If anything, it would have to go red from lining to process fasta ^^

Throwing Adepts can be a LOT of fun to play. Just not the monstrosities that are generally seen here. The Ninja Throwing Adept that I have is tons of fun, but that is because he is effective, even withouth the Adept powers that he has.

Just Sayin' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein
By RAW it does not count against the max, because the max is for strengh and not for effectiv strength.

Someone on the offcial boar just posted an idea for a troll throwing adept throwing mortar rounds . .

Prove it... Give me a Quote... I mean really, if you use that argument, then Muscle Augmentation does not affect Strength Maximums, because it is only effective strength, because it is not natural. Hell, you could apply that logic to ANY Attribute augmentation using that logic. Which is why I call BS.

Effective Strength IS Strength. For all intents and purposes you have a Higher STRENGTH for throwing things. That Strength CANNOT EXCEED your Augmented Maximum. You cannot go above that.

That is Entertaining. Not that I would allow that, mind you, but it is entertaining.

Why not?
He is, in effect, just throwing Bigger Impact Detonator Grenades *snickers* ^^

This is true. Cannot argue that. For me, however, it is ludicrous. I also do not allow the throwing of Grenades for Impact Damage, followed by Detonation Damage. Again, it is WAY to Pink Mohawk for me.

Were I playing that kind of character, I'd be doing it just so I don't have to lug the launcher around. I wouldn't even ask about the impact damage as I just hit the target with a fraggin' mortar. I mean really, why worry about a few stun or physical when it takes an HE mortar round to the face?

just because you can? ^^
also, the nicest thing about using them as throwing weapons like this?
NO SCATTER!

Yes, the lack of scatter Would be a great bonus. Except that you are wrong about that. Thrown explosive devices still have scatter. See the rules for Grenades. I know, it does not make sense for a Greande (or Mortar Round, or tank round or whatever) to have scatter, and a thrown knife/shuriken/ball-beraing/etc. to not have it, but there you go.

Maybe, but if you allow the projectile to deal the damage from being thrown at the target, it has to have directly HIT the target. Thus, NO SCATTER.

I agree... But that is where you and I are in disagreement. I would not allow the use of explosive ordnance as directed thrown attacks. You would use the grenade rules. Which have Scatter...

http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=3608.0
why would you not allow this? ^^

You could throw it... Never said you could not. What I said was that you would use the Grenade Scatter Rules for such things. I would not allow "Direct Fire" throwing for something like this. If it will explode after contact, or whatever, It will use the Grenade Scatter Rules. If it acts like a Bullet, then you get to use "Direct Fire" methods. You get to choose whichever works for you, but you will not get both in one fell swoop.

OK so . . i take projectile a here, which has about the form of a foot ball . . and weights in at about 1kilo . . and now i throw it at . . that damn elf over there . . so i use the thrown weapon projectile rules . .
Now i . . i take projectile b here, which has about the form of a foot ball . . and weights in at about 1 kilo . . but is filled with da splosives and an impact detonator . . and now i throw it at . . that damn elf over there . . and now i use the rules for grenades with scatter . . why exactly?
I aim to hit him with my thrown weapons skill O.o
explain please, i don't get it ._.

A... Yes.
B... Yes.

Because that is what the rules say to do. Explosives have scatter. Thus you use the Grenade Scatter Rules.
You Aim to hit the Elf with a Normal Grenade (which also weighs in at about a kilo ro so) with your Thrown Weapons Skill too; and yet you have scatter rules for such things. I am only using the rules already in place.

I Did not say that it made sense, just that I was using the rules that were already in place. It is far easier than trying to come up with either a whole new combat system based in reality (boring) or houseruling it into oblivion (tedious). And it is simple to easily classify which in-place rule to use. If it is non-Explosive, you Have No Scatter. If it is Explosive, You have scatter equal to the Grenade Scatter Rules. Simple and Easy.

I know you do not agree with that. There are a lot of combat rules I do not agree with myself. But you know what. They are simple and easy to implement, and they do not have a Thousand Exeptions, like a system based upon real life would. All in all, I am very happy with the combat system in Shadowrun. Even with its quirks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Welcome to Scatter Doesn't Make Any God Damn Sense.
(This is right up there with rockets having an average scatter of twice its blast radius)

Again, I agree... But I believe that the Scatter rules were implemented to, ultimately, save PC's lives. Realistically, using what would truly be there, you would likely die if hit by grenades/rockets/missiles. Makes for a bery boring game with high lethality. They toned down the immediately lethal stuiff to make it not quite so lethal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Experiencially (is that a word?), I can attest to Grenade/Rocket/Missile Scatter being Minimal, at best. On those few occassions that I missed, it was by a very small margin. And generally because I had under/overestimated its range, not because of left/right deviation.

Maybe a scatter die should be used for any thrown attack.

Thrown Attacks are generally pretty spot on, otherwise most of our sports would really suck to watch. It is not a problem with the Thrown attacks at their core, it is a problem with how they differentiated Thrown Attacks between Direct, and Indirect types of effect. Unfortunately, Explosive Ordnance is treated as Indirect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Airbursting, or no?

A better way to solve this issue is that people who have specialized in throwing grenades or have something like Missile Mastery could ignore scatter.

Weapon Scatter is a bit unrealistic, but it makes gameplay interesting.

In what way? During My tenure in the Corps, I had no access to airbursting ordnance. I understand that there are some that are now available to ground troops. Remember, in game, all airbursting does is to reduce Scatter. It does not negate it directly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The problem is that it then removes the balancing factor of explosive ordnance. Unrealistic though it may be, Scatter keeps the Characters alive. Believe me, it is no fun when you are told that "you see a great white light" and are then forced to create a new character because the one you were playing just died from a rocket hit to his car. Whether he was aware/unaware of it prior to the actual impact. Is that real? Yes. Is that FUN? Not really.

The Scatter rules do indeed make the gameplay interesting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)