in XX vs XY, but rather more as encompassing what was earlier described, ie socialization, life exps.

That being said I'm surprised to hear so many with a feminine gender are so bloodthirsty. Perhaps it relates to preconceived notions, or perhaps it's a reaction to social repression of aggression. (Ok, enough big words for my day). Another thing I wonder, are girls who are likely to play shadowrun or any rpg more likely to be have aggressive tendencies?

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 04:22 PM

They tend to role play better than me

Then again, everyone tends to role play better than me.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 2 2004, 04:22 PM

For what it’s worth, out of the two least-bloodthirsty female gamers I know, one of them has decided she’s transgendered.

~J

Posted by: Edward Nov 2 2004, 04:29 PM

I have only played with a few female gamers abut in my experience they don’t do things by halves. Characters seem to be ether extremely violent of almost pacifistic. The tendency is towards violence but that is true of male payers as well but wether violent or sociable authoritarian or meek female gamers have in my experience taken the more extreme road. Often different extremes for different characters and in one case different extremes with the same character (very nice lady almost deserved pacifist until you find here vindictive streak).

Edward

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 2 2004, 04:45 PM

I have played with 7 girls in my life, every last one was crazy, evil, or goth. Normal, well adjusted girls don't roll play (at least not this kind of role play) and I have never met a girl who played shadowrun. They were all into Vampire, and LARP.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 04:47 PM

.....

Vampire. Psch. Figures.

Posted by: mfb Nov 2 2004, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (Doc Funkadelic)

I have noticed they tend to play elves quite a bit, though. Damn elves.

that's because they feel kinship with elves, since both races have a +1 CHA mod.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 2 2004, 06:29 PM

Now chicks are a race? (And elves have +2 Charisma, but who's counting?)

Posted by: JongWK Nov 2 2004, 06:51 PM

The SR campaign I run has 2 guys and 3 women. Go figure.

Posted by: Austere Emancipator Nov 2 2004, 06:56 PM

Doctor Funkenstein, I'm pretty sure mfb referred to this thread: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=5584

Posted by: Lenice Hawk Nov 2 2004, 06:56 PM

Hmm, well I'm not goth, and my husband says I'm not psycho all the time, so it must be the crazy.

QUOTE

that's because they feel kinship with elves, since both races have a +1 CHA mod.

Does this take into account whether they've shaved legs and pits recently? Bc that should definitely be a Neg. Cha mod.

But on a serious note, I know why I chose to Not play an "ugly" race. Many women have a hard time with their looks as it is. Why go play something in a fantasy where your uglier? Probably explains the high proportion of females who play elves.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 2 2004, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)

Doctor Funkenstein, I'm pretty sure mfb referred to this thread: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=5584

Missing in action for a few months and I miss out on all the interesting threads. Bah.

Posted by: Arethusa Nov 2 2004, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (Lenice Hawk)

Hmm, well I'm not goth, and my husband says I'm not psycho all the time, so it must be the crazy.

QUOTE

that's because they feel kinship with elves, since both races have a +1 CHA mod.

What, guys don't have issues with looks too?

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 2 2004, 07:29 PM

I don't have issues with looks....I just refuse to touch a girl who has any extra fat, does not work out, or is not really hot. I myself need to go to the gym and stuff to feel good about myself....I don't have isssues....don't say things like that.....

ok...maybe I have issues.

Posted by: Ecclesiastes Nov 2 2004, 07:33 PM

You are a gamer. I think its time to come back to reality and set your goals a little lower when it comes to females.

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 2 2004, 07:44 PM

LOL, It may sound funny but really. I am ex millitary, martial artist, did personal body guard work, now a insurance adjuster who is married with two kids.

My wife is very hot and I have found that as much as I usto like having wild times with hard bodies I like having fun playing with my kids more and its nice to know you have a reliable women at home who you really like to be with.

I think this is off subject. Sorry. LOL

Posted by: Ecclesiastes Nov 2 2004, 07:55 PM

Maybe you didn't get it the first time. You are a gamer. This means that you live in your mom's basement, with your bookshelf full of RPG books and comics. You are at least a hundred pounds overweight, a long shaggy beard, and more pimples than a fourteen year old. Oh yeah, you haven't showered in at least a month either.

(Those who have ever been to a gaming convention know just what I'm talking about. )

Posted by: Fortune Nov 2 2004, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)

This is almost exactly what I would have written if I'd got here first.

