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Posted by: Redjack Jan 29 2008, 03:46 PM
The board software we are running is a out of date and we would like to upgrade the software.
That said, there will be a number of changes coming. The top two that come to mind:
1) The Terms of Service are changing.
2) Our current theme will not import and some changes are coming in look/feel.
I am creating two threads for discussion of these topics. We will post more as required.
Posted by: Konsaki Jan 29 2008, 08:42 PM
Most important question, IMO, is will 'Welcome to the Shadows' be ported over fully?
Posted by: Fortune Jan 29 2008, 10:41 PM
As far as I know, all threads will be ported over in full.
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 30 2008, 01:27 AM
...will links look & work the same?
...What about background skin & text (colour, available fonts, size, etc...)
...Will you still be able to paste in alternate fonts like Cyrillic, Hebrew, "extended" (such as the French "é" German "ü") and symbols like ("€" and "Δ")?
...will Avatars be available or will this feature still be shut down. (never clear on the reason why this was done as so many other forums I'm on allow them).
...and please, will that pesky "(
" (eight followed by right paren) bug be fixed?
Posted by: Caine Hazen Jan 30 2008, 01:58 AM
I can say this much for sure... Avatars will be enabled, and we are stocking a full library of images for you to chose from. No you may not have your own avatar to upload.
The transfer of all threads should be complete, I'll leave you in suspense, but let you know there is a restructure coming of top level topics.
As explained in the other thread, the only change to links was in the {spolier} tag, it should be much clearer for you all to read.
I'll have to go back and test the others.
Posted by: SinN Jan 30 2008, 02:44 AM
I hope its not like the sequal that ruins an entire series.
Posted by: SoyKaf Adict Jan 30 2008, 03:32 AM
| QUOTE (SinN) |
| I hope its not like the sequal that ruins an entire series. |
What like Land Before Time II-XVI?
Posted by: Mr. Man Jan 30 2008, 03:57 AM
Don't you mean Dumpshock 4.0?
UBB -> Jive -> IPB -> phpBB
(Still holding out hope that someday the posts from the UBB and Jive years will return...)
Posted by: BookWyrm Jan 30 2008, 03:59 AM
I can't use my Tim The Enchanter image for my Avatar? 
Posted by: JongWK Jan 30 2008, 04:05 AM
Avatars? Wow, times are changing! 
Posted by: Cain Jan 30 2008, 04:39 AM
| QUOTE (Mr. Man @ Jan 29 2008, 08:57 PM) |
| Don't you mean Dumpshock 4.0? UBB -> Jive -> IPB -> phpBB (Still holding out hope that someday the posts from the UBB and Jive years will return...) |
IIRC, it would be 6.0 The two previous incarnations as the Deep Resonance Forums count.
| QUOTE |
| I can say this much for sure... Avatars will be enabled, and we are stocking a full library of images for you to chose from. No you may not have your own avatar to upload. |
Can we submit images to the library, for everyone's usage? I use the Harlequin cover as an avatar on RPG.net, and I think that'd be a very cool one for general use.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 30 2008, 06:22 AM
| QUOTE (Mr. Man) |
| Don't you mean Dumpshock 4.0? UBB -> Jive -> IPB -> phpBB |
Wait, what? You're not serious about the phpBB, are you? I'm pretty sure not, as I've heard opinions on it from Neuron Basher before (which I have since come to agree with), but… where did that come from?
~J
Posted by: Bull Jan 30 2008, 01:27 PM
| QUOTE (Cain) |
| Can we submit images to the library, for everyone's usage? I use the Harlequin cover as an avatar on RPG.net, and I think that'd be a very cool one for general use. |
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/bulldrek/Harl.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/bulldrek/HarleBack.jpg
We have several hundred images, including stuff from every SR book cover. There's a LOT of options available
Once it goes live and you see what is there, if there's something missing I'm sure we'll be more than glad to add it in.
Bull
Posted by: Bull Jan 30 2008, 01:30 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) | ||
Wait, what? You're not serious about the phpBB, are you? I'm pretty sure not, as I've heard opinions on it from Neuron Basher before (which I have since come to agree with), but… where did that come from? ~J |
Not sure where Mr. Man got that. We talked about creating some custom board software at one point, but then we realized that the only couple people who had the skills to do so also had zero free time.
