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Yerameyahu
post Apr 6 2011, 01:08 PM
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Magic.
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post Apr 6 2011, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Megu @ Apr 6 2011, 12:33 AM) *
Not under any illusions about that. I'm just saying, the fact that pixies hover either indicate hummingbirdlike flight, which would take an enormous amount of energy, or there's something else holding em up. Just looking at this from an observational standpoint and working backwards.


Hummingbird like flight is okay; so they need a lot of energy, so what. It is a creature that is Inches tall, their metabolism is probably horrendously cranked up compared to a Metahumans. Removing the Wings requirement for flight removes one of the very few limitations on the critter.

Note that any Creature that has flight (with the exception of Oriental Dragons) has wings. This should be treated as a requirement for their flight. Remove the Wings, remove the flight capability. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Apr 6 2011, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 6 2011, 09:10 AM) *
Note that any Creature that has flight (with the exception of Oriental Dragons) has wings. This should be treated as a requirement for their flight. Remove the Wings, remove the flight capability. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)


A better question would be....

Can a pixie fly in an area that prevents magic?
If so, then wings are a requirement of flight.
If not, then wings are not a requirement of flight.
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post Apr 6 2011, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Apr 6 2011, 10:17 AM) *
A better question would be....

Can a pixie fly in an area that prevents magic?
If so, then wings are a requirement of flight.
If not, then wings are not a requirement of flight.


I take it to mean a lack of ambient mana? Outside the Gaiasphere, or in a fovae (or whatever). Could this also be a way of preventing that silly Vanishing thing? Interesting concept, gives me ideas already...
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post Apr 6 2011, 04:10 PM
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What I would like to know is, where's my flyswatter?
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post Apr 6 2011, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 6 2011, 11:10 AM) *
What I would like to know is, where's my flyswatter?


Behind your trusty sidearm.... er I mean hockey stick.
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post Apr 7 2011, 03:26 AM
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OK, let's get something cleared up...
The average height of a pixie is 45 cm. NOT 4.5 cm. Right? Becauseat 45 cm, that pixie is a good ONE AND A HALF FEET TALL. That's the length of my forearm from elbow to pinkie-fingertip. I don't know about you, but I'm thinking the pixie would just laugh at you if you came at it with a flyswatter. Unless it's ten times the size of THIS.

They have intelligence (a score of 3), which means that, at least where I'm looking, they not only know when they're being attacked, they can strategise on retaliation.

AND, as the entry points out on p. 65 of Runner's Companion, they can be viscious little buggers.

So, go ahead. pick on them. Never mind the Metahuman-Rights groups that will hound your sorry hoop. Never mind the Hackers/Technomancers that will spoof your commlink into broadcasting to every law-enforcement ageny about your carefully concealed stash of [insert illegal contraband here] on every frequency 24/7 (if you're lucky & they're in bed with the flu).
Go ahead. Piss off a magically-active para-sentient.

I hope your GM has a sense of humor.
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post Apr 7 2011, 03:35 AM
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Ha! Well done, very in-character. I could almost believe that you're a nutball parasentient (not metahuman, btw) rights activist. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

StealthSigma, the book already says pixie flight is 100% magical, 0% wings.
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post Apr 7 2011, 03:46 AM
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I think you should see my posts about rolled up newspapers and Wolf Shapechangers and realize this thing called a "Joke". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Rabid Nutball Parasentient Rights Activist. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 7 2011, 05:25 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 6 2011, 10:46 PM) *
I think you should see my posts about rolled up newspapers and Wolf Shapechangers and realize this thing called a "Joke". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Post. Newspaper. Get it? Classic CanRay!
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post Apr 7 2011, 05:26 AM
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Thank you, I'm here all week! Try the veal!
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post Apr 7 2011, 06:15 AM
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...well if she booked a reservation on an airline, I don't see why a wingless pixie can't fly. Shoot, because of their size, Pixies should be able to get a pretty decent discount.



...and in local affairs.

Following a spate of de-winging incidents in London's North Orbital, an undisclosed number of the wee folk are rumored to have taken to the city's shadows in search of the perpetrator.


...tee hee...
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post Apr 7 2011, 06:31 AM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Apr 7 2011, 01:15 AM) *

...and in local affairs.

Following a spate of de-winging incidents in London's North Orbital, an undisclosed number of the wee folk are rumored to have taken to the city's shadows in search of the perpetrator.


...tee hee...

I was nowhere near that area and have a bunch of alibis from people I've paid to say where I was!
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post Apr 7 2011, 10:58 AM
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I hear that sooooo often....this makes you even more suspicious....i have an eye on you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Apr 7 2011, 01:22 PM
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I would allow them flight without wings since the ability is 100% magical - they DO have other drawbacks that measure up.

