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post Mar 6 2011, 10:29 PM
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back to the nasty little tricks, 1/2 kilo of C12 (per) in the railway tressel/overpass pipes with whatever is available for shrapnel makes a nice little (6in depth) claymore for covering your withdrawal, just leave the detonator with the sniper on overwatch.

i played a demo expert for a while and we had this run where we were covering a johnson for a meet. Meet was next to a railroad bridge that was constructed with pipes for crossmembers and i set up (with radio detonators) the above. When the meet went south and my team was bugging out they passed under the bridge and the goons were chaising we detonated the charges riddling the open top truck they were in with the equivilent of three claymore mines.
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post Mar 7 2011, 12:12 AM
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In some ways, I want to ask my military buddies about their experiences in "The Sandbox" about tricks they ran up against.

In other ways, I like sleep.

BTW: Silly String should be on the equipment sheet, it's now used by the Canadian Armed Forces as a precautionary measure.
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post Mar 7 2011, 05:41 AM
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Usually explosives are used for structural damage/demolitions or anti-vehicular usage. Anti-personnel usually isn't well served. Didn't Mythbusters show that the Operation Valkyrie plan failed due to being set-off in a room with easily broken windows and such allowed too much of the explosive force/energy to leak out that way, hence the damage to the people inside was not as powerful?

I would see demolition experts mostly used in sabotage runs, or runs that implicate/frame others.
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post Mar 7 2011, 06:22 AM
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To wit:
-Successful use of explosives is all about maximizing force into your desired target(s), while minimizing excess force.

-Anything that compresses easily doesn't make a very good medium for transmitting force. Air compresses pretty easily, don't use it if you don't have to. Water, metal, most solid things are pretty useful here.
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post Mar 7 2011, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE (Saint Hallow @ Mar 7 2011, 01:41 AM) *
Usually explosives are used for structural damage/demolitions or anti-vehicular usage. Anti-personnel usually isn't well served. Didn't Mythbusters show that the Operation Valkyrie plan failed due to being set-off in a room with easily broken windows and such allowed too much of the explosive force/energy to leak out that way, hence the damage to the people inside was not as powerful?

I would see demolition experts mostly used in sabotage runs, or runs that implicate/frame others.

Anti-Personnel is usually shrapnel charges, with the shards of metal/ball-bearings doing the actual Anti to the Personnel.

And I've seen a few simulations around Operation Valkarie, one of which used the actual bunker where it happened.

Had the case been on the other side of the table leg, no Hitler... And possibly a longer war, as he wouldn't have ordered as many tactical blunders. Or maybe a shot at surrendering without Berlin being stomped over... Who knows?

As I've said before, the right tools for the right job.
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post Mar 8 2011, 07:23 AM
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Well, first day of play and we've pieced together some fun toys.

Bomb Vest
DV 40
AP -20
-1/2 DV/m

Vest- 50
Skinlink- 50
Blasting Cap- 10
Electrical Det- 20

Threshold (Vest)
-1/2 DV/m (+2) (+5 Min)
-20 AP (+40) (+1 hr 40 min)

Threshold (Cooking)
120 for 20 kilos R10
12 Hours- 1 test per hour for 120
Cost 1500
(Assuming all my math is correct)

Obviously this is a last resort type of item. An alternative plan was to use the vest as a negotiation tool along the lines of "Let me and my buddies go or you and everyone you've ever known goes up in smoke!"
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post Mar 8 2011, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE (Socinus @ Mar 8 2011, 03:23 AM) *
Obviously this is a last resort type of item. An alternative plan was to use the vest as a negotiation tool along the lines of "Let me and my buddies go or you and everyone you've ever known goes up in smoke!"

Or to scare your target into moving in the direction you want them to, ala the movie "RED".

Don't forget the humorously over-sized clock.
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post Mar 9 2011, 02:57 AM
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QUOTE (Socinus @ Mar 8 2011, 07:23 AM) *
Well, first day of play and we've pieced together some fun toys.