Er ... except for the 'Damn elves' bit, that is.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 2 2004, 08:43 PM

<just shakes his fist in the air towards those bloomin' faeries>

Posted by: mfb Nov 2 2004, 09:24 PM

damn elves.

Posted by: Shanshu Freeman Nov 2 2004, 09:27 PM

see sig for solstice quote

Posted by: Crimson Jack Nov 2 2004, 09:33 PM

I've been lucky to have the same gaming group for almost 8 years now and we've always had just one female in our group. I love her to death, but she's always the most pacifistic character in any game. On one hand, she picks up on more of the emotional content of our games, however this same quirk normally stays her hand when a snap action combat response is necessary. As the eternal GM for our group, its fine by me... the group does their fair share of rolling their eyes though.

Posted by: Backgammon Nov 2 2004, 09:53 PM

http://www.tasteslikephoenix.com/articles/women.html plug!

It's about women and roleplaying. Someone posted this a while back, and I had found it pretty interesting. Seems like the appropriate thread to bring it back up.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 2 2004, 10:08 PM

I hate that article so much.

~J

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 10:39 PM

So....women taste like pheonix? I didn't realize pheonix was so salty....

EDIT:

QUOTE

Most women, from the earliest ages, have one or two close companions with whom they share every part of their lives. This is so basic it can be hard for women to understand how men live without it. However, male players often forget to include a best friend when writing a female character's history. Even the most well-fleshed-out, interesting, distinct female characters can feel flat or wrong if they have been written with no understanding of the friends who helped shape them.

This is from the above article.

Quick check here. Is that actually true? Do all women have a secret super special friend that me being male cannot possibly hope to understand? Or is that just a load of bunk, as I suspect it is?

EDIT NUMBER 2:

I had a crappy afternoon today, and I was feeling kind of unhappy and morose, but as I read through the article linked above, something was able to make me burst out laughing....

QUOTE

DO NOT RAPE THEIR CHARACTER.

Ohhh-kaaay. Um, what groups have *you* been playing in?

QUOTE

Another friend of ours describes a game that "I was lucky to get out of when I did." On the night after she left, the party got arrested by the city watch. After throwing the PCs into separate cells, the male gamemaster had the guards rape every female character. The women left in tears and never returned to roleplaying, while, as our friend described incredulously, "the GM never understood what he did wrong."

I guess the recurring Shadowrun joke, Huggy The Troll, is off limits.

Posted by: Dashifen Nov 2 2004, 10:57 PM

perhaps in some games, huggy might be off limits. course, huggy just wants a friend. will you be huggy's friend?

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 10:59 PM

....which is what makes him all the more terrifying.

Posted by: DocMortand Nov 2 2004, 11:02 PM

Actually, here's a quirk to throw at people. I know males tend to play male chars, but I know several significant cases of males playing female chars.

Now all the female RPers I know play female chars...does anyone know if any female RPer plays or played a male char?

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 11:07 PM

I have never had a female player run a male character but I have had plenty of male characters running female chars.

This is the thing though. Male players are a lot more common and usually they only make female chars after playing for a while. So it's possible that female players not making male chars has more to do with their relative rareness than anything else.

Posted by: L.D Nov 2 2004, 11:17 PM

I've had a female players play several male characters.

Posted by: kryton Nov 2 2004, 11:23 PM

I don't know I think it depends on what kind of chicks you play with? Most "normal" girls I know IE my wife was pretty mundane wouldn't touch a roleplaying game if you paid them. Gaming has a certain stigma especially girls. I think then that girls that do play tend to be of the same social variety or category that guys are but there tend to be less because of the "stigma". I don't know too many prom queens who are gamers but I'm sure there out there. I think out of high school during college you get the same crowd and new folks. I think girls in college and out would be the most open. I know there have been some really scarey chicks as a few conventions I've been to. It's a wide range though as a whole. Most of my experience has been that there's been little or no difference and they just sort of fit in.

In high school in the early 90's I set up a gamers guild at my high school and we had girls who played. Two maybe three. I ran a game that "Aubrey*" played in. (For aubrey see www.somethingpositive.net for more information.) She handled herself well as a 9 foot tall troll. Although she did play the Elf Queen in the "Hobbit: The musical". I still ras her when after I graduated we hung out at her friends house and we drank, while a gamer friend of mine hit on her. (That had to be the funniest damn thing I've ever seen.) My first girlfriend was a gamer I met at a convention in Dallas. (She was uhhh a tad older at the time.) I gamed with her a few times and she was pretty normal. Maybe repressed girls tend to "break out" when gaming. Most of the girls I was friends with could hardly be categorized as "repressed".

