Set up shop somewhere and geomantically aspect background count to yourself. cast aspected mana-static at highest safe level. overcast mana-static AGAIN on highest safe level. have a spirit sustain it for you. summon something that is MUCH bigger than your average dragons head. Problem Lofwyr? ^^<Trollface>

What? Spirits get damage in background count? Since when? Reference please.

If the spirits force is not higher than the BGC and the BGC is not of the same aspect as the spirit, a spirit simply vanishes in BGC.
So Force 3 Spirit in Force 3 not aspected to spirit = Force 0 Spirit = no more spirit.

Of course, but the question was about this part of the post "". Never heard of it.

quite probably because, as far as i know, that's not true.

Yeah, i was already questioning my sanity. So we are now at least 2 people that don´t know anything about that...but it would be nice.^^

My bad, I remembered incorrectly That only applies to mana voids. It talks about damaging "characters who expose themselves to astral space in a mana void". (It could be argued that that would also apply to spirits who aren't disrupted simply by being there.)

Never mind, you inspired me to another version of the mana-static-spell.^^

Huh? I could have sworn that spirits have both tracks, and that maxing out the stun track on them only disrupts them.

bah, seems i have been wrong all this time. Tho i find nowhere in the books that specifically state that they only have one track. The only way to tell is that any reference to such is in singular form...

I would not agree... I would use the higher of the 2 BCG's... Why would it stack? It should just overwrite.

They do have both tracks, and Maxing out either track disrputs them. Many people use the spirit as a Mook, however, which uses a single track. Makes it easier to track the mooks that way.

I agree with tymeaus. In SR equal benefits are barely ever stacking. Usually the higher one applies. The mana static spell description is one example for this.

It's Hard not to agree with him I find. His facts are usually spot on and he seems to have sound judgement.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Incidentally, almost everything stacks in SR; this is one of the rare exceptions.

No sarcasm. Calling it like I see it. Since i'm passing out kudos, you've always been solid also Yerameyahu. Just my opinion.

We can all sing 'coom-bayah' over skype later.

Hah, well thanks. I wonder why people have the idea that a spirit only has one track, though. Hmm. Oh well, the point is that it's easier (less drain) to kill them with Stun; in that sense, they do have one track.

I'm going to go with the tunnel vision answer also. Everyone thinks 'stick 'n shock or stun bolt when it's spirit killin' time. It's really too bad that banishing isn'tmoreeffective. Wouldbe perfect for this concept.

I thought Mana Static was a Permanent Spell, so the artifical Background Count fades over time. I never saw Aspected Mana Static, but I'd rule it out of a game, not just for being OP, but because I can't see how a simple spell would manage to tie in the emotional forlackofabetterword 'energy' that aspected domains have. Maybe, MAYBE if I was feeling nice and was suitably bribed, I would let a player sculpt a certain site towards their tradition similar to Geomancy and cast Mana Static in a ritual, but it would still only last for a matter of hours.

Depends on the timeframe. if the spirit is a shot time summoning then yes disrupting (filling the damage track) is easier. But if it is bound, then it will be right back once the disruption time have come and gone (or the summoner takes on some drain to bring it back). So SNS-ing a remote task spirit out for your hide may well see it come back again by the end of the month (i think its task still applies past a disruption).

hrmf, seems that SR4A claims services are lost. But street magic gives no such blanket claim. Instead it makes the statement that unbound spirits still count the passing of day/night cycles while disrupted, but bound spirits will return once the period of disruption has passed.

So in essence, banishing applies differently depending on it being a NPC spirit (less of a long term issue so just SNS and be on your way) or bound PC spirit (given the time and effort sunk, and that a NPC mage take no long term cost from attempting banishing).

Hmm, by the way, does it anywhere say wether or not BGC is applied only once towardss spirits in there?
Let us say a Force 6 spirit is in a Rating 4 BGC. It has it's Force lowered by 4 down to 2. But now it's a Force 2 Spirit in a Rating 4 BGC . .

That would be rather dubious. It's not a new spirit, so the BGC wouldn't be applied again.

While it's in the BGC, it's an F6 spirit functioning as if it were a F2 spirit.

Sounds like the same kind of logic someone applied to comlink response ratings when loading more then OS rating programs...

But if it had been a Force 4 Spirit, it would have gone poof immediately.

? O.o

You load 2 programs on your Response 2 Commlink. This is your processor limit, so your Response is reduced by 1. But, oh no, now your Response is 1 and you have two programs running! This is twice your processor limit, so your Response is reduced by 2. Your Response is now -1, etc, etc. It's fairly easy to say no, that doesn't happen, stop being silly, though.

Nah, if we would say that, we wouldn´t have this forum. This is all about nickpicking and asking if the rules are good or not...so don´t stop.^^