Bomb Vest
DV 40
AP -20
-1/2 DV/m

20 kilos R10


Sounds like a heavy vest, at a little over 20 Kilos. Aside from that, hopefully the opposing forces don't get (un)lucky with a grenade throw and take out your entire team (and themselves) with a sympathetic explosion. It would also be DV 44.
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post Mar 9 2011, 04:31 AM
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QUOTE (Achsin @ Mar 8 2011, 10:57 PM) *
Sounds like a heavy vest, at a little over 20 Kilos. Aside from that, hopefully the opposing forces don't get (un)lucky with a grenade throw and take out your entire team (and themselves) with a sympathetic explosion. It would also be DV 44.

I forget how heavy my "Utility Vest" or "Bat-Vest" was when I was doing Field Computer Tech work, but it knocked over a coat tree on it's own that normally handled Canadian-Grade winter coats.
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post Mar 11 2011, 11:52 PM
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What is the carrying capacity of most drones?

I'm thinking of making some cheap suicide bombers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 12 2011, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE (Socinus @ Mar 11 2011, 07:52 PM) *
What is the carrying capacity of most drones?

I'm thinking of making some cheap suicide bombers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Never stated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

'Course, remember, a City Bus can be a "Drone" when you think about it.

Just don't make the same mistake my IRAiE guy did...
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post Mar 12 2011, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE (Socinus @ Mar 11 2011, 03:52 PM) *
What is the carrying capacity of most drones?

I'm thinking of making some cheap suicide bombers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bust a moves work well for this - cheap, and while small, still big enough for a kilo or 3 of plastique.
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post Mar 12 2011, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 11 2011, 05:54 PM) *
Bust a moves work well for this - cheap, and while small, still big enough for a kilo or 3 of plastique.

Cutest bomb you'll ever have the misfortune of meeting.
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post Mar 12 2011, 04:02 AM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 11 2011, 09:54 PM) *
Bust a moves work well for this - cheap, and while small, still big enough for a kilo or 3 of plastique.

Best use I've heard for them yet!
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post Mar 12 2011, 04:39 AM
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A Bust-A-Move filled with liquid explosive and an atomizer fitted into the mouth...
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post Mar 12 2011, 10:43 AM
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post Mar 12 2011, 03:43 PM
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"I'm a ten second bomb with a short fuse, go ahead and make fun of me you Motherslotter!"
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post Mar 12 2011, 05:15 PM
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post Mar 12 2011, 05:30 PM
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OK, I scared myself again.

The Baby Carriage Traps from Fallout 3. Spookiest things ever! A doll's head nestled between two fragmentation mines. The only warning you get is a baby's cry, then, BOOM!

Was really glad they didn't come back for Fallout: New Vegas.
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post Mar 12 2011, 06:20 PM
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detcord is handy for surprises as well, as it resembles rope or wire, and that's pretty inconspicous. You can also tie it around people to intimidate them, or to set up a 'daisy chain' of explosives around an area.

Oh, and I can't remember where I heard it, but it should also be possible form a giant humanoid shape out of C6 plastic explosive, ritually prepare it, and then have a mage bind a spirit into it - point at enemy fortification, get the hell out of there, profit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 12 2011, 06:27 PM
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Although it might not be useful in Shadowruns (Who knows, it might come in handy), Detcord can also be used to quickly cut down trees.

Angle it right, and you can even arrange how they fall. Useful for Mercs cutting down lines of fire, setting up barricades and fighting positions, clearing a zone for Panzers to pick-up/dust-off, and so on.

Then again, if you're in a city that has a lot of trees along the side of a road, you have a roadblock you can set off whenever you want.
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post Mar 12 2011, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 12 2011, 10:27 AM) *
Although it might not be useful in Shadowruns (Who knows, it might come in handy), Detcord can also be used to quickly cut down trees.

Angle it right, and you can even arrange how they fall. Useful for Mercs cutting down lines of fire, setting up barricades and fighting positions, clearing a zone for Panzers to pick-up/dust-off, and so on.

Then again, if you're in a city that has a lot of trees along the side of a road, you have a roadblock you can set off whenever you want.

Telephone poles are basically like trees... *evil grin*
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post Mar 13 2011, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Mar 12 2011, 11:49 PM) *
Telephone poles are basically like trees... *evil grin*

Light poles
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post Mar 13 2011, 12:23 AM
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Parking meters? No man can eat fifty eggs.
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post Mar 14 2011, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 12 2011, 06:23 PM) *
Parking meters? No man can eat fifty eggs.


Fifty Eggs? Color me Confused a bit...
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