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 11:24 PM

Oh, here's another gem from that article:

QUOTE

Roleplaying games allow people to act out fantasies in a forum where, as the ads and magazines say, "the only limit is your imagination." So think long and hard about what you and your imagination want. Killing another person's character primarily signifies "beating" them at the game, not a real desire to commit murder. Roleplaying rape means one thing, and can be legally prosecutable harassment.

Imagine how you would feel if every time a player mentioned killing your character, you knew they were wearing a gun.

Uh.....

Wow. What a WEIRD thing to say.

If someone wanted to kill me they could kill me unarmed. Chokes? Neckbreakers? Vehicular homicide? Hello?

So, does this mean that whenever someone kills my character I have to be afraid of them if they own a car? Because, you know...they might run me over with the car, since their real goal is to kill me.

Posted by: Whizbang Nov 2 2004, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)

*is a female that plays male characters*

Actually, when I started playing, my characters were exclisivly male. Now I've been getting more into female characters. Still don't know why I have a tendency for male chars...perhaps trying to get as far from reality as possible. Or trying to create the ideal man.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 2 2004, 11:39 PM

Well, with the *males* (myself included) who have created and run female characters I think that there is often some element of wish fulfillment.

It can be kind of hard to find women who are combative. I've known a few in the context of judo and kickboxing clubs who were tough and wild enough to go full contact with everyone else. But by and large a lot of women aren't really into the whole physically aggressive sports thing even though they really should due to higher pain tolerance. One woman recently told me, "Girls don't think in terms of judo moves." Even though women tend to be very accurate with firearms in many cases there will be more men than women in a firearms class. If members of the general public sign up for a martial arts class but it turns out to be a pretty serious hand to hand combat class that deals with things like head throws and limb breaking there's usually a high dropout rate due to squeamishness and in many cases the female dropout rate is even higher than the male dropout rate. I blame Barbie for all that wasted potential.

But in the context of Shadowrun you can create a woman who is cooler than usual because she has Assault Rifles 6 (12).

Posted by: Whizbang Nov 2 2004, 11:40 PM

Yeah...my characters tend more towards finess when it comes to combat than brute strenght.

Posted by: Lenice Hawk Nov 3 2004, 04:24 AM

The comment on rape seems to have two purposes.
1) Educating a community that sometimes lacks common sense.

Yeah, I know huge generalization. I realize many gamers have common sense, and know what to say and what not to say and how to avoid major social faux paus such as raping a female character. But many, especially teen boys, don't quite get it. I teach at a middle school. Believe me, they don't get anything we assume to be known.

2)Some studies show that as many as 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted in some way ( this ranges from a grope to rape).

Now I don't know about other women, but I am a relatively new gamer, and I still identify with my character a ton. So, if someone rapes my character, I'd feel threatened.

All in all a very good article.

Posted by: Wounded Ronin Nov 3 2004, 04:54 AM

I'm male, but I've been groped in a gross and scary way! I was at a seedy bar picking up a 40 and some crazy old woman hugged me and kissed the back of my neck. It was pretty disturbing, to tell the truth. Unwelcome kissing counts as groping, right? I feel this makes me special because while the issue of women being molested in some way gets the most attention you hardly ever hear about when it affects males.

In any case, maybe it's just because I'm jaded or perverted or something, but if someone molested one of my RPG characters I think that I'd just burst out laughing or something.

I mean, it dosen't bother me if my character is brutally killed or horribly wounded. So why should anything else bother me?

In a recent game I GMed, a player was put in a position where if he answered a riddle wrong his character's soul would be ripped out and imprisoned forever. But he kept cool, thought about it, and answered it right. Didn't seem to bother him. And that kind of thing is, well, would be a really horrible thing if it really happened to someone.

Posted by: Kremlin KOA Nov 3 2004, 06:00 AM

am male, hae been raped, and have since used the concept as a story plot element in games... sometimes the grimy side of a setting needs to be shown

Posted by: Arethusa Nov 3 2004, 06:11 AM

I honestly could not believe that Do Not Rape Their Character got its own entry. That just defies all fucking reason.