We're upgrading to a new version of Invision, the same software we're running now. We're stress testing it a bit and tweaking the options now.
Bull
Posted by: Redjack Jan 30 2008, 02:23 PM
And running several tests of the upgrade itself, learning a little about what occurs in the upgrade. 
With the size of the posts table, it cannot be ran in automatic mode, it has to be upgraded in manual mode.
Posted by: apollo124 Jan 30 2008, 05:12 PM
So, can you give us a ballpark idea of when it's gonna happen? I'm kinda anxious to see it.
Posted by: Bull Jan 30 2008, 05:49 PM
| QUOTE (apollo124) |
| So, can you give us a ballpark idea of when it's gonna happen? I'm kinda anxious to see it. |
Ballpark figure?
Sometime in the 21st century.
Beyond that, once Redjack gets done breaking and then fixing things, and we reach a decision about which toys to turn on and which to leave off (Or figure out how to disable)
Personally, I'm trying to talk them into disabling the "Post New Topic" and "Reply To Topic" feature.
Bull
Posted by: apollo124 Jan 30 2008, 06:35 PM
Ya got a much bigger idea of what size a ballpark is than I do, Bull!
Looking forward to checking it out.
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 30 2008, 09:41 PM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) |
| I can say this much for sure... Avatars will be enabled, and we are stocking a full library of images for you to chose from. No you may not have your own avatar to upload |
...awwwww, but my KK one is so gosh darn cute...
(see upper LH corner)
http://kyotokid.deviantart.com/art/Kyoto-Kid-SRIII-63243569
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 30 2008, 09:54 PM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) |
| I can say this much for sure... Avatars will be enabled, and we are stocking a full library of images for you to chose from. |
That's unfortunate.
| QUOTE |
| No you may not have your own avatar to upload. |
And that's just odd—why enable them at all, in this case?
~J
Posted by: Mr. Man Jan 31 2008, 12:11 AM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| We're upgrading to a new version of Invision |
Sorry, I was thinking of http://www.mozillazine.org I read (via RSS) that without notice just stopped updating their front page for three months while working on a phpBB 3 upgrade.
It was a frustrating situation.
SOOOOO...is the plan here at Dumpshock still to
Just...you know...asking...
Posted by: Redjack Jan 31 2008, 12:34 AM
Subsites: We are looking into a timeline explorer, but the code for any remaining, missing subsites is questionable. The http://dumpshock.com was updated last week to only include sites that are up.
Avatars: You are welcome to use any of the several hundred avatars that will be supplied or not use one at all.
Timeline: Adam and I have been discussing this coming Sunday. That is my target date to perform the upgrade.
Posted by: Redjack Jan 31 2008, 01:19 AM
Here is a screen shot of the http://forums.dumpshock.com/Dumpshock.jpg with the forums collapsed.
Here is a screen shot in the http://forums.dumpshock.com/Dumpshock1.jpg.
Here is a screen shot in the http://forums.dumpshock.com/Dumpshock2.jpg.
Posted by: DireRadiant Jan 31 2008, 01:21 AM
My that's a bright green color.
Posted by: Mr. Man Jan 31 2008, 01:56 AM
| QUOTE (Redjack) |
| Subsites: We are looking into a timeline explorer, but the code for any remaining, missing subsites is questionable. |
What about the NSRCG?
(Good to see the progress that has been made so far. Hopefully the Timeline Explorer will make a comeback as it was really useful)
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 31 2008, 02:32 AM
...on the whole I prefer...Blue (just kidding )
Looks pretty good.
Will we see what an open post looks like soon?
Posted by: Adarael Jan 31 2008, 07:23 AM
| QUOTE (DireRadiant) |
| My that's a bright green color. |
More green = more cyberpunk.
Then again, I used raw telnet to play a lot of MUSHes back in the day.
Posted by: MYST1C Jan 31 2008, 03:29 PM
I don't like that new DS logo - IMHO it looks somewhat "retro", 80s-like - problem: it doesn't look cool retro!
And that green-and-black color scheme looks more like a Cyberpunk 3-forum...
