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Posted by: Solidcobra Sep 9 2003, 10:13 PM

Called: ROBOCOP!

i didn't notice but Robocop is JUST like SR, really!


Police=Lone star
The gigacorp=A gigacorp (Probably Ares)
Those (as said in both SR and Robo) "SOTA Grade A Bang-Bang" guns=panthers
Robocop himself can be made (EASILY) using Man and Machine and the Main Book, using Cannon Companion will help as well (Custom Überpistol for weapon, Heavy Hardened Military Armor for Armor)
Corruption in the corp=Corruption in the corp
If some experiment fails, what to do? You give some street drek(Shadowrunners) military stuff(panther) and let them kill it!
The whole thing has that gritty "Shadowrun" feel....

how was i so blind? i mean, every single person south of the north pole must have noticed!

Are there any other heavy (or extreme) SR references in movies?

Posted by: darloth Sep 10 2003, 12:35 AM

GitS!

(To expand my acronym, incase anyone thinks i'm insulting them: )

Ghost in the Shell - Good anime film, that could have been -completely- set in the shadowrun universe.

Only things it lacks are magic and metahumans, which aren't quite as common in japan anyway.

I mean, it has it down to smartlinked snipers, 4 legged drone tank thingies, and of course, Thermoptic camo.

Not to mention the gridguide similarities (read Rigger 3) for the holomap, etc.

Posted by: phelious fogg Sep 10 2003, 12:38 AM

Wait, what about Johnny Nemonic....

Posted by: AK404 Sep 10 2003, 12:40 AM

Don't forget that Robocop was so heavily cybered up that he could only eat baby food because he lacked a digestive system. Can you imagine your street sam or a cyberzombie doing that?

"What the fuck are you looking at?"

"Um...nothing."

"That's right. Now get the hell out of here before I smash these strained peas in your face!"

Oh, and a stupid fact. If you own the original BBB, look at the picture of the Ares Predator. Look familiar?

Posted by: sapphire_wyvern Sep 10 2003, 12:54 AM

Posted by: Crimson Jack Sep 10 2003, 12:57 AM

Plus, Paul Verhoven always does a good job at upping the campiness of futuristic advertising. 6000 SUX! The old school SR books had some pretty funny ads in 'em.

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Posted by: Dr Komuso Sep 10 2003, 02:47 AM

There's a pretty cool movie from 92 (I believe) called Split Second. Starring Rutger Hauer, who's already got that "street samurai on the edge" look about him, looking identical to Jake Armitage from the old SNES Shadowrun game. The movie is set in a London, where a faulty bio-dome covering that was supposed to protect the city from the enviroment instead results in a lot of rain. The characters refer to London as The Smoke, Reutger Hauer wields a pistol identical to a Browning Max Power and, later on, a Vindicator mini-gun. If that's not enough, they use "drek" and "frag" extensively. There's a few references to a world wide Matrix. Oh, and Rutger is hunting down a heart-eating, sewer dwelling beast that looks suspiciously like a fleshform bug spirit.

Oh yeah, and there's devil rats. Lots of devil rats.

All of this is, of course, layered on top of the already established "Shadowrun-look", first created by Blade Runner. Day-glo and neon refracting off the rain puddles can't hide the grit.

Posted by: Dr Komuso Sep 10 2003, 02:53 AM

Oh, there's also Strange Days. Written by James Cameron, it's basically about a BTL dealer who uncovers a murder conspiracy. Once again we have the archtypical Shadowrun style club, and the way they do simsense and BTL addiction is pretty much spot on. Even though it's set in 1999, right at the turn of the millenium, the general style and setting of everything makes it easy to imagine it being pre-Awakening SR.

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Posted by: kevyn668 Sep 10 2003, 01:22 PM

Don't forget the bar scene w/ "knights in white satin" playing in the background...

Posted by: Solidcobra Sep 10 2003, 01:22 PM

oh! time to check on my local book store/video store......

thanks!

Posted by: Hot Wheels Sep 10 2003, 01:41 PM

"Strange Days" was a case of BTL dealer who caught a political murder on a BTL.

"Robocop" is the example we give for a "smart link" to a new player.

Posted by: Spookymonster Sep 10 2003, 04:35 PM

The Crow = physad vs. Scatterbrains in the Barrens on the annual Night of Rage 'celebration'.