Now, it's one thing to involve rape and other forms of extraordinary inhumanity in a game or any other media. That's disturbing, but with purpose, it isn't gratuitous. Rape for entertainment, on the other hand, is just astoundingly sick and disturbing. If a fellow player decided to rape my character, he or she'd better hope it serves the narrative or someone's going to be learning how to walk again.

Posted by: Crimson Jack Nov 3 2004, 06:24 AM

QUOTE (Arethusa)

If a fellow player decided to rape my character, he or she'd better hope it serves the narrative or someone's going to be learning how to walk again.

Just make the offender watch the movie Irreversible.

Posted by: Fortune Nov 3 2004, 06:26 AM

I know a couple of people who 'really like' that movie, and especially that scene ... a little too much!

Posted by: Crimson Jack Nov 3 2004, 06:32 AM

Damn. That's pretty sick.

Posted by: Edward Nov 3 2004, 07:33 AM

QUOTE (Lenice Hawk)

Hmm, well I'm not goth, and my husband says I'm not psycho all the time, so it must be the crazy.

QUOTE

that's because they feel kinship with elves, since both races have a +1 CHA mod.

Do you have any idea how much trouble I had trying to stop my girlfriend shaving her legs? Silky smooth for a few hours and then scratchy for a week, and due to the colour of her hair you couldn’t even see the hair unless you where actually looking.

As to raping characters I have seen more overt violent sexual acts committed by female players than male. But like I said, in my experience female players tend to take an extreme.

I have indeed seen female players play male characters. Considering the smaller number of female players it is just as common as male players with female characters.

Personally I would never platy a well adjusted female character because I don’t understand how females think. I was proved well correct when I told a female gamer this and she took it as an insult. I still don’t understand why.

Edward

Posted by: Kremlin KOA Nov 3 2004, 07:56 AM

Edward, you are so right on the money there. Also the girl I was seeing a couple of weeks before Edward hooked up with the girl in question, had the albino equivalent of the night one facial fur. it was only noticable if your eyes were within an inch and a half of her face, and at any other distance seriously ADDED to her attractiveness. so the shaving thing is not as universally adored by men as some think

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 3 2004, 08:02 AM

QUOTE (Edward)

Personally I would never platy a well adjusted female character because I don’t understand how females think. I was proved well correct when I told a female gamer this and she took it as an insult. I still don’t understand why.

QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)

Chicks are psycho. Every last damn one of 'em.

It's a well-established fact.

Posted by: Stumps Nov 3 2004, 11:19 AM

Girls may be perceived as timid and all by some people but you cross them after they've trusted you for any reason they might have had to do so and they will want to see your eyes roll back in your head after listening to your screams fill with blood.

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 3 2004, 05:25 PM

I have never raped a female or male charecter, but once had a female charecter pin me, cut off my package, and then get me to the hosbital just so she could be sure i lived with out it...I think she was offended when I told her she needed more make up because the natrual look was just not working for her.

Posted by: icharbezol Nov 3 2004, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (mfb @ Nov 2 2004, 04:24 PM)

damn elves.

Gotta love 'em

Especially those former Sioux Wildcats running from their government who, despite their extreme racial and national pride, decide to undergo extreme cosmetic surgery to become a "White Chick" in order to survive long enough to clear her name.

Posted by: Lenice Hawk Nov 3 2004, 06:57 PM

I agree rape can be a part of the story element, however committing it against another character, just not a good idea. If the women player has been assaulted, your stirring up a whole world of hurt for her, hurt that doesn't need to be made in a game that's played for fun.
If the girl hasn't, beleive me, it is a fear for her, as it is for every woman, and bringing fears in is going to be counter productive to the point of the game, which is again, to have fun.

That being said, women who do play shouldn't be cutting off your member, etc. They, as well as the teenage men ( and older men) obviously need to be educated in what is appropriate.

An example from my second run: The one male player was being a dick and kept making sexual innuendos to my characterl, constantly. At this point in time I had not yet learned to ignore him. So I decided to teach him a lesson. I first thought about smacking him in the groin with my shock glove, but found out this could do real harm to his character, so I hit him in the inner thigh instead. Painful, but not mutilating.