Posted by: Fortune Jan 31 2008, 03:35 PM
| QUOTE (MYST1C) |
| I don't like that new DS logo - IMHO it looks somewhat "retro", 80s-like - problem: it doesn't look cool retro! And that green-and-black color scheme looks more like a Cyberpunk 3-forum... |
Funny, but I quite like both the new logo and the new color scheme.
Of course, a little purple would make it much better!
Posted by: eidolon Jan 31 2008, 03:44 PM
The green was picked to go along with the shift of the core book from blue to green.
Screw that other game.
Posted by: Ryu Jan 31 2008, 03:55 PM
Can we have a blue alternative skin? Or grey-metallic? General appearance is fine, I´d just like another colour for the bars.
I´d also prefer the old logo, with adjustment in colour to the rest of course. I´ve got a problem with green/yellow colour perception, I can for example NOT tell if the new logo is yellow/blue or green/blue. I THINK it is green.
Posted by: Redjack Jan 31 2008, 04:54 PM
We will have one theme. The current theme is not compatible with the upgrade. If time presents itself in the future to test alternate themes, that might be an option. At this point in time it is not on anyone's current 'to do' list. There is considerable tweaking required on the themes to get them to work properly.
Posted by: Kanada Ten Jan 31 2008, 05:08 PM
| QUOTE (eidolon) |
| The green was picked to go along with the shift of the core book from blue to green. |
But aren't the new books a nice, soft Sea-Green; not radioactive SOX-Green?
Posted by: Kagetenshi Jan 31 2008, 05:15 PM
Either the physical books are a substantially different shade than the PDF, one of us has some kind of monitor miscalibration or colour perception impairment, or you have a deeply strange idea of what a nice, soft sea-green is
~J
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 31 2008, 05:29 PM
...so much for lobbying for Green Bay Packer Green & Gold
Posted by: Caine Hazen Jan 31 2008, 05:34 PM
| QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) |
| ...so much for lobbying for Green Bay Packer Green & Gold |
I tried it for us.... we didn't win that one though
As they say, always next year for us fans!
Posted by: Moon-Hawk Jan 31 2008, 06:16 PM
Mmm, that green is intense. I like the idea of giving it the feel of a SR4 book, but that's not quite the same color as my book.
All in all, it looks.....very similar, and that's probably a good thing.
I have to say, I prefer the current logo to the new logo, but I'm not going to claim that the current logo is perfect and should never be replaced, either.
As for avatars, yeah, I'll probably pick one. I guess.
I don't know, the whole thing is kind of 'meh', to me.
Posted by: Bull Jan 31 2008, 06:42 PM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) | ||
I tried it for us.... we didn't win that one though As they say, always next year for us fans! |
Hey, at least I stuck with some nice, classy Red on Black. I could have lobbied for Cleveland Browns colors, cause hey, Brown & Orange are obviously a great color scheme...
Course Ohio State Grey & Red wouldn't be bad, Those were my old High School football (and baseball, and wrestling) colors.
And to answer the one question, alternate color schemes are a possibility for down the line. However, right now we're more worried about making sure the boards are stable, working properly, and not the first step to machines gaining sentience and taking over the world.
Bull
Posted by: Caine Hazen Jan 31 2008, 06:48 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| And to answer the one question, alternate color schemes are a possibility for down the line. However, right now we're more worried about making sure the boards are stable, working properly, and not the first step to machines gaining sentience and taking over the world. |
Shit, I should remove that code I uploaded then, before its too late for all of us....
Posted by: Bull Jan 31 2008, 06:52 PM
| QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) |
| Mmm, that green is intense. I like the idea of giving it the feel of a SR4 book, but that's not quite the same color as my book. All in all, it looks.....very similar, and that's probably a good thing. I have to say, I prefer the current logo to the new logo, but I'm not going to claim that the current logo is perfect and should never be replaced, either. As for avatars, yeah, I'll probably pick one. I guess. I don't know, the whole thing is kind of 'meh', to me. |
Honestly, for the most part we're not trying to promote the new boards as some "great new thing".
It has been apparent for quite some time though that we needed to do a major upgrade. It's been planned several times, and at one point Mark had started working on creating a customized set of code for us. However, life has it's demands, and a message board just doesn't always rate real high on the list of priorities. So it got pushed back time and again.