Posted by: hobgoblin Sep 10 2003, 07:43 PM

robocop is a perfect example of a cyberzombie, and the gun he uses looks so mutch like a burst fire ares predator (why burst fire? listen)...

Posted by: Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate Sep 10 2003, 08:37 PM

Going back to the Cowboy Bebop reference....

I plan on showing the entire scene from the movie where Spike infiltrates the pharmacutical plant to my players. I will narrate the similarities between this intrusion and much of the work they do. When Spike gets a gun pulled on him, I will say, "This is the part where your run gets hosed." When Spike fights his way out past 100 guards in mil-spec, I will say, "Yes, this is the absolutely coolest way to ride out of an installation. You are not Spike. You will die."

Though if any of the characters is spotting a 'fro, I might be a little lenient...

Posted by: Sepherim Sep 11 2003, 12:32 AM

I'd ckeck out Akira too. Though it has some difference with SR, it does have tons of similarities, and some pretty nice motorcicles that I'd bet would make the dreams of any Ancient ganger!

And another anime you'd might want to check is Jin-Roh. It could be descibed as the story of a Red Samurai, and it really is a great story.

Blade Runner is a must, of course. Especially for the ambient of the world, and Vangelis' soundtrack.

Mystery Men, which stinks as a movie, has a completely cyberpunk city as a setting, pretty similar to the one in Blade Runner. And Double Dragon, which stinks even more, has an even more cyberpunkish look to it, plus some magic and similar things.

Minority Report is another must. Though it's a little more in the future, tons of things can be perfectly recognizable.

Finally, Artificial Intelligence is great for a shadorwun world.

There go my 0.2 euros. I'd bet there's more if I think a while more, but those are the ones I remember right now.

Posted by: Crimsondude 2.0 Sep 11 2003, 01:15 AM

Posted by: AK404 Sep 11 2003, 01:33 AM

City of Lost Souls. What happens when a shadowrun in Brazil against the Triads and the Yakuza goes horribly wrong. Well, maybe not horribly, maybe just a little bit wrong. With a ping-pong table.

And of course, there's always Brother. Beat Kitano, baby.

Posted by: Dr Komuso Sep 11 2003, 04:40 AM

Brother.... yes, you cannot beat Brother for a good tale on Yakuza style in Shadowrun.
Hell, almost any Beat Takeshi movie, despite being set in current times, has the SR feel.
On a related note, any opinions on actors who have the "Shadowrun look"? You know, the people you model characters on, or can at least see tricked out in cyber and/or foci?
My vote goes to Rutger Hauer. His tall, rangy but athletic way of moving combined with his general demeanor just scream wired samurai to me.

Posted by: Drain Brain Sep 11 2003, 10:50 AM

Jude Law would make an excelent Face character... and I reckon Heath Ledger might make a good runner. A younger Ewan MacGreggor would have been a cool Samuel Verner.

Also, the woman (Reya) from Solaris IS an Elf!

Posted by: phelious fogg Sep 11 2003, 11:01 AM

Solaris (the one with Clooney) was such a terrible movie. The orriginal movie (in Russian) is much better, but to really get a feel for it you should read the book (Stanislaw). Its interesting to note that the russian version of the book is worse than the english version because it was censored do to its ending (relating to god during communism was an apparent no-no).

Posted by: Solidcobra Sep 11 2003, 05:46 PM

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Posted by: Sepherim Sep 11 2003, 10:21 PM

Scamp, it was horrible, admit it!

Anyway, as for actors with a Shadowrun feel, I must add Harrison Ford, in Blade Runner he was PERFECT.

And Sean Connery can make a real great retired Prime Runner.

Posted by: Boondocker Sep 11 2003, 10:56 PM

Mystery Men rocked. Disparage it not!

Posted by: BitBasher Sep 12 2003, 02:18 AM

Mystery men kicked (and still kicks) ass, I own it on DVD

Posted by: TheScamp Sep 12 2003, 12:19 PM

Posted by: Birdy Sep 12 2003, 12:19 PM

Actors for Shadowrun:

James Wood as "MISTER Johnson"
Denise Richards as "MISTER Johnsons Bunny"

Michael Ironside as "Grizzly old corp hitman / security boss"

Wesley Snipes as "Slightly mad Physical Adept"

Leonardo Di Caprio as "The badly mutilated victim"

Lisa Ryder as "The weapons expert"




Usefull movies:

Oceans Eleven (Cloony version) for the tricks
"Soylent Green" for basic athmosphere
"Rollerball" (both versions) for the "Bread and Circus" idea

Novels:

"The Killer game" is the base for Urban Brawl. Just add a sniper...



