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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
As long as you can yurl up your fingers/claws into your hand, you can grip stuff good enough.
Grip with the lower 2 or 3, pull trigger with the remaining one . . |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 ![]() |
Or simply use the magic fingers spell...
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
Lol. Well, at least by RAW.. only Easterns have enough dexterity to manipulate objects that finely.
Yeah, you could use magic fingers.. but I think we're strictly talking about the advantages/disadvantages of drakes here. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
I now have an intense desire to make a western drake who "wears" drone(s) in an Iron Man kind of way. Put a big gun on his back.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
Iron Drake?
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Iron Drago?
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: 11-May 09 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 17,167 ![]() |
From a GM standpoint even with dexterous hands I would require the weapon to be made specifically for the drake form and relatively unusable in another form. Recoil, aiming, etc all have to be factored into a weapon design for a creature.
As for the shiva arms that is a good question. Do they come with hands or not? |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Well . . IS it an Arm without a Hand?
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
My impression on reading the quality was yes.. they come with hands...
...The same hands the creature in question already possesses.. so a Troll won't grow elven hands. I didn't see anything about creatures with no arms already available. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 ![]() |
Eletronic firing + trigger removal + trode net for the win
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 ![]() |
Seriously?
Seriously? You are under arrest for the unauthorized use of a bad pun. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Eletronic firing + trigger removal + trode net for the win You missed this didn't you? QUOTE (RC p75) While in dracoform, a drake character cannot speak (though
other vocalizations are possible, from a growl to a hiss) and lacks the manual dexterity to operate most metahuman equipment. A character in dracoform also cannot use ‘trode nets designed for metahumans (including nanopaste trodes). |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
I suppose you could get a trode net designed for dracoforms.
Doesn't one of the Great Dragons have a great interest in the Matrix.. Cele...something? Forgot his name. So I'm sure you can find one.. probably gonna cost a pretty penny though, and probably won't be easy to find. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
I suppose you could get a trode net designed for dracoforms. Doesn't one of the Great Dragons have a great interest in the Matrix.. Cele...something? Forgot his name. So I'm sure you can find one.. probably gonna cost a pretty penny though, and probably won't be easy to find. Celedyr. Eliohann however had a datajack. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: 11-May 09 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 17,167 ![]() |
My impression on reading the quality was yes.. they come with hands... ...The same hands the creature in question already possesses.. so a Troll won't grow elven hands. I didn't see anything about creatures with no arms already available. This was an interesting issue where I wanted a naga with shiva arms. The point was to get something that could wield swords. Just the same form as you could see in the OWoD weresnake battleform. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
Celedyr, that's right.
He's a Great Dragon I'd definitely want to know more about.. more specifically, what he's planning for the Matrix. Just waiting for him to spawn some crazy ass Technomancer GD. I'm pretty sure that breaks a few rules, but I don't care. Naga with Shiva Arms? Yeah.. see, I don't know how that would work. My impression of the quality was that it adds ''extra'' arms... and how can you have ''extra'' of something you don't have to begin with? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: 11-May 09 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 17,167 ![]() |
Celedyr, that's right. He's a Great Dragon I'd definitely want to know more about.. more specifically, what he's planning for the Matrix. Just waiting for him to spawn some crazy ass Technomancer GD. I'm pretty sure that breaks a few rules, but I don't care. Naga with Shiva Arms? Yeah.. see, I don't know how that would work. My impression of the quality was that it adds ''extra'' arms... and how can you have ''extra'' of something you don't have to begin with? Well it is addition rather than multiplication. 2+2+2=6 for metahumans vs. 0+2+2 for 4 arms with double shiva arms |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Never seen some depictions of gorgons?
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 ![]() |
You missed this didn't you? Yeah, I did miss, but as others have said, you could have a trode net designed for dragons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif) (I know, lame excuse...) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
QUOTE (''Runner's Companion'') Certain rare changelings, and one metavariant genetic expression, grant a character an additional set of arms that extend from modified shoulder joints. The character may hold and carry double the number of objects in her hands than would normally be possible. Do Nagas have shoulder joints? If they do, I say go for it. Unless this quality is saying that it ''creates'' the modified shoulder joints? |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
There's no reason it couldn't, except for it's lame. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This is an important reason, and I wouldn't allow it.
As for the dragons I commented on earlier, Nyost Akasuke understood my opinion: you get extra front legs, but they're not 'arms' in the sense of the Eastern dragon (hands). |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Yeah, I did miss, but as others have said, you could have a trode net designed for dragons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif) (I know, lame excuse...) It requires bending the rules just a little. There are no trode nets statted for drakes (book doesn't even mention if such things exist, nor provides an idea of the cost/availability of such an item). Same with AR Gloves. No reason a western dragon couldn't use those in some sense. Afterall, its just gestures and there's no reason why the software couldn't be tuned to the "less dexterous" gestures a western's paws would be capable of. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-May 09 Member No.: 17,222 ![]() |
I can't imagine that, with all the influence and power (and money) many Great Dragons have.. they haven't coerced/paid some metahuman into making Dracoform trodes and AR gloves
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
I can't imagine that, with all the influence and power (and money) many Great Dragons have.. they haven't coerced/paid some metahuman into making Dracoform trodes and AR gloves True, but they'd be harder to find, no? I can't imagine there'd be a great demand for them. |
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