At this point, the version of Invision that we're running is gimped. It's something like 5 years out of date, and I don;t even think it's really supported anymore (I'm not really positive on all the intricacies involved with the software license). Things keep breaking, and if we're lucky we can patch them to make it functional (My Controls, for example), but it's not the same as actually fixing them or stabalizing things.
So we went out and bought ourselves a fresh, shiny new license. We stuck with invision because we figured it would be easiest, since most of us know the controls and layout. We're tweaking it a bit to suit the whims and desires of the current moderator crew, as well as updating our mindset a little for 2008 (To give an example, Avatars were vetoed last time around because dial up was still such a common connection method, so loading speeds for our users were a concern. Now, it's not as big an issue)
Really, this is just an upgrade and a minor overhaul. A chance for us to do some cleaning up, toss out some of the accumulated clutter and rearrange the furniture a bit. Maybe paint the walls or something. But at he end of the day, it's still the same house we've been living in for close to a decade now.
Bull
Posted by: Bull Jan 31 2008, 06:56 PM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) | ||
Shit, I should remove that code I uploaded then, before its too late for all of us.... |
God dammit, Caine! Remember what I told you! Man drives Machine, not Machine drives Man! Keep this up, and the only Battlemech's you'll see are the ones hunting down metahumanity!
Bull
P.S. Damn, I just had an interesting image of a merged SR/Battletech/Terminator world, and now I want to play that game. Shadowrunners as freedom fighters fighting Skynet and it's legions of Battlemechs.
You're running this for me at Origins, Andy. There will be blood. And Booze. And if we're lucky, boobs! The three B's... Ahhhhh, a perfect night....
Heh. It's past my bedtime. I think I need sleep.
Posted by: Redjack Jan 31 2008, 06:57 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| one of us has some kind of monitor miscalibration or colour perception impairment, or you have a deeply strange idea of what a nice, soft sea-green is ; |
Nah, thats the effects of the toxic-data sprite in charge of themes. He only has 37 services left then I promise he won't be re-registered again..
Posted by: Moon-Hawk Jan 31 2008, 06:57 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) | ||
Honestly, for the most part we're not trying to promote the new boards as some "great new thing". .................. Really, this is just an upgrade and a minor overhaul. A chance for us to do some cleaning up, toss out some of the accumulated clutter and rearrange the furniture a bit. Maybe paint the walls or something. But at he end of the day, it's still the same house we've been living in for close to a decade now. Bull |
Sounds good to me. That's all I'm expecting from it anyway. I'm glad not much is changing. Some alternate skins would be nice, though, that's all I'm saying.
Posted by: Redjack Jan 31 2008, 07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen @ Jan 31 2008, 01:48 PM) |
| Shit, I should remove that code I uploaded then, before its too late for all of us.... |
BTW: The toxic-data sprite already located that. He's working an 'fixing' your PC as I type...
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Jan 31 2008, 07:19 PM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| Course Ohio State Grey & Red wouldn't be bad... |
...in the collegate ranks I'm more partial to the glorious Red & White: On Wisconsin
Though I agree, making sure everything works correctly is a priority, the pretty pretty stuff can come later.
Posted by: eidolon Jan 31 2008, 08:23 PM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) | ||
Shit, I should remove that code I uploaded then, before its too late for all of us.... |
Sissies.
Posted by: apollo124 Jan 31 2008, 11:13 PM
| QUOTE (Bull @ Jan 31 2008, 01:56 PM) | ||||
God dammit, Caine! Remember what I told you! Man drives Machine, not Machine drives Man! Keep this up, and the only Battlemech's you'll see are the ones hunting down metahumanity! Bull P.S. Damn, I just had an interesting image of a merged SR/Battletech/Terminator world, and now I want to play that game. Shadowrunners as freedom fighters fighting Skynet and it's legions of Battlemechs. You're running this for me at Origins, Andy. There will be blood. And Booze. And if we're lucky, boobs! The three B's... Ahhhhh, a perfect night.... Heh. It's past my bedtime. I think I need sleep. |
Ummm...it's past your bedtime at 2:42 pm?