Birdy

Posted by: Crimson Jack Sep 13 2003, 12:37 AM

Yeah, I'm throwin' in my vote for Mystery Men too. That movie is way too cool to get bashed without any reason, especially since it's being referenced in regards to the best RPG in the world.. Shadowrun.

I'll forkgive you, if you forkget. mhah, mhah, mhah

Posted by: Archbishop Sep 13 2003, 10:13 AM

Robocop was also obviously equipped with an Invoked Memory Stimulator.

Posted by: hobgoblin Sep 13 2003, 11:22 AM

solidcobra: sure it could be one of those lone star guns but the barrelclimb (or lack of it) can be explained with recoil comps, hell he have cyberarms so whats stopping him from haveing some sort of buildtin gyro stabelizer? (execpt for the fact that in sr that will require visible counterweights that is, maybe he have a experemental one )

archbishop: damn right he have a invoked memory stimulator, he is a cyberzombie isnt he?

Posted by: Vanguard Oct 31 2003, 08:17 AM

How could everyone leave out both "The Running Man" and "Total Recall?"

Not only do they feature our favorite governor (as prophesized by SR) but they both have quite a SR feel (Except for the Mars part, but that's ok...easily adapted to an orbital habitat or undersea arcology)

Robocop was not outfitted with an IMS, as those memories he was having were unexpected glitches in the system. They had intended to erase his memory completely. Also, if you remember the attempted rape from the first movie, you know that he most likely has SmartLink II

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Posted by: Vanguard Oct 31 2003, 09:05 AM

Neuromancer pretty much singlehandedly defined the cyberpunk genre.

It's an excellent book, and the other two in the trilogy (Mona Lisa Overdrive and Count Zero) are good as well, but not quite as good as Neuromancer.

Virtual Light is also pretty good, and I've always wanted to stat up a "Chunker" from that book into SR (Most likely it's a machine pistol that is limited to Gel rounds only and has some weird mechanic for the ricochet attack).

As for Johnny Mneumonic, not only did he write the short story, he actually wrote the screenplay for the movie...which is why we'll never see another William Gibson movie ever again.

Posted by: Artemis Oct 31 2003, 09:19 AM

The Crow:

More like a man who dies

--> Becomes Ghost // Becomes a free spirit

--> Gains the Hidden Life Power and stores his life force in a Crow

--> Materializes himself and wreaks havok on an unsuspecting community of badies. Gotta love it!

-> Does he gain power/energy/karma for all the badies he geeks? Hmm...

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Posted by: CoalHeart Oct 31 2003, 02:18 PM

The Crew from Aliens: Ressurection.
They were so Shadowrun it's creepy.
(PS I can't remember character names)
The wheelchair dude : Rigger/Mechanic
The Female pilot : Rigger
Black Dude with Dreads : Pistol Adept
Big Apish guy : Weapons Expert
Ripley : Athletics / Martial arts Adept (Bug spirit infused?)
The synthetic chick : Decker with internal cyberdeck, also Tech wiz
and I'm probably forgetting others but whatever you get my point

Posted by: Siege Oct 31 2003, 02:20 PM

Walter Jon Williams with:
Voice of the Whirlwind
Hardwired

George Alec Effinger (p-fix chips)
When Gravity Fails

-Siege

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Posted by: CoalHeart Oct 31 2003, 02:32 PM

Thank you! I couldn't remember his name for the life of me!

Posted by: Kagetenshi Oct 31 2003, 02:57 PM

Posted by: darloth Oct 31 2003, 03:05 PM

If we're doing cyberpunk book references, then i feel i should point out Lucifer's Dragon.

Havn't got it around, unfortunaetly, so i can't tell you who wrote it, but it also fits very well, with chromed street amurai with (in one case) bright shiney blue skin, a SK as the defense network (Rapidly becoming AI, from the sound of it) and generally lots of other things. Also happens to have vampires, although i think in that book they're technological.