Perhaps, if you feel it necessary to describe the grit of the story, have the character get groped, and give her a chance to react to it. This is much lower key, and most women can put this into the correct the perspective, though honestly, just having it happen to an npc would be best.

Ok, one more somewhat off topic comment.
My opinion on why you don't hear about men being raped is men are less likely to report it, and less likely to be believed. Men are not supposed to be victoms (according to what I've observed), and if you are raped, don't tell anyone. Please, if I'm off on this, correct me.

Posted by: Nikoli Nov 3 2004, 07:05 PM

Well, Lenice that's part of it to be sure. There is also the opinion among the more vocal members of the "Feminist group" which is in truth a very fractured concept with many subtleties etc. that puts forward the idea inthe media and such that men are never victems in the same sense of the word as women, ever. If a woman says she has been raped, she is protected, sheltered and given every possible benefit of the doubt usually without investigation of the accused in a non public format (take the recent Kobe Bryant case) where if a man is raped, it is often said he deserved it. The truly perverse thing about this attitude and 'policy' is that this attitude towards men as victems is sadly how women were once seen when victemized.

But to reign this in to an RPG stand point, if a GM wants to use something as gritty as rape in a plot line and have it directly happen to a female PC (regardless of the gender of the player) they should speak with the player beforehand and find out how much detail is enough, let them know the reasons behind it, reassure them it's not an attack on them personally and make sure that they and the other PC's have a way to prevent it, all that stuff, if they are uncomfortable with it, then do not do it. It's that simple. A little fudging of realism for the sake of everyone's fun can go a long way towards a better gaming experience.

Posted by: nezumi Nov 3 2004, 07:09 PM

To get back on topic...

This is based EXCLUSIVELY off of my own personal experience, and is in NO WAY indicative of the race of women on the whole.

In my experience, women seem to have the advantage of not suffering from the '13 year old psycho' problem that afflicts so many of us males (you know what I'm talking about, when you played from the ages of 13 until 16 as street sams and uber powerful mages exclusively, and the best missions involved lots of explosives). The females I've played with are hesitant to engage in violence, both because they realize its usually not the best method, and more importantly, because they simply don't enjoy playing that out. Generally they avoid anything thats mechanics heavy IN MY EXPERIENCE. This forced them to be better ROLEplayers, in that they socialized and dealt with problems creatively...

HOWEVER, they tended not to deal well with the world in general. They usually wouldn't do the background research on what did what why, they didn't care about learning how electronic items worked, even if that was their specialty, and a lot of the nitty gritty details were wasted upon them. My wife is an exception to this, but thats partially because I tricked her into reading stuff (she didn't care to learn the names of important people, so I started reading her shadowrun novels as bedtime stories). This is fine and good in a game that relies heavily on the real world, or on a fantasy world everyone knows, but when you get into specialized situations, it could cause problems (as the electronics specialist stood outside the locked door, staring at the electronic keypad and scratching her head).

So far my best players have all been male, however my worst players have been as well.

Posted by: Edward Nov 3 2004, 08:21 PM

Last time I saw a legal definition of rape, by definition, a man could never be the victim. It would have to be prosecuted as the highest level of sexual assault short of rape. This was however some time ago so things may be different now. I looked it up after noticing a newspaper article listing reports and convictions for sexual assaults on men and women listing that no male had ever reported being the victim of a rape (I forget wether it was Australia or just WA)

Personally I try to avoid any sexual or romantic involvement with another PC in any RPG. If played properly most romances end and many end badly often with the participants not wanting to work together again. While the romance is ongoing there is a tendency to protect your loved one witch got me in quite a lot of trouble OOC with one game (I knew that was a no win situation the moment the female players female character cracked on to me).

Edward

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 3 2004, 09:01 PM

In Ireland, at least as of 2001, if a 16-year-old girl has sex with an 8-year-old boy, the boy is technically guilty of statutory rape punishable by five years in prison. Keep the boy the same age and kick the girl down to 14 and the maximum penalty is life in prison. Furthermore, the definition of rape is sexual intercourse by a man with a woman who does not consent to it.

The fucked-up nature of many sexual assault laws is a disturbingly little-known topic.

~J

Posted by: Backgammon Nov 3 2004, 09:38 PM

QUOTE

(she didn't care to learn the names of important people, so I started reading her shadowrun novels as bedtime stories).

That's amazing. You get bonus points.