Posted by: Caine Hazen Feb 1 2008, 12:00 AM
| QUOTE (apollo124) |
| Ummm...it's past your bedtime at 2:42 pm? |
This is a man who has obviously never worked third shift in his time. Its all sorts of fun (no) and excitement (don't hit me with a 707 you asshat pilot)
On the plus side, once I get done on the current work Bull, I'll write up a one shot for the crew at Origins... what the hell. It could be fun!
You get to play Sarah Conner though
Posted by: Fortune Feb 1 2008, 12:54 AM
| QUOTE (Bull) |
| Really, this is just an upgrade and a minor overhaul. A chance for us to do some cleaning up, toss out some of the accumulated clutter and rearrange the furniture a bit. Maybe paint the walls or something. But at he end of the day, it's still the same house we've been living in for close to a decade now. |
Are you still going to reorganize the Forums (namely the unnecessary confusion of Shadorun and Shadowrun, Fourth Edition), as was indicated in several other threads about the upgrade?
Posted by: fistandantilus3.0 Feb 1 2008, 12:55 AM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) | ||
This is a man who has obviously never worked third shift in his time. |
Seriously. That's the time I got up.
Posted by: Grinder Feb 1 2008, 01:14 AM
If I only knew if you speak of 0242 or 1442...
Posted by: Kyoto Kid Feb 1 2008, 02:52 AM
| QUOTE (Caine Hazen) |
| (don't hit me with a 707 you asshat pilot) |
...now that is old school, I remember flying on those a lot. Damn classy aeroplane & built to military specs. The coolest I flew on though was a Vickers/BAe Super VC-10 (the original BOAC). That plane was almost a work of art.
...ahh the "Golden Age" of jet travel. A whole different experience compared to today's "cattle class" quality of service.
...but I digress once again.
[/Derail]
Posted by: Bull Feb 1 2008, 03:12 AM
| QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) | ||||
Seriously. That's the time I got up. |
I work 11 PM till 7:30 AM, give or take (We have a 15 minute pre- and post- flex time).
Generally, I sleep from 1ish till 9ish, though it quite often ends up being 2-3ish to 9:30ish.
Bull
Posted by: fistandantilus3.0 Feb 1 2008, 01:10 PM
2100-0500. That better Grinder?
I know a lot of folks around here are up at all ends of the clock. Some of us are night owls or work the night shift, some of us are on different sides of the globe. Some of us can't even figure out the whole am/pm thing and need times put in the 24-format *coughgrindercough*. That's why I always find it interesting to see who happens to be on when I pop in.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 1 2008, 01:30 PM
So Fisty, were you going to answer my question about the structure of the new Dumpshock in regards to the multiple Shadowrun forums?
Posted by: Redjack Feb 1 2008, 03:00 PM
I have been asked to merge the forums into one. That is a LOT of data to merge. If time allows I will do it with the rest of the upgrade. If not, there will be a 2.1 upgrade in ~30 days to accomplish that..
Posted by: Grinder Feb 1 2008, 03:02 PM
| QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) |
| 2100-0500. That better Grinder? I know a lot of folks around here are up at all ends of the clock. Some of us are night owls or work the night shift, some of us are on different sides of the globe. Some of us can't even figure out the whole am/pm thing and need times put in the 24-format *coughgrindercough*. That's why I always find it interesting to see who happens to be on when I pop in. |
Tsss... you don't want to tell me that AM PM SM XM or however you try to label your daytime is easier then 0200? Americans.
As for working night shifts: yeah, I very often do so. Sleep is for the weak.
Posted by: Grinder Feb 1 2008, 03:05 PM
Oh, and will there be bigger mailboxes for PMs?
Posted by: Fortune Feb 1 2008, 03:29 PM
| QUOTE (Redjack) |
| I have been asked to merge the forums into one. That is a LOT of data to merge. If time allows I will do it with the rest of the upgrade. If not, there will be a 2.1 upgrade in ~30 days to accomplish that.. |
Much obliged.
Posted by: Kagetenshi Feb 1 2008, 05:29 PM
Is there any way to convince you that it's a bad idea?