But anyway, the entire thing could happen just pre-awakening, or set somewhere metahumans aren't around much.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Oct 31 2003, 03:19 PM

The Iron Dragon's Daughter, by Michael Swanwick. I command you all to read it.
Not quite cyberpunk, but a mix of technology and magic with racial issues (fragging dandelion eaters...). Oh, and dragons. Really effing cool ones.

~J

Posted by: Buzzed Oct 31 2003, 03:37 PM

Posted by: The Frumious Bandersnatch Oct 31 2003, 03:51 PM

I always thought "The Fifth Element" caught a lot of the style of Shadowrun that other movies miss; namely the magical (a blend of hermetic and shamanic concepts really) and metahuman (alien) vibe. Korbin Dallas' apartment was atypical of the Sprawl in my mind, it featured an all-powerful megacorporation, coffin hotel-style plane cabins, and lots of cool stuff. It even had the Rocker archetype and showed how they could be an interesting and fun addition to a runner group to boot.

The only thing really wrong about it is that it is set up as a space movie (I could see Shadowrun catching up to it in about a hundred years or so, or at least getting pretty close), a lack of dragons and other non-human power players, and that the metahumans were actually aliens. Otherwise, I thought it captured the feel and style of Shadowrun quite nicely. At least regarding the way I like to protray the world. I hate that whole "grey and miserable" mood that infests cyberpunk.

Posted by: Quixotes Ghost Oct 31 2003, 04:28 PM

Ron Perlman and that guy in the wheelchair from Aliens just played in another movie together. A French Sci-Fi flick called "City of Lost Children". Definatley has a SR/Cyberpunk feel to it.

Check out the Flea Circus Owner in it for the absolute coolest way to kill someone ever. I got down on my hands and knees and begged my GM for a pet flea after I saw it.

Posted by: Kurukami Oct 31 2003, 05:44 PM

Books:

"Svaha", by Charles deLint. It's quite far from his usual urban fantasy stuff, and since he wrote it as a speculative fiction piece in 1989 some of his predictions are wildly off. Nonetheless, good for capturing the Shadowrun feel.

"Nightside City", by Lawrence Watt-Evans. The setting and grittiness of the story definitely mirrored the dark urban setting in SR.

An interesting alternative take on the whole "evil corporations-dark future" thing can be found in Matthew Woodring Stover's duology "Heroes Die" and "Blade of Tyshalle". Not to mention that it actually does have a good measure of magic and metaraces, though with an unusual twist.

Posted by: Liquid_Obsidian Oct 31 2003, 05:47 PM

mens , the whole Gibson's book : fragment of a hologram rose , virtual light (why it's bad to steal sunglasses), idoru , Neuromancer (Street Sam side) , Mona Lisa Overdrive , count Zero (Decker side)

Dunno the authors:
On the shockwave
Hardwired

Posted by: Arz Oct 31 2003, 05:52 PM

Posted by: Crimsondude 2.0 Oct 31 2003, 05:55 PM

Minority Report would have been a great movie if they ended it with Cruise being halo'd. But no, Spielberg had to fuck up what until then had been a really good movie, and a good SR influence. The ending pissed me off so much I will never watch that piece of crap again.

Brother was okay. I don't know if it's really a useful reference for anything though.

Posted by: Req Oct 31 2003, 06:11 PM

Altered Carbon, by Richard K Morgan. He's a new brit cyberpunk author and this book totally got the feel of the whole universe. Too many recent books seem to be focusing on the cyber and ignoiring the punk that's the whole point of it - the drugs and violence and sex and general dehumanization, the antihero as main character, and the lack of any "good guy" anywhere. Morgan gets it pretty well, I blew through this book in an evening or two and was very impressed.

I'd second Neuromancer and Hardwired as well. And of course there's always Snow Crash, if you're feeling a bit lighthearted.

I'm not going to bother posting movies 'cause it's all been done.

Posted by: nezumi Oct 31 2003, 06:25 PM

Snow Crash really was great. I might get some flak for this, but I personally enjoyed it more than Neuromancer (it didn't take itself as seriously, for one).

To save people the work of listing every cyberpunk novel and some trips to the library, there's an excellent cyberpunk library online:
http://project.cyberpunk.ru/lib/
These are all in English and you can just download the HTML file. (This does include Johnny Mnemonic, Mona Lisa Overdrive and Neuromancer.)

