Puppeteering by implant, What would be required? |
Puppeteering by implant, What would be required? |
Jun 28 2011, 06:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,771 |
Hypothetically what would be required for a character in SR4 to be puppeteered by an implant?
Say... How much can Skillwires override a person's will? What kind of roles might a character have to make if say somehow skillwires were to be hacked? Simrig + Skillwires + Datafilter seems to be coming close to the basics. Would just need an implanted commlink or nexus to provide the control interface wouldn't you? |
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Jun 28 2011, 06:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 7-June 11 From: Virginia Beach, VA Member No.: 31,052 |
AFAIK, you only really need personasoft or memory hacking, though you could turn them into a biodrone with the proper implant.
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Jun 28 2011, 07:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 17-March 10 Member No.: 18,317 |
Did your read about "Charlie Wire" in "Vice"? If not, I definitely suggest that. Short: Some criminal genius who's infamous for puppeteering random people.
He seems to use a combination of skillwires, internal commlinks, cybereyes and various hallucinogenics. |
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Jun 28 2011, 07:11 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
RAW, you can't do it at all.
A human Stirrup Interface (or other biodrone things), if allowed, would probably allow puppeteering. GM-approval could allow skillwires to do some things approaching this, but it's more like 'you try to shoot X and shoot Y instead'. Cyberlimb hacking could also be allowed (GM approval) to do crude things, though arguably *not* anything complex like shooting other people. Personafix really is masking/replacing the resident personality, so that would work in some ways. Certain kinds of AR software could function (in a manner similar to the Orientation Goad/biodrone stuff) to let you 'trick' the subject into doing what you want. This is the basic 'friends look like steaks when you're hungry' trick. |
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Jun 28 2011, 11:33 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
There aren't any clear rules on how to do this, but on the other hand, Bunraku are a long-established part of the setting. So I suggest looking to see how that is done; I think it's a BTL/Skillwire combo.
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Jun 28 2011, 11:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 9-May 08 Member No.: 15,965 |
Seems like fluff from Neuromancer that went....... Yup.
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Jun 28 2011, 11:57 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's just straight Personafix, p259.
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Jun 29 2011, 08:10 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
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Jun 29 2011, 11:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 11-April 03 From: Maine Member No.: 4,431 |
If the target to to pupetted had the right cyber I'd probably make it a rigging test on the part of the controller. Probably the Pilot Anthromorph skill, with the Willpower of the puppet being a penalty to the test.
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Jun 29 2011, 11:37 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
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Jun 29 2011, 01:38 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Datafilter, yeah. Personafix does the work, datafilter just ensures they don't remember. No rigging, though, or even direct control.
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Jun 29 2011, 01:40 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
it's easy
Restricted Gear - Stirrup Interface Sim Module Stirrup Interface Cyberears Cybereyes Commlink Activate Sim module and put your subject in a dreamstate and remote control your puppet. All gear van also be bought second hand (-20% cost). Used ware is +1 availability so the stirrup rating 1 goes up to availability 16 - still below 20. |
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Jun 29 2011, 01:43 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
Except the Stirrup Interface only works on animals.
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Jun 29 2011, 02:01 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's like people don't read the thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jun 29 2011, 02:13 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
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Jun 29 2011, 02:17 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Officially yes. You can be damn sure that all the corps that have any interest in cybernetics and/or biodrones have prototyped it for metahuman use. Hell, it would be the perfect prisoner punishment... Maybe, but Personafixing a prisoner is just so much cheaper... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jun 29 2011, 02:45 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
Officially yes. You can be damn sure that all the corps that have any interest in cybernetics and/or biodrones have prototyped it for metahuman use. Hell, it would be the perfect prisoner punishment... Sure, black project prototypes, but nothing in the "catalog" of RAW-functional stuff yet. Rigging people is supposed to be on the "just over the horizon" edge of SOTA - we're getting close, but it's not there yet. The Personafix route is really quite different; you're manipulating who someone thinks they are, what they see and want. But they are in charge of their bodies, just not so much in charge of their minds. It's definitely not rigging-style control; you need to manipulate their feelings and perceptions to guide them. |
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Jun 29 2011, 02:53 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
The Personafix route is really quite different; you're manipulating who someone thinks they are, what they see and want. But they are in charge of their bodies, just not so much in charge of their minds. It's definitely not rigging-style control; you need to manipulate their feelings and perceptions to guide them. True, but making them into someone who [thinks he] is a productive member of society would not be all that hard to do. |
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Jun 29 2011, 03:19 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
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Jun 29 2011, 03:33 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
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Jun 29 2011, 04:00 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
that would be more in the realm of a psychotropic IC. Tho mostly because you want the effect to be there even when the BTL is not plugged in.
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Jun 29 2011, 05:06 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
that would be more in the realm of a psychotropic IC. Tho mostly because you want the effect to be there even when the BTL is not plugged in. Depending on your particular style of perversity, of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It's a shame they didn't explore rules for BTLs and Personafixes the way they did with drugs.. would have been easy to use those same style mechanics. For example, a Personafix with high self-confidence, that you can slot if you have a job interview that you don't want to screw up by being nervous. Or if you need to stare down the Yakuza boss without flinching. |
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Jun 29 2011, 05:31 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
The Former Bunraku Joytoy looks like a more viable background all the time... If there were rules.
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Jun 29 2011, 05:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,771 |
Maybe, but Personafixing a prisoner is just so much cheaper... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) For now... |
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Jun 29 2011, 05:49 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Maybe, but Personafixing a prisoner is just so much cheaper... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Haven't seen "A Clockwork Orange", have you? It's cheaper, but does it actually work?
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