~J
Posted by: Stahlseele Feb 1 2008, 07:49 PM
Germany might be occupied country, but our time is still 24 hours!
me, myself, i usually sleep untill about 11 in the morning, go to work at about 12:30 and come home at about 23:00 plus minus about 20 minutes and then stay up untill 03:00 in the Morning . .
Oh, and please keep the 4th/3rd(other) distinction *g*
Posted by: eidolon Feb 1 2008, 08:58 PM
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| Is there any way to convince you that it's a bad idea? ~J |
Not really. We're all in pretty much 100% agreement as far as I know.
Posted by: Tanka Feb 2 2008, 12:47 PM
| QUOTE (eidolon) | ||
Not really. We're all in pretty much 100% agreement as far as I know. |
Any possibility of tagging all the SR4 forum threads with [SR4] or somesuch to differentiate, and in the future ask us to tag our thread with an appropriate version, so as not to confuse others?
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 12:55 PM
I feel that SR4 should be the default, being that it is the currently supported, official product, and as such shouldn't need 'tagging'. The onus should be on those that are seeking discussion on editions other than the current one to make that clear in some way.
Posted by: Bull Feb 2 2008, 02:02 PM
Basically, we're combining the SR forums for several reasons. But the two biggest reasons are these:
1) Clean up the forums. One of our goals for this version of Dumshock is that we don't want to have the nested forum set up, like we do now. There's a number of sub forums that get frequently overlooked or simply not used because they're "hidden". And one such concession to this is combining the SR forums, because...
2) The SR3 forum currently gets much less traffic than the SR4 forum. There are fewer threads, much sparser discussion, and a lot of the discussion that does happen there can and does apply to SR4 as much as it does SR3 (or SR2, or SR1 even).
There's a handful of SR3 fans that seem to never read the SR4 forum, and appear to be an awful lot of our members that never venture into the SR3 forum. As such, both sides are losing out on potentially valuable input in their threads. At the end of the day, Shadowrun is Shadowrun, regardless of the edition.
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| I feel that SR4 should be the default, being that it is the currently supported, official product, and as such shouldn't need 'tagging'. The onus should be on those that are seeking discussion on editions other than the current one to make that clear in some way. |
None of the mods have really talked about this much, but I think in general our consensus is that we don't want to enforce tagging. Too much work for us, and for you guys.
However, it is fairly common for a lot of message boards to use tags, and we encourage you guys to.
In general, specifically tagging SR3 threads with a [SR3] in the header seems like the easiest way to go. SR4 is the default Shadowrun setting now, so anything outside of that should be marked appropriately. But I'd think it'd be best if the Edition tags were only used if the thread is very specifically edition oriented (i.e., rules).
<shrug> Like I said, we're not really worrying too much about this. As far as we're concerned, Shadowrun is Shadowrun is Shadowrun.
Bull
Posted by: Redjack Feb 2 2008, 09:19 PM
Ok, the new site is up. The only know issue is that the new "Terms of Service" are not yet posted.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 09:29 PM
Well ... I like it! 
Posted by: Redjack Feb 2 2008, 09:37 PM
You can select an avatar from "My Controls", "Edit Avatar Settings". There are a GAGGLE of 'em.
Posted by: the_dunner Feb 2 2008, 09:42 PM
And, if you don't like the Avatars, bitch at me. The selection and creation was largely my doing. I think there's a bit more than 700 of them, at last count.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 10:11 PM
As you command ...
I want my Ancients symbol!
Posted by: Elve Feb 2 2008, 10:15 PM
I want my Lord Torgo from the sr4 page...
[img]http://www.shadowrun4.com/resources/icons/sr_icon_8_torgo1.jpg[/img]
Posted by: Redjack Feb 2 2008, 10:29 PM
We seem to have a casualty. Old spoiler tags contents seem to have been lost in the conversion.
Also, the spoiler tags in this new skin work differently
Hint: Highlight the black bar to read the text..
Posted by: the_dunner Feb 2 2008, 10:37 PM
Gang emblems are a great idea -- I'll see about digging those up from the various location sourcebooks and getting them created.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 10:40 PM
That's not the only thing that seems to have been lost. It appears that the contents of my mailbox has disappeared. Not that I had much, but I don't have backups of a couple of the character sheets that were stored there. (I wonder if I'm alone on this)
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 10:45 PM
Much obliged.