Also, I have no idea how Pixie tribal/social settings work but I can imagine that being either/both wingless and/or mundane would be a social stigma among other Pixies.

For some reason i would also be very careful about insulting someone who can be virtually invisible, a high level mage and be armed with deadly silent weapons.

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post Apr 7 2011, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Apr 6 2011, 08:17 AM) *
A better question would be....

Can a pixie fly in an area that prevents magic?
If so, then wings are a requirement of flight.
If not, then wings are not a requirement of flight.


I would say that YES, they could indeed fly in an area that prevents magic. Flight is a Movement Mode, not a magical Ability. A Pixie's Magical abilities are listed as:
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Powers: Concealment (Self Only), Enhanced Senses (Astral Perception), Sapience


Further, What happens if a Pixie's Magic Attribute is reduced to 0?
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If a sapient critter’s Magic attribute goes to 0, it loses the use of all its powers except Sapience, Natural Weapons, and Armor, if any.


Note: Flight is not a listed Power of the Pixie, but is a Movement mode. Ergo, it does not rely upon Magic to function. Flight functions in and out of an environment that reduces the Pixie to a Magical Attribute of 0. Therefore you need Wings to power said flight. That is why they are there afterall.

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I would allow them flight without wings since the ability is 100% magical - they DO have other drawbacks that measure up.


QUOTE (Yerameyahu)
StealthSigma, the book already says pixie flight is 100% magical, 0% wings.

This is not true, as the above quotes from the book indicates.
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post Apr 7 2011, 01:56 PM
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According to this argumentation the wings are indeed useful...at least something.^^
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post Apr 7 2011, 02:01 PM
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Facrissake. This isn't hard, Tymeaus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's like you people don't trust me when I repeatedly tell you that the book says pixie flight is 100% magic.
QUOTE (RC @ 65)
An inherently magical creature, a pixie’s ability to fly is based entirely on an innate manipulation of mana.
It's obviously a power; the writers just screwed up. That's never ever happened before, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Personally, I'd absolutely make them walk if their Magic was reduced to 0 (permanently); they're lucky to even be alive, at that point. I'd *probably* do the same in a BC, but that's just GM houseruling (AFAIK). Tymeaus, I never expected you to be a 'RAW doesn't say I can't!' supporter.
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Well, "Flight" isn't a "power" for any creature or spirit.

It's always listed as a movement mode.

I was looking to see how I could give Flight to an Ally spirit, but by strict RAW, I cannot.




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post Apr 7 2011, 02:15 PM
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QFT...
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post Apr 7 2011, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 7 2011, 08:01 AM) *
Facrissake. This isn't hard, Tymeaus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's like you people don't trust me when I repeatedly tell you that the book says pixie flight is 100% magic.It's obviously a power; the writers just screwed up. That's never ever happened before, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Personally, I'd absolutely make them walk if their Magic was reduced to 0 (permanently); they're lucky to even be alive, at that point. I'd *probably* do the same in a BC, but that's just GM houseruling (AFAIK). Tymeaus, I never expected you to be a 'RAW doesn't say I can't!' supporter.


I'm Not a proponent of "Raw doesn't say I can't"... Just pointing out that Movement modes are not limited to whether the Pixie has access to his magic or not. Since it is not RELIANT upon the magic to function (No more so than the Pixie actually beiung alive at that point) then the WINGS must have some function. Since EVERY creature that FLIES has wings (except Eastern Dragons, and Spirits, of course), the WINGS must be the mechanism of their FLIGHT. Otherwise, I want my Human Adept to have the ability to fly. I have magic afterall....

It is like all Metavariants and other wierdness. If the magic goes away, they are still there. Just because it took a higher Mana Expression to have them come into being does not mean that they go away when the magic does. Otherwise the easiest way to kill a troll would be to put it in a Mana Void. That does not work.
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post Apr 7 2011, 02:23 PM
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Also a good point. "ROUND TWO"...."FIGHT"!!!
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 7 2011, 10:22 AM) *
Since it is not RELIANT upon the magic to function

It has been pointed out and quoted several times that Pixie flight is based on magic manipulation. That's RAW.

Just because it's not a power doesn't mean it's not magic-based.



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Psh. That logic is just silly, man. Even *without* the clear counterexamples provided for me.
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Since EVERY creature that FLIES has wings (except Eastern Dragons, and Spirits, of course), the WINGS must be the mechanism of their FLIGHT.
And I was teasing about the pixie surviving 0 Magic; I just hate the buggers.
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post Apr 7 2011, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 7 2011, 08:05 AM) *
Well, "Flight" isn't a "power" for any creature or spirit.

It's always listed as a movement mode.

I was looking to see how I could give Flight to an Ally spirit, but by strict RAW, I cannot.


-k


I don't know... If you base your Ally upon a Spirit that already flies, maybe it will retain that ability? Probably not, but it is a thought... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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