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 Jan 28 2011, 04:28 PM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387  |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Jan 27 2011, 08:29 PM)  Do we have any mana storage devices, then? Or mana generators. Wind-Solar-Water mana generators. Or kill people (/provide concerts) to make BC then aspect it for whatever you want. Emoti-Mana! QUOTE (hobgoblin Posted Today, 12:24 AM ) Sounds like a anchoring effect. And it would at best be a one shot... Or an Inhabitation Fire Spirit that's been Invoked to have all LoS become LoS(A) that's using Elemental Attack, in which case it'd be virtually infinite in shots. |
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Jan 28 2011, 04:37 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Mana-Storage-Devices are there.
Called Loci. Scattered all around the World. About 3 Dozend or so left i think. About as big as a house too. |
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Jan 28 2011, 04:40 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Adarael @ Jan 26 2011, 02:26 PM) As long as you have water, or some way to harness energy from heat, bam. Free energy. Hell, Create Water. You don't even have to worry about the created material being permanent (hell, 5 minutes is all you need: long enough for it to turn to steam and turn the turbine). You just need the creation to be sustained. QUOTE (Adarael @ Jan 26 2011, 04:15 PM) Well, in the case of spirits, there is a definite time limit and investment limit - 1000 nuyen per point of force you want to bind, first off, and it loses 1 service per sunrise/sunset, and you have to have a mage service the engine by re-binding the elemental. That's at least some level of maintenence and interaction required beyond "Cast and go", so it's not so game-breaking. That's why you do it at the north pole. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It's a real douche thing to do, but valid (it's even entirely debatable if that's spirit abuse too--after all, the spirit is ok working for 6 calendar months on a summon because That's How Magic WorksTM). |
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Jan 28 2011, 04:41 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jan 27 2011, 07:14 PM) it's not quite a purpetual energy machine because you'd need to cart in the water. Sure, but the natural processes of evaporation/rain take care of that. Or you could build a closed circuit system with a cistern on one side and evaporation tank on the other. Close enough to be no different, despite friction losses. |
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Jan 28 2011, 04:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
there are thousands/millions of ways to create energy. hell, I can just plug my transformer into a quickened Elemental Aura [Electric] spell. Or quicken Animate on a windmill.
what we need to discuss is, if the law of conversation of energy is to be extended to mana and wether we'll ever run out of mana. |
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Jan 28 2011, 05:02 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Makki @ Jan 28 2011, 11:58 AM) what we need to discuss is, if the law of conversation of energy is to be extended to mana and wether we'll ever run out of mana. 5000 years (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jan 28 2011, 05:24 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Jan 27 2011, 09:29 PM) Do we have any mana storage devices, then? There are indeed! They walk about on two legs. Unfortunately most of them tend to object vigorously if you use blood magic to convert their life force to magical power, but you can't have everything. -k |
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Jan 28 2011, 05:45 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Psh. Short-sighted fools.
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Jan 28 2011, 07:10 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 28 2011, 07:37 PM) Mana-Storage-Devices are there. Called Loci. Scattered all around the World. About 3 Dozend or so left i think. About as big as a house too. Wait. Are loci devices or locations? I always thought the latter was true. |
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Jan 28 2011, 07:40 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
They are THINGS.
Huge as fuck big tall x-bawks liek chunks or the deepest, darkest, blackest obsidian woven through with veins of orichalcum about as thick as a tigh . . A locus becomes a location simply because of it being such a huge power site. |
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Jan 28 2011, 08:18 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
What's the size of 'a location' (ignoring the freaking word 'locus')? Seems like anything big enough is a location by necessity, whether it's a device or not. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jan 28 2011, 08:21 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
about as big as a city block i'd guess.
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Jan 28 2011, 08:28 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Suppose we summon a dozen Force Shitload spirits and have them move said locus. Just dig a trench around it, and move it some 100 kms.
Would it still work? |
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Jan 28 2011, 08:29 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
yes, the locus itself is the power source.
where they are is the power site. well, as long as it's been activated. |
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Jan 28 2011, 08:37 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Are mana lines tied to loci locations? Maybe determined by which loci are activated?
Also, what precisely do loci allow to do (I've read all that talk about the corrupted Atzlan locus, and the metaplanar quests to stop Horrors, but I still crave details)? |
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Jan 28 2011, 08:40 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
They basically raise the mana niveau locally, and if they are all activated and linked together globally i think . .
several of those were used to keep an entire island afloat during Earth Dawn times, if i remember correctly . . . It would make sense, if the ley lines were tied to their locations, some probably are, but not all, as you don't need a locus for a location/power site. |
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Jan 28 2011, 08:52 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
So, basically, just positive Mana Count? Boring.
And far as I understand, power sites are just the places several mana lines cross, are they not? |
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Jan 28 2011, 10:00 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Jup, pretty much.
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Jan 29 2011, 02:58 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Jan 28 2011, 05:52 PM) So, basically, just positive Mana Count? Boring. And far as I understand, power sites are just the places several mana lines cross, are they not? Not so boring when you can see what they can do. Sure, a rain forest that grows back at speed of light is pretty boring, but imagine the potential, if they can make a forest grow back violently, they could, I don't know, kill every sapient creature for thousandos of miles too. |
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Jan 29 2011, 03:29 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
They still needed a Great Ritual for that.
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Jan 29 2011, 04:10 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jan 29 2011, 09:58 AM) Sure, a rain forest that grows back at speed of light is pretty boring, but imagine the potential We could cut it down over and over and over again! Free wood! |
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Jan 29 2011, 04:18 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 29 2011, 01:10 PM) We could cut it down over and over and over again! Free wood! Well, that's the economic potential. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I was talking about the magical potential. |
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Jan 29 2011, 04:22 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
Put it in an ork neighborhood and use the offspring produced for blood magic? I like that potential.
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Jan 29 2011, 06:54 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
put it into a country of your dislike.
tell the rest of the world that they basically own a magical weapon of mass destruction. hilarity ensues! |
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