As an aside, I keep hitting the wrong damn 'quote' button. I'm used to them being at the top of the post, and have quoted the wrong post three times now.
Posted by: Stahlseele Feb 2 2008, 10:51 PM
is it just me or is this new board version somehow a little slower than the old one? O.o
or do i just have to get it all into cache again?
Posted by: Redjack Feb 2 2008, 10:54 PM
Hmm... Mine came across and it should not have been any different than yours as far as the conversion process was concerned... Let me look into that..
Posted by: Mr. Man Feb 2 2008, 10:59 PM
All my private messages are fine as well, however the users that were on my "Friends" list are now on my "PM Block List" instead.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 11:00 PM
or do i just have to get it all into cache again?
Quote possibly the latter. I seemed to be running at a snails pace when I first logged on, but it has sped up considerably since then. Note though that I have notorious connection problems, so I'm probably not the best one to judge these types of things.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 11:01 PM
Strange! I appreciate the effort though. Thanks.
Posted by: Naysayer Feb 2 2008, 11:03 PM
What can I say...
when I saw the preview a couple of days ago, I found the "new" look a bit meh. The geen/black-them looked very generic, the green itself felt a bit aggressive and I was a bit worried that it might turn out less readable than the old version.
But I like how it actually turned out! The darker background/brighter font is actually much softer on the eyes (at least on my ancient CRT), the green isn't all that bad, the re-organized structure of the forums makes browsing easier and having avatars is nice for a change.
All in all, it's a nice, subtle improvement.
Pity about all the spoilered posts, though...
Posted by: Tanka Feb 2 2008, 11:10 PM
Well, one of the "issues" would be that anything in the pre-SR4 forums could be SR3, SR2 or something only marginally related to SR. From what I've seen, SR4 has been almost 100% about SR4, with little fluff otherwise.
So if we tag anything from the "old" SR forums as [SR3], what happens when it's SR2 or not a rules/history discussion, or is something that gaps between all the editions?
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 11:26 PM
Yes, I agree that there could be discussion from any edition, including SR4, and have stated exactly that on numerous occasions when people mistakenly refer to the Shadowrun forum as the SR3 forum. So just tagging the SR4 forum still leaves out some threads for those who seek solely SR4 discussion.
If people in the past have not been clear about what edition they are discussing in the Shadowrun forum, any confusion has usually been rectified by the first few posts.
Note that I suggested nothing of the sort! I put the onus on the poster to indicate in some way that the discussion is focused on an edition other than the current one. I never even mentioned SR3. I also never mentioned 'tagging' anything whatsoever. I think the responsibility should be squarely on the poster's shoulders to make it clear what he or she is talking about.
Personally, I just don't see the problem, and wouldn't waste time worrying about the older threads. Topics come and go, and then come again, and if someone wants to know something, or discuss something, they'll make a new thread. If another poster feels that an older thread holds some relevance, then that poster will link to the older thread.
I guess I am just failing to see it as the big issue that you seem to think it is.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 2 2008, 11:29 PM
Oh, and I love the Quick Edit feature! 
Oh, and thanks muchly for the 'Mark All Posts As Read' button on the New Posts search screen. I have been asking for that for years.
Posted by: mfb Feb 2 2008, 11:45 PM
not sure if anyone's mentioned it or not, but i can't seem to get spoilers that were ported over from the old boards to display. i noticed this in the Jason Bourne thread.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 3 2008, 12:00 AM
Also, the spoiler tags in this new skin work differently
Hint: Highlight the black bar to read the text..
Ooooo! Spoilers in a quote really suck!
Posted by: WinterRat1 Feb 3 2008, 12:19 AM
So will steps be taken to restore or enable them to be accessed in some way, shape, or form, or are they gone forever?
Posted by: Redjack Feb 3 2008, 01:22 AM
I will attempt to determine a root cause. If I can identify and determine an automated fix I will restore them.. As a prolific user of them, I am quite perturbed by this unfortunate side effect.
Posted by: Konsaki Feb 3 2008, 01:23 AM
No offense, but didnt you guys notice this during the testing?
