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post Jan 19 2011, 10:00 PM
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As long as you can yurl up your fingers/claws into your hand, you can grip stuff good enough.
Grip with the lower 2 or 3, pull trigger with the remaining one . .
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post Jan 19 2011, 10:04 PM
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Or simply use the magic fingers spell...
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post Jan 19 2011, 10:44 PM
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Lol. Well, at least by RAW.. only Easterns have enough dexterity to manipulate objects that finely.

Yeah, you could use magic fingers.. but I think we're strictly talking about the advantages/disadvantages of drakes here.
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post Jan 19 2011, 10:46 PM
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I now have an intense desire to make a western drake who "wears" drone(s) in an Iron Man kind of way. Put a big gun on his back.
Hehe.
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post Jan 19 2011, 10:52 PM
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Iron Drake?
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post Jan 19 2011, 10:56 PM
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Iron Drago?
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post Jan 19 2011, 11:44 PM
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From a GM standpoint even with dexterous hands I would require the weapon to be made specifically for the drake form and relatively unusable in another form. Recoil, aiming, etc all have to be factored into a weapon design for a creature.

As for the shiva arms that is a good question. Do they come with hands or not?
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post Jan 19 2011, 11:45 PM
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Well . . IS it an Arm without a Hand?
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post Jan 19 2011, 11:57 PM
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My impression on reading the quality was yes.. they come with hands...

...The same hands the creature in question already possesses.. so a Troll won't grow elven hands.
I didn't see anything about creatures with no arms already available.
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:28 AM
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Eletronic firing + trigger removal + trode net for the win
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 20 2011, 01:28 AM) *
Eletronic firing + trode net for the win

Also, strapping such weapons to the fore . . arm? O.o
It would keep the . . hand? free too!
Yes, it's a Hands . . ? -Free gun.
That could come in . . handy?
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:37 AM
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Seriously?
Seriously?

You are under arrest for the unauthorized use of a bad pun.
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 19 2011, 07:28 PM) *
Eletronic firing + trigger removal + trode net for the win


You missed this didn't you?

QUOTE (RC p75)
While in dracoform, a drake character cannot speak (though
other vocalizations are possible, from a growl to a hiss) and lacks
the manual dexterity to operate most metahuman equipment. A
character in dracoform also cannot use ‘trode nets designed for
metahumans (including nanopaste trodes)
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post Jan 20 2011, 01:16 AM
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I suppose you could get a trode net designed for dracoforms.
Doesn't one of the Great Dragons have a great interest in the Matrix.. Cele...something? Forgot his name.
So I'm sure you can find one.. probably gonna cost a pretty penny though, and probably won't be easy to find.
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post Jan 20 2011, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (Nyost Akasuke @ Jan 19 2011, 08:16 PM) *
I suppose you could get a trode net designed for dracoforms.
Doesn't one of the Great Dragons have a great interest in the Matrix.. Cele...something? Forgot his name.
So I'm sure you can find one.. probably gonna cost a pretty penny though, and probably won't be easy to find.


Celedyr.
Eliohann however had a datajack.
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post Jan 20 2011, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (Nyost Akasuke @ Jan 19 2011, 05:57 PM) *
My impression on reading the quality was yes.. they come with hands...

...The same hands the creature in question already possesses.. so a Troll won't grow elven hands.
I didn't see anything about creatures with no arms already available.



This was an interesting issue where I wanted a naga with shiva arms. The point was to get something that could wield swords. Just the same form as you could see in the OWoD weresnake battleform.
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:03 AM
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Celedyr, that's right.
He's a Great Dragon I'd definitely want to know more about.. more specifically, what he's planning for the Matrix.
Just waiting for him to spawn some crazy ass Technomancer GD. I'm pretty sure that breaks a few rules, but I don't care.

Naga with Shiva Arms? Yeah.. see, I don't know how that would work. My impression of the quality was that it adds ''extra'' arms... and how can you have ''extra'' of something you don't have to begin with?
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:10 AM
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QUOTE (Nyost Akasuke @ Jan 19 2011, 08:03 PM) *
Celedyr, that's right.
He's a Great Dragon I'd definitely want to know more about.. more specifically, what he's planning for the Matrix.
Just waiting for him to spawn some crazy ass Technomancer GD. I'm pretty sure that breaks a few rules, but I don't care.

Naga with Shiva Arms? Yeah.. see, I don't know how that would work. My impression of the quality was that it adds ''extra'' arms... and how can you have ''extra'' of something you don't have to begin with?


Well it is addition rather than multiplication. 2+2+2=6 for metahumans vs. 0+2+2 for 4 arms with double shiva arms
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:11 AM
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Never seen some depictions of gorgons?
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 19 2011, 09:43 PM) *
You missed this didn't you?


Yeah, I did miss, but as others have said, you could have a trode net designed for dragons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif) (I know, lame excuse...)
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE (''Runner's Companion'')
Certain rare changelings, and one metavariant genetic expression,
grant a character an additional set of arms that extend
from modified shoulder joints. The character may hold and carry
double the number of objects in her hands than would normally
be possible.


Do Nagas have shoulder joints? If they do, I say go for it. Unless this quality is saying that it ''creates'' the modified shoulder joints?
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post Jan 20 2011, 03:47 AM
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There's no reason it couldn't, except for it's lame. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This is an important reason, and I wouldn't allow it.

As for the dragons I commented on earlier, Nyost Akasuke understood my opinion: you get extra front legs, but they're not 'arms' in the sense of the Eastern dragon (hands).
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post Jan 20 2011, 04:56 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 19 2011, 09:23 PM) *
Yeah, I did miss, but as others have said, you could have a trode net designed for dragons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif) (I know, lame excuse...)


It requires bending the rules just a little. There are no trode nets statted for drakes (book doesn't even mention if such things exist, nor provides an idea of the cost/availability of such an item).

Same with AR Gloves. No reason a western dragon couldn't use those in some sense. Afterall, its just gestures and there's no reason why the software couldn't be tuned to the "less dexterous" gestures a western's paws would be capable of.
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post Jan 20 2011, 05:08 AM
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I can't imagine that, with all the influence and power (and money) many Great Dragons have.. they haven't coerced/paid some metahuman into making Dracoform trodes and AR gloves
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post Jan 20 2011, 05:11 AM
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QUOTE (Nyost Akasuke @ Jan 20 2011, 12:08 AM) *
I can't imagine that, with all the influence and power (and money) many Great Dragons have.. they haven't coerced/paid some metahuman into making Dracoform trodes and AR gloves


True, but they'd be harder to find, no? I can't imagine there'd be a great demand for them.
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