Posted by: easytohate Oct 31 2003, 06:44 PM

Anyone ever read Dhalgren by Samuel Delaney? The entire mood of it seems very shadowrunnish to me.

I also have to toss a coin in for the Anita Blake vampire hunter series by Laurel K Hammilton. The books are an excellent popcorn read and are interesting and well researched. I could see the world of AB and the world of shadowrun going hand in hand.

As for movies, I can't name anything that hasn't already been covered by someone else.

Posted by: Siege Oct 31 2003, 06:59 PM

Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams.
Voice of the Whirlwind by WJ Williams
When Gravity Fails by George Alec Effinger

I posted this to another thread as well, so I apologize for the seeming double-post.

-Siege

Posted by: Rasta Rigger Oct 31 2003, 07:07 PM

Posted by: Req Oct 31 2003, 07:07 PM

Oh right, When Gravity Fails. Really interesting, since just about every other cyberpunk book I've ever read has been very America-or-Western-Europe-centric, and Gravity is set in an islamic cyberpunk world. The sequels A Fire in the Sun and The Exile Kiss also rule, though not as much. Apparently there's more short stories set in this world in Budayeen Nights which I haven't read.

Joan D Vinge's Cat series: Psion, Catspaw, and Dreamfall are set quite a bit further forward than the 2060s but have a great gritty street-level feel to them, and the main character (a telepath half-breed) faces a lot of what I imagine the Awakened have to go through when dealing with mundanes. Also highly recommended, though Catspaw is the best of the three. Psion was her first book, written at 16 or something, and it shows.

Also I forgot to mention John Shirley's magnificent Eclipse trilogy: Eclipse, Eclipse Corona, and Eclipse Penumbra. A wonderful near-future series with some very interesting looks at globalization. My current campaign is called Six Kinds of Darkness, in homage to Shirley.

Posted by: Siege Oct 31 2003, 07:13 PM

Gravity also deals with p-fix chips and skill chips (without skillwires). Although they're called "addies" or "moddies".

There was actually a CP2020 sourcebook written by Effinger based on the Gravity novel.

-Siege

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Posted by: NeO_ZeN Oct 31 2003, 08:03 PM

Logan's Run (William F. Nolan)...

'nuff said.

Posted by: The Frumious Bandersnatch Oct 31 2003, 08:13 PM

Posted by: NeO_ZeN Oct 31 2003, 08:15 PM

I am referring to the novel. I have never seen the movie but am told is vastly different.

Posted by: Req Oct 31 2003, 08:21 PM

Uh, yeah, that movie SUCKS.

"Kelp! Sea greens! Plankton! Protein from the sea!"

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Posted by: Voorhees Nov 1 2003, 01:15 AM

Robocop's gun was called the OCP Auto-9, because (I think) It was a 9mm automatic

The gun in of itself was a Beretta 93, which is burst fire capable, with a ported and extended barrel, for the impressive muzzle flash.

The gun was then copied down and appeared as the Ares Predator in the original shadowrun book. Also featured was the 2019 Detective Special/PK-D Blaser (Take your pick of name) from Blade Runner, starring as the Holdout Pistol, If I remember correctly.

Posted by: Foreigner Nov 1 2003, 01:39 AM

NeO ZeN:

If you're interested, Nolan wrote two sequels to "Logan's Run"--"Logan's World" and "Logan's Search". You should be able to find the books at any on-line bookstore, such as www.amazon.com or www.bn.com.

I'm not certain if the film version of "Logan's Run" was an attempt to eventually adapt the entire trilogy to the screen, but you're right about one thing--the novel was much better, although I personally feel that the technology showcased in the film was more in keeping with the era they were attempting to portray.

(I mean, the novel would have you believe that the "New You" shops could perform surgery almost at the genetic or molecular level [I think--I read "Logan's Run" a LONG time ago--while I was in junior high school, IIRC--and I don't remember it all that well], yet they wanted us to believe that the Sandmen essentially used revolvers--albeit highly advanced ones-- firing cartridges loaded with special projectiles. IIRC, they were conventional except that they, essentially, fired caseless (or at least, electrically-primed) ammunition. I find that a little hard to swallow.