Posted by: Vegas Feb 3 2008, 01:38 AM
Totally small-potatoes in the grand scheme of things.. but is there any reason I'm basically a "ghost in the machine" and it constantly shows that I've never ever, not even once posted on the boards before? As in there's a big gaping hole on the side in my info of posts? Y'know over <-----------------there a ways?
It's definitely going to take a lot of getting used to the new bells and whistles and ironing out the kinks, but over all it's not too bad. Thanks for all the hard work Redjack!
Posted by: Fortune Feb 3 2008, 01:40 AM
Well, we always knew you were kinda quiet ... 
Posted by: Vegas Feb 3 2008, 01:45 AM
Hey now, be nice to your elders there sonny!
Posted by: Tanka Feb 3 2008, 01:48 AM
If people in the past have not been clear about what edition they are discussing in the Shadowrun forum, any confusion has usually been rectified by the first few posts.
Note that I suggested nothing of the sort! I put the onus on the poster to indicate in some way that the discussion is focused on an edition other than the current one. I never even mentioned SR3. I also never mentioned 'tagging' anything whatsoever. I think the responsibility should be squarely on the poster's shoulders to make it clear what he or she is talking about.
Personally, I just don't see the problem, and wouldn't waste time worrying about the older threads. Topics come and go, and then come again, and if someone wants to know something, or discuss something, they'll make a new thread. If another poster feels that an older thread holds some relevance, then that poster will link to the older thread.
I guess I am just failing to see it as the big issue that you seem to think it is.
Oh, it's not a huge issue, just that we're gonna be seeing lots of people discussing rules for SR3 and SR4 at the same time in the same thread, often tripping each other up with the difference in rules.
Hopefully we start to tag things ourselves, or at least mention it at the beginning of a thread, just to avoid such situations. But if wishes were horses...
Posted by: BishopMcQ Feb 3 2008, 01:51 AM
Thanks for the new skins, everything looks great! I however noticed that embedded URLs don't show up any differently than normal text...any suggestions on how to change that?
Posted by: Fortune Feb 3 2008, 01:55 AM
That's happened often enough in the past, and has been easily dealt with. In some cases it has even spawned a spin-off thread with its focus on another edition.
Well, that's basically what I am proposing. Seriously though, if people can't be clear about the fact that they are discussing a different edition than the default, currently supported one, then they deserve a little confusion in their lives.
Posted by: Fortune Feb 3 2008, 01:59 AM
Um ... click the link?
So, anyone else lose their mailbox contents?
Posted by: Redjack Feb 3 2008, 02:07 AM
We tested and fixed so many things during testing... And to be honest, we're all volunteers. That meaning that the long hours we put in are after the long hours at our day/night jobs. Several things slipped through. This is one. The urls being the same color as text another. So no, I don't seem to remember this one or that one. I do remember the first two upgrades on the database that failed, the downloading a 1gig database over an aircard for testing, upgrading through 1 major release, 4 minor releases and countless patch releases, {.. snip 4.2gb of slobbered ranting.. }
No offense taken.
Posted by: the_dunner Feb 3 2008, 02:13 AM
Gang Avatars from New Seattle have been uploaded. I glanced through several other books, but didn't see any others. Anybody else remember seeing some anywhere?
Posted by: Fortune Feb 3 2008, 02:24 AM
Danke. Now, of course, I am not sure I want to change. He has really grown on me.
Posted by: Bull Feb 3 2008, 10:03 AM
No offense taken.
Yeah, unfortunately I work 3rd shift, and usually sleep around 1300 hours (Military time for Grinder!
). I stayed up till about 1700 hours or so playing tag with the boards as Redjack uploaded new versions to see if anything was broken on final test run. I think I was getting a bit loopy by that point... *sigh* I'm getting old. Staying up for 24 hours used to be par for the course, and I didn;t start getting really ired till the 36 hour mark. Now I damn near fall over unconscious if I stay up more than 18 hours.
Bull
Posted by: Grinder Feb 3 2008, 10:10 AM
).Much appreciated.
Posted by: Stahlseele Feb 3 2008, 10:54 AM
aaww, still no way to switch from am/pm to 24hour clock ._.
Posted by: Redjack Feb 3 2008, 03:33 PM
48 posts with dates in the future have been migrated to their approximately correct post date.
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