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post Dec 4 2004, 02:56 AM
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Okay, so you purchase them individually, right? Are they listed as an individual purchase (thus a total of 2 Essence, base) because they're the only type of typically paired cyber out there to do so, or is this something that should be taken into consideration for other paired cyberware? I'm referring to things like spurs, cyberskates, cybereyes, etc. Things that you could put together.

I looked for more information regarding this. So if its there, I'm a big dummycakes.
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post Dec 4 2004, 03:07 AM
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Yes, they're purchased individually though you (logically) need to buy two of them to gain their benefits. I'm sure someone'll pop up in here and whine about the use of "s" in "Legs," though, so brace yourself for that.

Spurs, Hand Razors, Handblades, and other implants like that are also purchased singularly and, in the case of those three at least, you get an added bonus if you buy a pair of them (in that you get damage-and-a-half for the Power of your attacks). Others require you to use common sense. If in doubt, compare it to similar implants and determine if they're talking about a singular item as a whole, or one you buy individually but in pairs.
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post Dec 4 2004, 03:10 AM
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Cybereyes and cyberskates are already grouped together; although you can purchase single cybereyes if you want to.

Spurs are another matter. A cyberspur is either three blades permanently mounted on the back of your hand, or the more favored blade-that-slides out of arm approach. If you want to cyberspurs (say, one on each arm; or the Hatchetman option; or the always-amusing Darwin Awards), you have to buy the augmentation seperately for each implanted retractable blade or set of three non-retractables.
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post Dec 4 2004, 03:27 AM
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Yea the legs are per leg.

And hand razors are purchased in groups of 4, 5, 8, or 10 depending on how you decide to read the rule. So far nobody has claimed they are bought per finger.
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post Dec 4 2004, 04:03 AM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Dec 4 2004, 01:10 PM)
Spurs are another matter. A cyberspur is either three blades permanently mounted on the back of your hand, or the more favored blade-that-slides out of arm approach. If you want to cyberspurs (say, one on each arm; or the Hatchetman option; or the always-amusing Darwin Awards), you have to buy the augmentation seperately for each implanted retractable blade or set of three non-retractables.

As ar as I know, all Spurs, both the single arm spur and the tri-bladed hand variety, have the option of being retractable, at an increased cost in both money and Essence.
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post Dec 4 2004, 04:06 AM
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Yeah, you have normal spurs (non-retractable, and your only option if you want the three pronger version) and retractable spurs (available only with the single blade version). You don't buy an "accessory" for the retractable version; they just have their own costs.
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post Dec 4 2004, 06:41 AM
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BTW man & machine specifies that kid stealth legs are (ea.) in the table, which means each.
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post Dec 4 2004, 11:41 AM
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Yes, but it always strikes me as funny when I try to picture somebody only implanting 1 KS cyberleg.
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post Dec 4 2004, 04:58 PM
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Maybe they can't afford two. Or they lost a leg, and being the tards they are, they decided to get ONE KS leg.
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post Dec 4 2004, 09:00 PM
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I guess that the provision is there so that some sort of maybe SURGED genetic half chicken half man can get only one cyberleg.... ;)

But I would guess they put them in as individual in case say one of your KS legs gets destroyed (seeing as though people with KS legs are usually cybered up combat monsters) you can pay the cost of replacing it, rather than both.
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post Dec 4 2004, 09:22 PM
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(seeing as though people with KS legs are usually cybered up combat monsters)

Really? It's my experience that the cybered-up combat monsters don't wanna go for cyberlimbs, even KS ones- too much Essance, too little benefit.
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post Dec 4 2004, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (Toptomcat)
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(seeing as though people with KS legs are usually cybered up combat monsters)

Really? It's my experience that the cybered-up combat monsters don't wanna go for cyberlimbs, even KS ones- too much Essance, too little benefit.

You're both right.
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post Dec 5 2004, 06:48 PM
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Not saying KS legs are the way to go, but I can't tink of any other occupation someone who might have one might do. ;)

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post Dec 5 2004, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (lodestar)
I guess that the provision is there so that some sort of maybe SURGED genetic half chicken half man can get only one cyberleg.... ;)

Or Satyrs, seeing as how they have the same +1 running multiplier thing.
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post Dec 6 2004, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune @ Dec 4 2004, 04:03 AM)
As ar as I know, all Spurs, both the single arm spur and the tri-bladed hand variety, have the option of being retractable, at an increased cost in both money and Essence.

I was under the same impression as well.

*Goes to get books to check.....*

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Spur: This narrow blade is attached to the users bone, similar to a razor. Retractable versions must be placed where they can be withdrawn along a long bone. Alternatively, a set of three smaller blades may be anchored to the back of the hand.........


Isn't a long single spur "anchored"?

I can see this getting into a discussion in somantics about wording.....
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post Dec 6 2004, 01:26 AM
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Trust me on this one. The tri-pronged spurs are only available if braced to the back of the hand. Only the single-bladed version is available as a retractable spur.
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post Dec 6 2004, 01:28 AM
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And they do the same damage, right? That makes no sense.
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post Dec 6 2004, 01:33 AM
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QUOTE (vorhees)
And they do the same damage, right? That makes no sense.

Three smaller blades versus one big blade? Maybe, maybe not.

Anywho, this is, generally speaking, known colloquially as the "No, you can't play a Wolverine clone." ruling.
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post Dec 6 2004, 01:34 AM
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Yes, but it's one big blade vs. three small blades.

In any case, note how the rules for the three-blade version comes after the mention of retractable versions, and it specifically states that it's anchored to the back of the hand. No mention of retractableness.

Not like it matters. No one ever really pays attention to it anyway. <gestures to the numerous people in this thread who didn't even know about it>
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post Dec 6 2004, 01:39 AM
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I always took it as personal taste anyway.

Neither hold a "Rule based" advantage over the other. (In my games anyway.)
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post Dec 6 2004, 02:19 AM
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Well, aside from the slight noticability issue.
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post Dec 6 2004, 02:24 AM
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I'm pretty sure he was talking one-prong vs. three-prongs as opposed to standard vs. retractable.
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post Dec 6 2004, 02:39 AM
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I thought we just went over that!
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post Dec 6 2004, 04:35 AM
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You thought Dr. Funk would leave something minor alone?
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post Dec 6 2004, 05:14 AM
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Eh? Excuse the hell out of me for helping clarify something. Sheesh.
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