--Foreigner

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Posted by: Req Nov 1 2003, 04:00 AM

Well, that, and even though Gibson is widely considered the father of modern Cyberpunk, he was building on a large body of earlier work from the assorted authors who called themselves the Mirrorshades Group. Work that came out before Neuromancer is now thought of as being cyberpunk, even though Gibson popularized the term (which was introduced in the writing of yet another pre-Gibson sci-fi author...)

I mean, even if Isaac Asimov was alive, he's not about to sue Fox 'cause there's a robot in Futurama...

Posted by: Munchkinslayer Nov 1 2003, 04:24 AM

The Asimov point is valid but Gibson was ripped off. Street samurai, monowhips, Intrusion countermeasures called ICE (shadowrun calls 'em IC but it's pronounced ice), heck even the new yen was stolen. SR calls it nuyen, but its the same. If Asimov wrote about a robot designed to bend things and said "bite my shiny metal ass," then your analogy would have been better.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 1 2003, 04:48 AM

Elves, Dwarves, Orks, Immortal Elves with vast conspiracies, dragons, magic... where have I seen these things before?
Still no case. For there to be a case FASA'd've had to have stolen plots, I think.

~J

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Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 1 2003, 07:35 PM

I know there was a reference somewhere to it being in Hong Kong. Not that that isn't contradicted several places, or that it isn't obviously false, but I'm sure it's there somewhere.

~J

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Posted by: Kanada Ten Nov 1 2003, 10:15 PM

But if you steal the design and change it *enough*, you can't get sued.

Besides, half of us would never have heard of cyberpunk if it were not for Shadowrun; he should actually thank it.

Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 1 2003, 10:19 PM

But if I steal your idea and put new rims on it, and then change the drive shaft a little, maybe tweak the brakes and add a little bell on top, it's no longer your idea, it's my idea.

~J

Posted by: Shadow Nov 1 2003, 10:25 PM

The only thing similar between Gibsons world and Shadowrun is that:

They both have a computer world. In Neuromancer it's called Cyberspace. In SR it's called the Matrix.

They both have evil corporation bent on dominating the world.

They both have a type of Cyberware.

That's kind of where the similarities end.

Neuromancer (and therefore cyberpunk) is set in the 2020's.

SR is set in the 2050's +.

Cyberpunk is based on the novels written by William Gibson

SR is based on the idea that the 4th world is ending and the 5th is about to begin.

Neuromancer is Science Fiction set in the conceivable future (in other words it could happen)

SR is Science Fantasy set in the remote future (in other words, it ain't ever going to happen).

Are there similarities of course. Every writer, artist, and musician builds his or her work on the foundation of all those who came before. Is SR a rip off of William Gibson? Not even close. (Unless Mona Lisa Overdrive had Orcs...)

Read the Gibson novels there great, but after reading them you will realize that Shadowrun is completely different.

Posted by: Siege Nov 1 2003, 10:27 PM

Not to mention that if you look long enough, you can find common threads and parallels in almost every literary genre.

-Siege

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Posted by: Kagetenshi Nov 2 2003, 08:53 AM

Yes, my internal editor is too hard at work.
Fairly obvious what he meant, though. At least I hope it's what he meant...

~J

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Posted by: Dim Sum Nov 3 2003, 04:53 AM

Sorry for the double-post. Was trying to edit the last one.

Posted by: Crimsondude 2.0 Nov 3 2003, 08:22 AM

It's Ron http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000579/. And IMDb be damned, in the 20 odd times I've watched that movie, I never heard him referred to as Dieter. Just Reinhardt.

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Posted by: nezumi Nov 3 2003, 02:36 PM

This is totally out of my butt, however...

Whether or not Gibson COULD sue SR is rather irrelevant. From what I've seen, Gibson, like Neil Stephenson and other classic cyberpunk authors, tend to be very supportive of individuals doing good work and not getting squashed by the overdog. This is WHY cyberpunk came up in the first place (and you can see it illustrated in essays some of the authors have written). If Gibson did have a case, I can't imagine him actually taking FASA to court because he's a nice guy who wants to support little companies in doing something cool. (Just an FYI, he wasn't really big on the SR idea itself because of the tolkien parts, but I'd see this as 'I don't support what you say, but I support your right to say it'.)

Posted by: hobgoblin Nov 3 2003, 08:03 PM

just like with free speech, its not there to protect what you like but to protect what you dont like...

Posted by: kevyn668 Nov 4 2003, 02:28 AM