Posted by: Snow_Fox Nov 4 2004, 02:28 AM

since I am female I've never played in a game without one(me) but ZI think we keep the players a little better focused, or at least their manners stay out of the toilet..

Posted by: Necro Tech Nov 4 2004, 03:16 AM

Man I so wish that was the case. In over 20 years of gaming I have yet to see the inclusion of women players significantly alter the behavior of many male players. People who play in the gutter tend to do so regardless of wether or not women, old ladies, small children, clergy or the general public at large is in ear shot. I try to keep it at a minimum with people I don't know well but that goes if said new player is male or female.

Posted by: hyzmarca Nov 4 2004, 03:54 AM

QUOTE (Edward)

It depends on the jurisdiction. New York streamlined its rape statute not so long ago. The new statute reads.

NY PENAL § 130.35 - Rape in the first degree

A person is guilty of rape in the first degree when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person:

1. By forcible compulsion; or

2. Who is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless

I'm not sure, but I believe that the Model Penal Code, which generally reflects US laws, doesn't make a distinction between a man raping a woman and a woman raping a man,

It is also interesting to note that not long ago,in New York, a 12 year old girl was charged with first degree statutory rape for having consentual sex with a 9 year old neighbor.

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 4 2004, 04:38 PM

OK, reading the tread from last night has propted this response.

First, the idea of Men getting raped. Now i don't care what your definition of the word is. A person who is willing to rape another man is not a man (or even human). He is a weak pathetic person who can not confront his own life or others. When you look at a court case of rape the women who is raped has been watched for some time (normally) and is alone or just with one child. The rapist covers his face and most of the time theres as well. Uses threats and over powers them. With this in mind. A man would not be the victim of rape by another man because the rapist could not confront the man.

This excludes prison of course (there are no women to rape...)

As for a man being raped by a women...I just don't see it happening. Maybe, but really, we would have to go along with it at some point. LOL.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 4 2004, 04:41 PM

Oh good lord. First Bush actually wins an election, and now I see posts like this. There is no hope for the future.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 4 2004, 04:48 PM

Bull.

~J

Posted by: Kremlin KOA Nov 4 2004, 05:37 PM

Gaiaswrath I speak from personal experience when I say you have no idea what you are talking about. remember no matter how strong you are EVERYBODY sleeps

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 4 2004, 05:47 PM

Gaiaswrath, you have hurdled to extreme new levels of insensitivity.

Posted by: Arethusa Nov 4 2004, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)

Oh good lord. First Bush actually wins an election, and now I see posts like this. There is no hope for the future.

I'll be huddled in the corner sobbing until I can rebut that.

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 4 2004, 06:31 PM

Thank you. Glad I could bring some sunshine into your life.

Sorry if you disagree. The truth it, this is not the time or place for this type of conversation. This is a gaming post. And yes I posted my opion on this board because other people were doing the same.

Sorry if you were offending, but I feel rapist are dirty low little people and if a MAN put him self in the position to be raped by another man or women you got more issues than the rape itself.

And since you all disagree with my veiw of a rapist maybe you could tell me who has delt with them before? I have helped the police put three of them in jail. One I knew, one I caught in a club I was working for, and one who did it to my best female friend. I know what these weak little people are like, do you?

That is all I will say on this matter as I am sure it will just continue to be a downward spiral of unpset and anger.

Posted by: Doctor Funkenstein Nov 4 2004, 06:48 PM

Wow. You honestly think it's your view on the rapist that people are having a problem with? Good frelling God, man.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 4 2004, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (GaiasWrath8)

if a MAN put him self in the position to be raped by another man or women you got more issues than the rape itself.

You're blaming the victim. That's like saying that a woman is asking to get raped if she wears a sexy dress.

Posted by: GaiasWrath8 Nov 4 2004, 07:14 PM

You people are sheep, take some responcability for your condition. A Man being raped is a lot difrent from a women being raped despite your personal emotional veiw point. I never said anything about a women puting herself in that posion. I said a man putting himself there is sad. If you are weak and pathetic enough to get raped as a MAN then I have no pity for. I will not walk on egg shells for you. I'm done with this post, by.

Posted by: Moon-Hawk Nov 4 2004, 07:24 PM

Wow.
Just.....wow.

Posted by: Adam Nov 4 2004, 07:29 PM

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I'm done with this post, by.

Good thing.

Someone please re-start this thread so it can get back on topic.